| Leicester fans are a strange old bunch aren't they on 10:28 - Sep 25 with 3848 views | Europablue |
When we lost to whoever we lost to in the cup this season, I didn't really care. Certainly not last season when it was supposedly our worst cup result in our history. It's frankly stupid to judge your team based on the second string playing against a lower league club.
It felt like the Southampton fans were ready to turn on Martin and the team on Saturday, that was only counteracted by the early goal they scored against the run of play.
Looking at these two sets of fans, yes I appreciate that a relegation season can be traumatic, but they are certainly losing their team points and maybe even their Premier League status.
From my perspective it seems like Leicester have been annoyingly good and picked up some good points. Even Southampton didn't look so bad that they would be cut adrift.
Last season it was actually exciting when we would go a goal down and the supporters would get even more behind the players. Leicester had a lot of wins by small margins and in both games against us they should have built on their slender lead, but we pegged them back both times with a bit of grit. Both Leicester and Southampton were a level higher than us when we played them, but we still drew both against Leicester and won both against Southampton. With our recruitment, we have definitely closed the gap on both.
It's going to be a close season, but the togetherness of our entire club and fanbase gives us a huge advantage. |  | |  |
| Would ITFC fans be happy with an ex Norwich manager? on 10:32 - Sep 25 with 3826 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
I know we had Lambert, be he'd left Norwich 6-7 years earlier.
I think taking a manager straight from Forest was always going to be problematic if they didn't get off to a great start. |  |
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| Would ITFC fans be happy with an ex Norwich manager? on 10:35 - Sep 25 with 3799 views | baxterbasics |
| Would ITFC fans be happy with an ex Norwich manager? on 10:32 - Sep 25 by Marshalls_Mullet |
I know we had Lambert, be he'd left Norwich 6-7 years earlier.
I think taking a manager straight from Forest was always going to be problematic if they didn't get off to a great start. |
Did Royle get a bit of grief initially for his ex-Norwich credentials, or am I misremembering? |  |
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| Would ITFC fans be happy with an ex Norwich manager? on 10:41 - Sep 25 with 3770 views | kizaitfc |
| Would ITFC fans be happy with an ex Norwich manager? on 10:32 - Sep 25 by Marshalls_Mullet |
I know we had Lambert, be he'd left Norwich 6-7 years earlier.
I think taking a manager straight from Forest was always going to be problematic if they didn't get off to a great start. |
Must be a nightmare for these midland teams, so many neighbouring football clubs that it can seen as problematic to sign ex players/managers.
At least we just have one to worry about, and after the last couple of players/ managers we took from there I'd be happy to leave well alone going forwards. | |
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| Would ITFC fans be happy with an ex Norwich manager? on 10:52 - Sep 25 with 3684 views | Whos_blue |
| Would ITFC fans be happy with an ex Norwich manager? on 10:35 - Sep 25 by baxterbasics |
Did Royle get a bit of grief initially for his ex-Norwich credentials, or am I misremembering? |
He did.
"You can shove your big fat Joe up your ar5e" was one of the chants when the rumours he was joining started to circulate.
Edit: Now I think of it, I think it actually prompted him comment on it. Something like "I don't know what I've done to upset them" [Post edited 25 Sep 2024 10:58]
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| Would ITFC fans be happy with an ex Norwich manager? on 10:54 - Sep 25 with 3659 views | Stu_boy |
| Would ITFC fans be happy with an ex Norwich manager? on 10:35 - Sep 25 by baxterbasics |
Did Royle get a bit of grief initially for his ex-Norwich credentials, or am I misremembering? |
I honestly don't remember jr getting any stick from the fans. From memory the one who was taking all the stick at the time was marshall and matt richards seemed to get some i recall | | | |
| Would ITFC fans be happy with an ex Norwich manager? on 11:07 - Sep 25 with 3570 views | Steve_M |
| Would ITFC fans be happy with an ex Norwich manager? on 10:35 - Sep 25 by baxterbasics |
Did Royle get a bit of grief initially for his ex-Norwich credentials, or am I misremembering? |
Nothing to do with Norwich but many weren't keen (and signed Vesty's infamous list) after his management of Man City over the previous two seasons and perceived style of football. |  |
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| Would ITFC fans be happy with an ex Norwich manager? on 11:17 - Sep 25 with 3491 views | baxterbasics |
| Would ITFC fans be happy with an ex Norwich manager? on 11:07 - Sep 25 by Steve_M |
Nothing to do with Norwich but many weren't keen (and signed Vesty's infamous list) after his management of Man City over the previous two seasons and perceived style of football. |
Turns out that he was the best of the bunch between Burley and McKenna though, can't be many would disagree? Steadied the ship and kept us competitive in difficult conditions. Scoring bucket-loads of goals, getting career bests out of the likes of Shefki, Miller, Westlake, and others. | |
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| Would ITFC fans be happy with an ex Norwich manager? on 11:29 - Sep 25 with 3422 views | Stu_boy |
| Would ITFC fans be happy with an ex Norwich manager? on 11:17 - Sep 25 by baxterbasics |
Turns out that he was the best of the bunch between Burley and McKenna though, can't be many would disagree? Steadied the ship and kept us competitive in difficult conditions. Scoring bucket-loads of goals, getting career bests out of the likes of Shefki, Miller, Westlake, and others. |
Has to be a choice between jr and mm i'd say jim would probably fall just below them | | | |
| Would ITFC fans be happy with an ex Norwich manager? on 11:38 - Sep 25 with 3355 views | Europablue |
| Would ITFC fans be happy with an ex Norwich manager? on 10:32 - Sep 25 by Marshalls_Mullet |
I know we had Lambert, be he'd left Norwich 6-7 years earlier.
I think taking a manager straight from Forest was always going to be problematic if they didn't get off to a great start. |
I would have rather had him 6 years earlier when he was a better manager in comparison to his peers, but preferably, it would have been better to have gone nowhere near him. | | | |
| Would ITFC fans be happy with an ex Norwich manager? on 11:39 - Sep 25 with 3351 views | homer_123 |
| Would ITFC fans be happy with an ex Norwich manager? on 11:07 - Sep 25 by Steve_M |
Nothing to do with Norwich but many weren't keen (and signed Vesty's infamous list) after his management of Man City over the previous two seasons and perceived style of football. |
"...perceived style of football."
Oddly, KM and JR are more closely aligned, ultimately, in their football view than a fair number of managers we have had in recent years.
Joe was clear, partly due to what he had at his disposal but it was 'We'll score 1 more than you.'. It certainly wasn't dull, in fact it was bloody good to watch at times.
Kieran, whilst taking a different route, isn't that far away in the way he gets us to play. The focus is on scoring goals and he backs us to score more with his style of football than the opposition. I would say that it was true in L1 and the Championship but at the moment, I feel he has us playing a little more circumspect in the Prem as we find our feet. |  |
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| Would ITFC fans be happy with an ex Norwich manager? on 11:44 - Sep 25 with 3310 views | Steve_M |
| Would ITFC fans be happy with an ex Norwich manager? on 11:39 - Sep 25 by homer_123 |
"...perceived style of football."
Oddly, KM and JR are more closely aligned, ultimately, in their football view than a fair number of managers we have had in recent years.
Joe was clear, partly due to what he had at his disposal but it was 'We'll score 1 more than you.'. It certainly wasn't dull, in fact it was bloody good to watch at times.
Kieran, whilst taking a different route, isn't that far away in the way he gets us to play. The focus is on scoring goals and he backs us to score more with his style of football than the opposition. I would say that it was true in L1 and the Championship but at the moment, I feel he has us playing a little more circumspect in the Prem as we find our feet. |
Not convinced by that point but I'll think about it; there's certainly not much comparable in the approach of McK and Toyle though, one is about intense detail whereas Royle was very old school even in 2002.
The most consciously direct Ipswich team I've seen was Royle's in 04-05, we were so wedded to hitting Bent and Kuqi with the ball over the top and then playing we couldn't cope when Kuqi was injured.
It was generally enjoyable to watch but probably should have seen us get promoted with the players we had, not being able to sign loads of players should have been far less of an issue when he inherited the best squad of any manager other than Bobby Ferguson. | |
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| Would ITFC fans be happy with an ex Norwich manager? on 11:59 - Sep 25 with 3232 views | pointofblue |
| Would ITFC fans be happy with an ex Norwich manager? on 11:29 - Sep 25 by Stu_boy |
Has to be a choice between jr and mm i'd say jim would probably fall just below them |
Think the post Burley era for me is:
McKenna
Royle
McCarthy
Magilton
Cook
Jewell
Keane
Lambert
Hurst
But the gap between the top four and bottom five is sizeable. | |
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| Would ITFC fans be happy with an ex Norwich manager? on 12:14 - Sep 25 with 3159 views | Stu_boy |
| Would ITFC fans be happy with an ex Norwich manager? on 11:59 - Sep 25 by pointofblue |
Think the post Burley era for me is:
McKenna
Royle
McCarthy
Magilton
Cook
Jewell
Keane
Lambert
Hurst
But the gap between the top four and bottom five is sizeable. |
Agree with the top 4, results wise, think there is an argument to put keane above cook
Perhaps a tad bit harsh on cook but he actually performed worse with lamberts squad than lambert which probably isn't a big surprise given cooks man management of that initial squad so think cook could be just above ph | | | |
| Would ITFC fans be happy with an ex Norwich manager? on 12:30 - Sep 25 with 3095 views | homer_123 |
| Would ITFC fans be happy with an ex Norwich manager? on 11:44 - Sep 25 by Steve_M |
Not convinced by that point but I'll think about it; there's certainly not much comparable in the approach of McK and Toyle though, one is about intense detail whereas Royle was very old school even in 2002.
The most consciously direct Ipswich team I've seen was Royle's in 04-05, we were so wedded to hitting Bent and Kuqi with the ball over the top and then playing we couldn't cope when Kuqi was injured.
It was generally enjoyable to watch but probably should have seen us get promoted with the players we had, not being able to sign loads of players should have been far less of an issue when he inherited the best squad of any manager other than Bobby Ferguson. |
Very different approaches indeed Steve but ultimately in L1 and the Championship - KM was happy for us to go at teams in the knowledge that we created enough quality scoring chances to negate goals me might concede.
The same but different way of approaching 'We'll score 1 more than you!' | |
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| Would ITFC fans be happy with an ex Norwich manager? on 12:34 - Sep 25 with 3065 views | SE1blue |
| Would ITFC fans be happy with an ex Norwich manager? on 12:14 - Sep 25 by Stu_boy |
Agree with the top 4, results wise, think there is an argument to put keane above cook
Perhaps a tad bit harsh on cook but he actually performed worse with lamberts squad than lambert which probably isn't a big surprise given cooks man management of that initial squad so think cook could be just above ph |
Cook also employed Peter Reid as a consultant, which is a bit like hiring Arthur Fowler for relationship advice. |  |
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| Would ITFC fans be happy with an ex Norwich manager? on 13:23 - Sep 25 with 2854 views | Europablue |
| Would ITFC fans be happy with an ex Norwich manager? on 12:14 - Sep 25 by Stu_boy |
Agree with the top 4, results wise, think there is an argument to put keane above cook
Perhaps a tad bit harsh on cook but he actually performed worse with lamberts squad than lambert which probably isn't a big surprise given cooks man management of that initial squad so think cook could be just above ph |
I think you need to factor in the personality and their legacy. Keane was such a disaster that people refer to him as the Dark Lord. He alienated a lot of our players. Cook's one saving grace is recruitment. Although it was hit and miss, he still brought in some of the very best players we have had in the past two seasons. Paul Hirst deserves a bit of love for how mercifully short his reign was. Paul Lambert is much worse in my mind especially as he underperformed in the league below. | | | |
| Would ITFC fans be happy with an ex Norwich manager? on 15:04 - Sep 25 with 2526 views | davblue |
| Would ITFC fans be happy with an ex Norwich manager? on 12:30 - Sep 25 by homer_123 |
Very different approaches indeed Steve but ultimately in L1 and the Championship - KM was happy for us to go at teams in the knowledge that we created enough quality scoring chances to negate goals me might concede.
The same but different way of approaching 'We'll score 1 more than you!' |
we were far more controlled in league 1 with the ball. We started on the path to being a transition team from Valentines day 23.
Last season we were very attack minded early doors but we did reign it a bit after that. |  | | |
| Would ITFC fans be happy with an ex Norwich manager? on 15:09 - Sep 25 with 2485 views | davblue |
| Would ITFC fans be happy with an ex Norwich manager? on 11:59 - Sep 25 by pointofblue |
Think the post Burley era for me is:
McKenna
Royle
McCarthy
Magilton
Cook
Jewell
Keane
Lambert
Hurst
But the gap between the top four and bottom five is sizeable. |
i would put Mick above Royle not on style of football but the overall job he done.
Royle had a better team for the most part (i know he had to sell some) and Mick had to deal with the financial gap to other sides in the championship who had benefited from prem money which is much larger than Royle had to deal with. | | | |
| Would ITFC fans be happy with an ex Norwich manager? on 22:16 - Sep 25 with 2087 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Would ITFC fans be happy with an ex Norwich manager? on 11:17 - Sep 25 by baxterbasics |
Turns out that he was the best of the bunch between Burley and McKenna though, can't be many would disagree? Steadied the ship and kept us competitive in difficult conditions. Scoring bucket-loads of goals, getting career bests out of the likes of Shefki, Miller, Westlake, and others. |
It was entertaining but it was also the best chance we had of getting back up again and he didn't get us there. Him or McCarthy had to the best but for entertainment value Royle wins hands down. Royle had a better squad to work with, though. If any of the later managers had taken the "we'll simply outscore you" approach it would have been a more rapid descent than we ended up with. |  |
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| Would ITFC fans be happy with an ex Norwich manager? on 07:17 - Sep 26 with 1891 views | Churchman |
| Would ITFC fans be happy with an ex Norwich manager? on 15:09 - Sep 25 by davblue |
i would put Mick above Royle not on style of football but the overall job he done.
Royle had a better team for the most part (i know he had to sell some) and Mick had to deal with the financial gap to other sides in the championship who had benefited from prem money which is much larger than Royle had to deal with. |
Royle was a better manager than McCarthy for me. Both in how his teams played and his track record as a manager.
When he came here, there was suspicion about him not because of his Norwich connections but because of perceived arrogance as Man City manager. However, that didn’t last and I think he was by and large well regarded.
People appreciated the job he’d been handed. Any player that could be sold was. He had no money and that is where the similarity with Mick is.
Royle built a good, entertaining team with pretty much nothing. It basically pivoted around Bent, Kuqi and Miller’s midfield threat. As an overall team though, it was nowhere near as good as McKenna’s team or Lyall’s in 92. However, I don’t think he under achieved with those play off seasons. I think he over achieved getting us close with what was happening at the club.
Joe came to us a year or two too late in his career, bit like Lyall. He looked tired at the end and it was no surprise in the circumstances that he called it a day.
He will never be in my top Ipswich manager cadre, but he gets plenty of respect from me for the job he did here. |  | | |
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