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I'm sure most people would consider referring to Badenoch as a person who represents "White supremacy in a blackface", is deserving of having the whip removed for being racist.
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Dawn Butler race baiting Kemi Badenoch on 16:36 - Nov 4 with 1177 views
Dawn Butler race baiting Kemi Badenoch on 14:45 - Nov 4 by GlasgowBlue
Forget anti-state intervention, social security, maternity pay etc. All of which are domestic issues. Linking a black woman with Enoch Powell via a nickname is a racial slur.
The point seems to be totally lost on you.
It is lost on me I'm afraid and maybe I'm wrong about that. If she was white the play on words would still be there. And I don't see how her skin colour makes her views any more palatable. All the populists in the last government have something in common with Powell in that they're demonising immigrants and appealing to people's base instincts. Badenoch was part of that culture and shouldn't be excused because of her skin colour.
Dawn Butler race baiting Kemi Badenoch on 08:29 - Nov 4 by GlasgowBlue
It’s worth pointing out that despite the awful language used in the tweet that she shared, Dawn Butler herself is a person of colour. I’m not excusing the language used, as it encourages white people, who have no idea of KB’s lived experiences to aim similar language in her direction. It’s also worth pointing out that this is not the first time she’s aimed that sort of slur in the direction of Kemi Badenoch, and she did similar with Priti Patel, but it’s important to put DB’s own ethnicity into the context of what was shared on twitter.
It is completely different to a poster on here who called her “Bad Enoch” over the weekend, which is a racist slur, or a former poster who once called her an “Uncle Tom”. White people dont get to decide who is a race traitor. Dawn Butler’s use of this sort of language gives a green light to people who think it’s ok to be racist if the victim is a Tory.
Edit. The exchange I referred to above.
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"White people dont get to decide who is a race traitor." hmmmmmm. the concept of a 'race traitor' is about as dodgy as any concept can get. are there really rules for each race and some process to adjudicate on whether the rules are so badly broken as to make someone a 'traitor'? it's extremely silly language, and i wouldn't want to give any credence to it at all. the idea that badenoch has done something that someone else thinks that british black africans aren't supposed to do is just laughable.
And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show
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Dawn Butler race baiting Kemi Badenoch on 16:48 - Nov 4 with 1120 views
Dawn Butler race baiting Kemi Badenoch on 16:43 - Nov 4 by lowhouseblue
"White people dont get to decide who is a race traitor." hmmmmmm. the concept of a 'race traitor' is about as dodgy as any concept can get. are there really rules for each race and some process to adjudicate on whether the rules are so badly broken as to make someone a 'traitor'? it's extremely silly language, and i wouldn't want to give any credence to it at all. the idea that badenoch has done something that someone else thinks that british black africans aren't supposed to do is just laughable.
I don't disagree. Race traitor is the type language being used towards people like Badenoch who don't conform to the stereotype. Similar language was used against Kwasi Kwarteng when he became a member of Johnson's cabinet.
Dawn Butler race baiting Kemi Badenoch on 16:30 - Nov 4 by Swansea_Blue
"How can you just call "not all cultures are equally valid" thinly veiled racism?" Easy, it's because you should judge someone on their ability and not the stereotype of their culture. Not doing so is the very definition of racism.
if you placed an add for a job and put in a caveat that said no Americans, you'd rightly get pulled up on it. You can dislike the culture all you like, but you can't discriminate on the basis of it.
The point is a culture is not a race. America is a very good example. What race is America exactly, and how is someone being racist if they discriminate against a country with such a diverse racial make-up? So, no it is not the very definition of racism, it cultural discrimination. We use discrimination all the time as a short-hand. You wouldn't put out an ad saying no Americans, but you might favour an Indian candidate over an American candidate if you had different preconceptions. English culture should be the very best culture that the English people can imagine for the people who live in England, because we should adapt our culture. Other cultures should be seen as worse as a whole. Even if we admire a culture like the Japanese, we might say that their culture is too restrictive and prefer our own culture, but maybe just take on some positive aspects. We should be cultivating a culture that we think is superior.
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Dawn Butler race baiting Kemi Badenoch on 17:16 - Nov 4 with 1040 views
Dawn Butler race baiting Kemi Badenoch on 16:20 - Nov 4 by positivity
low iq is such a specific trump-ian insult that it's obvious dog whistle racism.
it may not be well-known in west german villages, but it has a specific meaning in right-wing discourse.
I gave you an upvote for your very specific reference.
The problem with dog whistles is that they are so difficult to hear when you are not listening for them and so easy to hear when you want to hear them.
You could easily argue that Trump saying low-IQ is dog whistling and you could easily argue that it's just his turn of phrase. If he was only using for black people, then I would tend to agree with you that it is a dog whistle, but then you would probably argue that he says it against white people to cover his use against black people.
Dog whistling is very personal, but we can't ban phrases like low-IQ. You and others who hear a dog whistle can just hold a poor opinion of anyone who uses the terms you don't like.
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Dawn Butler race baiting Kemi Badenoch on 17:28 - Nov 4 with 1009 views
Dawn Butler race baiting Kemi Badenoch on 17:16 - Nov 4 by Europablue
I gave you an upvote for your very specific reference.
The problem with dog whistles is that they are so difficult to hear when you are not listening for them and so easy to hear when you want to hear them.
You could easily argue that Trump saying low-IQ is dog whistling and you could easily argue that it's just his turn of phrase. If he was only using for black people, then I would tend to agree with you that it is a dog whistle, but then you would probably argue that he says it against white people to cover his use against black people.
Dog whistling is very personal, but we can't ban phrases like low-IQ. You and others who hear a dog whistle can just hold a poor opinion of anyone who uses the terms you don't like.
you can't ban it, but you can call it out, it's how language evolves.
with dog whistling, the user usually knows what they're talking about and their intended victim almost always knows, it just gives the user cover to be racist.
Dawn Butler race baiting Kemi Badenoch on 17:28 - Nov 4 by positivity
you can't ban it, but you can call it out, it's how language evolves.
with dog whistling, the user usually knows what they're talking about and their intended victim almost always knows, it just gives the user cover to be racist.
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At the same tome you will get a lot of people using the same phrase without that intention.
Dawn Butler race baiting Kemi Badenoch on 18:55 - Nov 4 by positivity
not many, and as with old people still using phrases which used to be "acceptable" in the '60s they need to be called out and informed.
if they know it causes offence only the genuinely unpleasant will continue to use them
Some people set in their ways won't appreciate being told that their way is not correct. It is also important who decides that things are not acceptable. There also has to be some logic to it and it not to be a thinly-veiled attempt at coercion. I absolutely cannot accept that "coloured person" is offensive and "person of colour" is not. They are the same thing.
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Dawn Butler race baiting Kemi Badenoch on 20:15 - Nov 4 with 852 views
While it wasn’t her who said it, you can see the intention behind her RT and it’s not acceptable.
It might have been normalised under the 2019 era Tories and those who split off to Reform, but as with antisemitism Starmer can’t ignore it. Mainly because Labour already have a massive body of rightwing media and talking heads picking apart everything real and imagined.
I’d expect an apology and a sanction for Butler and Starmer having to take hold of his party, as they are held to a much higher standard than the last lot.
Dawn Butler race baiting Kemi Badenoch on 20:15 - Nov 4 by Europablue
Some people set in their ways won't appreciate being told that their way is not correct. It is also important who decides that things are not acceptable. There also has to be some logic to it and it not to be a thinly-veiled attempt at coercion. I absolutely cannot accept that "coloured person" is offensive and "person of colour" is not. They are the same thing.
it's not about you, it's about the person being labelled. you always seem to think that it's your views that matter over everyone else's, it's tiresome.
it's not coercion, it's courtesy. my parents occasionally get things wrong, and me and my kids will pull them up on it, tell them why it's wrong, they'll explain their side and then try to mend their ways, because they care about people, and don't want to hurt anyone.
Dawn Butler race baiting Kemi Badenoch on 20:15 - Nov 4 by Europablue
Some people set in their ways won't appreciate being told that their way is not correct. It is also important who decides that things are not acceptable. There also has to be some logic to it and it not to be a thinly-veiled attempt at coercion. I absolutely cannot accept that "coloured person" is offensive and "person of colour" is not. They are the same thing.
“ Some people set in their ways won't appreciate being told that their way is not correct….. ….I absolutely cannot accept that "coloured person" is offensive and "person of colour" is not. “
Phil, as well as making TWTD themed draft excluders, you really need to cash in on all the broken Irony Meters.
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Dawn Butler race baiting Kemi Badenoch on 23:41 - Nov 4 with 699 views
Dawn Butler race baiting Kemi Badenoch on 22:53 - Nov 4 by positivity
it's not about you, it's about the person being labelled. you always seem to think that it's your views that matter over everyone else's, it's tiresome.
it's not coercion, it's courtesy. my parents occasionally get things wrong, and me and my kids will pull them up on it, tell them why it's wrong, they'll explain their side and then try to mend their ways, because they care about people, and don't want to hurt anyone.
it's very simple, just don't be a di*k
Your last sentence is the kicker. This bloke is a di*k. An absolute prize di*k who revels in being a di*k. They don't want to learn or do better. They don't want to be a decent human. They're just a pure di*k.
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Dawn Butler race baiting Kemi Badenoch on 00:05 - Nov 5 with 668 views
Dawn Butler race baiting Kemi Badenoch on 14:45 - Nov 4 by GlasgowBlue
Forget anti-state intervention, social security, maternity pay etc. All of which are domestic issues. Linking a black woman with Enoch Powell via a nickname is a racial slur.
The point seems to be totally lost on you.
No, it’s a play on words and like others have said there are similarities in their policies and Jenricks too, by the way and he’s white.
You’re so bloody sanctimonious GB
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Dawn Butler race baiting Kemi Badenoch on 00:55 - Nov 5 with 629 views
Dawn Butler race baiting Kemi Badenoch on 20:15 - Nov 4 by Europablue
Some people set in their ways won't appreciate being told that their way is not correct. It is also important who decides that things are not acceptable. There also has to be some logic to it and it not to be a thinly-veiled attempt at coercion. I absolutely cannot accept that "coloured person" is offensive and "person of colour" is not. They are the same thing.
To understand the difference would mean wanting to, but I can give you a lesson if you want.
Hint: phrases (and words) sometimes come with historical power (good and bad)
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