| The Dark Arts 15:04 - Sep 30 with 3378 views | JohnDeereBoys |
Having watched all matches now in person, I have to say I think we are too honest. To survive in this league we need alll the help we can get. Players need to start going down easier, everyone else is at it so we need to adjust. Leif and Delap too strong, over the course of the season I think they could get some points for us by going down. What do you think? |  | | |  |
| The Dark Arts on 16:08 - Sep 30 with 3161 views | Churchman |
I hope we stay honest. A proper team. But you make a good point.
Having seen it live I watched it back this afternoon. Villa had the ref pretty much in their pocket. The pleading, rolling chasing the ref to get players booked, in the ear, swinging elbows, keeper dropping it, clearing it taking a look and going down for five mins to take the sting out of it for half time. Rogers fouling continually and pointing at others.
Hulking great blokes going down with merest touches. The ref swallowed the lot and that’s why Morsy was booked for an innocuous challenge. The plan nearly worked because he was lucky not to be sent off.
The funniest was that poor man’s Clarke Philogene who ran into the back of Leif (what a game he had) and fell down. Exactly where Davis was supposed to go without a rocket pack, I’m really not sure. |  | | |
| The Dark Arts on 16:41 - Sep 30 with 3047 views | burnbudgiesburn |
Let's be honest here. We have a team including Sam Morsy who is one of the best dark arts performers out there.
Leif is also not adverse to falling down when touched. | | | |
| The Dark Arts on 16:44 - Sep 30 with 3034 views | _clive_baker_ |
I don't think Morsy and Phillips lack the housery necessary for the Premier League, Delap too to be fair. Said it in another thread yesterday that was critical of Villa's players, but I think we give as good as we get in hitting the deck. A fair few occasions I can recall already this season of Omari, Szmodics, Phillips buying some pretty cheap freekicks of refs. |  | | |
| The Dark Arts on 16:48 - Sep 30 with 2994 views | Oldsmoker |
Are you saying we need to employ a coach/Master of the Dark Arts?
This is ITFC not bleedin' 'Ogwarts.
... but I get your point and that might be a good idea. |  |
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| The Dark Arts on 16:49 - Sep 30 with 2987 views | LankHenners |
| The Dark Arts on 16:44 - Sep 30 by _clive_baker_ |
I don't think Morsy and Phillips lack the housery necessary for the Premier League, Delap too to be fair. Said it in another thread yesterday that was critical of Villa's players, but I think we give as good as we get in hitting the deck. A fair few occasions I can recall already this season of Omari, Szmodics, Phillips buying some pretty cheap freekicks of refs. |
Thought that was one of the (many) things Phillips did really well yesterday - quite a few occasions where he got himself between man and ball and allowed his opponent's momentum to knock him to the ground. Always think those sorts of instances look cheap as you know what the fouled player is doing but they're always given and it stops the opposition getting any headway and gives you a chance to get back into shape and go again.
As you say Delap's not afraid to give a CB a big barge off the ball which is great imo. [Post edited 30 Sep 2024 16:49]
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| The Dark Arts on 16:54 - Sep 30 with 2932 views | _clive_baker_ |
| The Dark Arts on 16:49 - Sep 30 by LankHenners |
Thought that was one of the (many) things Phillips did really well yesterday - quite a few occasions where he got himself between man and ball and allowed his opponent's momentum to knock him to the ground. Always think those sorts of instances look cheap as you know what the fouled player is doing but they're always given and it stops the opposition getting any headway and gives you a chance to get back into shape and go again.
As you say Delap's not afraid to give a CB a big barge off the ball which is great imo. [Post edited 30 Sep 2024 16:49]
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100%. Its a case of being streetwise, relieving pressure, retaining our shape, killing the game a bit. Its a massive part of the game in knowing when and how to do it, those little injury breaks when the momentum is going against you etc. Its one of the most impressive things about us under McKenna how we manage games and have multiple leaders on the pitch and probably the single biggest frustration I had under Lambert. We were so naive at times especially with that side of things, lazy tackles, ill discipline, so so frustrating to watch. We had to be up there among the wettest, meekest sides in L1 for a while. Its all very well having supposed good players like Dozzell but we got bullied far too often and never did the 'dark arts' well at all. | | | |
| The Dark Arts on 17:03 - Sep 30 with 2886 views | Blue_In_Boston |
More rose-tinted glasses. Having watched all of our games live on TV this season I don't feel that we have been hard done to. Soft fouls are given these days, I've never thought for a moment that we are not getting our share of decisions (bar penalty appeal at City, but that's VAR). | | | |
| The Dark Arts on 17:08 - Sep 30 with 2803 views | ArnieM |
| The Dark Arts on 17:03 - Sep 30 by Blue_In_Boston |
More rose-tinted glasses. Having watched all of our games live on TV this season I don't feel that we have been hard done to. Soft fouls are given these days, I've never thought for a moment that we are not getting our share of decisions (bar penalty appeal at City, but that's VAR). |
The biggest difference is, our players get booked. The opposition don't! |  |
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| The Dark Arts on 17:20 - Sep 30 with 2725 views | flykickingbybgunn |
| The Dark Arts on 16:48 - Sep 30 by Oldsmoker |
Are you saying we need to employ a coach/Master of the Dark Arts?
This is ITFC not bleedin' 'Ogwarts.
... but I get your point and that might be a good idea. |
Can I suggest we approach Grant Holt for advice on how to fall over convincingly without any contact. |  | | |
| The Dark Arts on 17:26 - Sep 30 with 2684 views | Oldsmoker |
| The Dark Arts on 17:20 - Sep 30 by flykickingbybgunn |
Can I suggest we approach Grant Holt for advice on how to fall over convincingly without any contact. |
Not sure.
I don't recall Grant rolling 4 times when simulating.
4 times is a minimum to get a card given. | |
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| The Dark Arts on 17:40 - Sep 30 with 2644 views | flykickingbybgunn |
| The Dark Arts on 17:26 - Sep 30 by Oldsmoker |
Not sure.
I don't recall Grant rolling 4 times when simulating.
4 times is a minimum to get a card given. |
But I do remember him going down as if he was pole axed when nobody was within a foot of him. | | | |
| The Dark Arts on 09:16 - Oct 2 with 2250 views | Blue_In_Boston |
| The Dark Arts on 17:08 - Sep 30 by ArnieM |
The biggest difference is, our players get booked. The opposition don't! |
We could have been down to 10 men on two occasions. Burns v Liverpool opening day and Morsy on Sunday so can't agree with that. | | | |
| The Dark Arts on 10:29 - Oct 2 with 2050 views | yesjohn99 |
| The Dark Arts on 16:41 - Sep 30 by burnbudgiesburn |
Let's be honest here. We have a team including Sam Morsy who is one of the best dark arts performers out there.
Leif is also not adverse to falling down when touched. |
Wes Burns also very good at falling down. | | | |
| The Dark Arts on 10:47 - Oct 2 with 1978 views | BloomBlue |
Phillips is brilliant at it. One example in the Villa game, he was tackled and was struggling to get the ball again and he realised it would put Town in a bad position. Cleverly stuck his bottom out into the Villa player, giving the impression it was a foul, and ref blew for a foul. It was never a foul, everyone around me looked and smiled, we all knew it's was Phillips using the dark arts to get a foul. |  | | |
| The Dark Arts on 13:05 - Oct 2 with 1835 views | Sharkey |
Last season Mckenna seemed to manage to call a team meeting about halfway through the first half in almost every game. That took some dark artistry. |  | | |
| The Dark Arts on 13:19 - Oct 2 with 1765 views | GeoffSentence |
It's been the same over the last few years, but I think it is a deliberate choice which we have benefited from.
Watching over the last few seasons I have noted that there have been many occasions where players could have gone down, or indeed have gone down under a foul but the rest of the team have just carried on. Keeping the ball live and an attack going can often be very productive, more so than stopping, allowing the opposition to regroup, and take a set piece.
By and large I think that we don't look for fouls but that it is a tactical decision that has born results. I am yet to decide if it is still the best approach at this level. |  |
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| The Dark Arts on 13:38 - Oct 2 with 1709 views | BLUEBEAT |
The Cobbold hierarchy were disciples of the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn. |  |
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| The Dark Arts on 13:43 - Oct 2 with 1670 views | Parky |
| The Dark Arts on 13:05 - Oct 2 by Sharkey |
Last season Mckenna seemed to manage to call a team meeting about halfway through the first half in almost every game. That took some dark artistry. |
Southampton done that to us the other week, it really knocked our momentum when we were on top.
I’m sure we’ll do it again when needed, usually Omari going down midway through the first half so the whole team can go to McKenna. | | | |
| The Dark Arts on 13:45 - Oct 2 with 1659 views | Vaughan8 |
I noticed in the first half especially, Phillips just fell down a few times to relieve pressure. he's got the knowhow. | | | |
| The Dark Arts on 14:13 - Oct 2 with 1603 views | N2_Blue |
| The Dark Arts on 16:41 - Sep 30 by burnbudgiesburn |
Let's be honest here. We have a team including Sam Morsy who is one of the best dark arts performers out there.
Leif is also not adverse to falling down when touched. |
Indeed if never ceases how biased our fans are. They only ever seem to see what the oppo do and not what we do with regards to dark arts. Morsy is a nuisance but I love him for iit.
Against villa very late on, Delap went down holding is head on half way in front of dug outs. It took some sting out of a passage of play where villa had had the ball and allowed McKenna to bring on two subs. There was clearly nothing wrong with Liam but he did want he needed to and wouldn’t have surprised me if the instruction came from the dugout considering how close it was.
Plenty of our players bought an easy free kick v Villa. I don’t think we are soft touch anymore at all. |  |
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| The Dark Arts on 15:10 - Oct 2 with 1480 views | Sharkey |
| The Dark Arts on 14:13 - Oct 2 by N2_Blue |
Indeed if never ceases how biased our fans are. They only ever seem to see what the oppo do and not what we do with regards to dark arts. Morsy is a nuisance but I love him for iit.
Against villa very late on, Delap went down holding is head on half way in front of dug outs. It took some sting out of a passage of play where villa had had the ball and allowed McKenna to bring on two subs. There was clearly nothing wrong with Liam but he did want he needed to and wouldn’t have surprised me if the instruction came from the dugout considering how close it was.
Plenty of our players bought an easy free kick v Villa. I don’t think we are soft touch anymore at all. |
I do think players should be ashamed of this clutching-their-heads thing. The ref knows full well that 8 times out of 10 the player is exaggerating (to put it very very kindly) a blow to the head, but has no option because what if it IS a real concussion case?
I wish the PFA had more to say about it. They never seem to say anything about the good of the game, of the product being served up to the people who support the game. Those rules were introduced for the players' safety, to counter real threat to life. | | | |
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