| AT LAST!! 20:11 - Nov 17 with 10387 views | bluejacko |
Let the ATACMs,Storm Shadow and Scalp flyđ
Biden has finally dropped the restrictions,late but nonetheless welcome!, |  | | |  |
| AT LAST!! on 16:17 - Nov 19 with 1425 views | bluejacko |
| AT LAST!! on 13:59 - Nov 19 by Cafe_Newman |
The quotes are inaccurate because you can't get some utterances and splice them together, put those bits between a set of inverted commas and call it a quote. Sorry. Even if he had said those words verbatim, I would question whether it was evidence of clear Russia policy or just an idiot mouthing off to a few people visiting a Peter the Great exhibition. There's quite a lot at stake here and people seem to be grasping at any justification to prolong enormous loss of love. There seems to be more hatred of Russian here than genuine love of innocent Ukrainian lives. I don't see much humanity on show here. |
I could point you in thr direction of the Jake Broe podcast (and others) on every other day, he regularly plays clips from Russian tv chat shows where they plainly are quoting Pootins propaganda!
I donât really think you are interested though are? No matter what anyone tells you you wriggle around till it suits your narrative! | | | |
| AT LAST!! on 17:29 - Nov 19 with 1354 views | Cafe_Newman |
| AT LAST!! on 16:17 - Nov 19 by bluejacko |
I could point you in thr direction of the Jake Broe podcast (and others) on every other day, he regularly plays clips from Russian tv chat shows where they plainly are quoting Pootins propaganda!
I donât really think you are interested though are? No matter what anyone tells you you wriggle around till it suits your narrative! |
On the contrary, I am very interested. Send me a link. I'm no more set in my beliefs than the next man, but you should recognise that changing your beliefs is a tricky process for anyone over 13 years old. |  | | |
| AT LAST!! on 17:36 - Nov 19 with 1353 views | redrickstuhaart |
| AT LAST!! on 17:29 - Nov 19 by Cafe_Newman |
On the contrary, I am very interested. Send me a link. I'm no more set in my beliefs than the next man, but you should recognise that changing your beliefs is a tricky process for anyone over 13 years old. |
I think that in the cause of being independently minded, you have become extremely resistant to clear facts. | | | |
| AT LAST!! on 17:55 - Nov 19 with 1323 views | Cafe_Newman |
| AT LAST!! on 14:08 - Nov 19 by The_Flashing_Smile |
He referenced it in regards to today.
What has been added to or removed from those quotes that changes the meaning?
Peace doesn't mean just giving into bullies and being forced to live under their regime (which could lead to all sorts of consequences). Do you know anything about 1930's Europe?!
Let me know your address - I'll happily march in and help myself to your stuff and you're not allowed to fight me off because PEACE MAN! |
This is all a bit childish. You have to understand that living on an island we as Brits have a very different understanding of what security is compared to those who live with with land borders.
The word Ukraine itself means "borderland" so from a Russian perspective this is like a buffer zone, a non aggressor on your doorstep. The US, like Russia, doesn't want an aggressive state on its borders. No country wants to risk having a non friendly state on its borders, especially a country with a "zone of influence" like Russia, the US or China.
Claims of Russian paranoia by Western countries are often levelled at Russia, but would the US accept an anti-American state located just 300miles from Washington backed by Russia? I don't think so.
Cuba is 1200 miles from Washington (4 times further than Ukraine is from Moscow) and it still imposes strict sanction on the country - designed to keep it from ever being a threat.
You say Putin referenced his comment in regards to today. Turn the tables a little. If Washington had a neighbour on her doorstep - 300miles away (who at some point in history had been under her control) which had turned hostile, don't you think they would exercise their right to protect themselves in any way they see fit? | | | |
| AT LAST!! on 17:56 - Nov 19 with 1318 views | Cafe_Newman |
| AT LAST!! on 17:36 - Nov 19 by redrickstuhaart |
I think that in the cause of being independently minded, you have become extremely resistant to clear facts. |
Remind me what facts you think I am resistant to, please. | | | |
| AT LAST!! on 18:13 - Nov 19 with 1276 views | orfordbuoy |
| AT LAST!! on 17:55 - Nov 19 by Cafe_Newman |
This is all a bit childish. You have to understand that living on an island we as Brits have a very different understanding of what security is compared to those who live with with land borders.
The word Ukraine itself means "borderland" so from a Russian perspective this is like a buffer zone, a non aggressor on your doorstep. The US, like Russia, doesn't want an aggressive state on its borders. No country wants to risk having a non friendly state on its borders, especially a country with a "zone of influence" like Russia, the US or China.
Claims of Russian paranoia by Western countries are often levelled at Russia, but would the US accept an anti-American state located just 300miles from Washington backed by Russia? I don't think so.
Cuba is 1200 miles from Washington (4 times further than Ukraine is from Moscow) and it still imposes strict sanction on the country - designed to keep it from ever being a threat.
You say Putin referenced his comment in regards to today. Turn the tables a little. If Washington had a neighbour on her doorstep - 300miles away (who at some point in history had been under her control) which had turned hostile, don't you think they would exercise their right to protect themselves in any way they see fit? |
'What the Ukrainians were doing to the people of the Donbass from 2014 was criminal' - this is copy and paste GlaVset rhetoric, used in social media to justify Putin massacring thousands of Ukrainian men women and children. In fact, it was Russian troops and Russian-aligned paramilitaries, from 2014, causing death and subjugation in The Donbass.
Ukraine was no threat to the barbaric dictator you work for. |  | | |
| AT LAST!! on 18:19 - Nov 19 with 1269 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| AT LAST!! on 17:55 - Nov 19 by Cafe_Newman |
This is all a bit childish. You have to understand that living on an island we as Brits have a very different understanding of what security is compared to those who live with with land borders.
The word Ukraine itself means "borderland" so from a Russian perspective this is like a buffer zone, a non aggressor on your doorstep. The US, like Russia, doesn't want an aggressive state on its borders. No country wants to risk having a non friendly state on its borders, especially a country with a "zone of influence" like Russia, the US or China.
Claims of Russian paranoia by Western countries are often levelled at Russia, but would the US accept an anti-American state located just 300miles from Washington backed by Russia? I don't think so.
Cuba is 1200 miles from Washington (4 times further than Ukraine is from Moscow) and it still imposes strict sanction on the country - designed to keep it from ever being a threat.
You say Putin referenced his comment in regards to today. Turn the tables a little. If Washington had a neighbour on her doorstep - 300miles away (who at some point in history had been under her control) which had turned hostile, don't you think they would exercise their right to protect themselves in any way they see fit? |
I've no idea what you're rambling on about now. You seem to have been caught out and are just throwing anything you can grab your hands on.
Are you saying Ukraine is a threat to Russia and that's why Russia were perfectly within their rights to invade?!? |  |
| Trust the process. Trust Phil. |
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| AT LAST!! on 18:29 - Nov 19 with 1256 views | redrickstuhaart |
| AT LAST!! on 17:56 - Nov 19 by Cafe_Newman |
Remind me what facts you think I am resistant to, please. |
The clear reasons for Russia invading Ukraine, as expressed by senior Russian officials and Putin himself, for a start. [Post edited 19 Nov 2024 18:30]
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| AT LAST!! on 18:40 - Nov 19 with 1233 views | bluejacko |
| AT LAST!! on 17:29 - Nov 19 by Cafe_Newman |
On the contrary, I am very interested. Send me a link. I'm no more set in my beliefs than the next man, but you should recognise that changing your beliefs is a tricky process for anyone over 13 years old. |
Iâve pointed the way Iâm not going to do all the work for just go you tube. | | | |
| AT LAST!! on 19:08 - Nov 19 with 1178 views | Cafe_Newman |
| AT LAST!! on 18:40 - Nov 19 by bluejacko |
Iâve pointed the way Iâm not going to do all the work for just go you tube. |
Not sure why you said "I could point you in thr direction of the Jake Broe podcast (and others) on every other day... I donât really think you are interested though are? "
Now you're telling me that you have already pointed the way...
It's all a bit odd.
Anyway, I'll check out Jake Broe and do a search for "and others" and see what comes up.
The fact that you're reluctant to just add a few links you'd recommend seems a bit strange when I'm willing to listen.
Never mind. | | | |
| AT LAST!! on 15:47 - Nov 22 with 914 views | MJallday |
| AT LAST!! on 20:47 - Nov 18 by Cafe_Newman |
"The war is nowhere near lost . The battlefront is barely even in the Ukraine right now."
But reliable media is reporting exactly the opposite:
The Russian army has significantly accelerated its offensive in the Donetsk region, taking control of a substantial amount of ground in the first two months of autumn â reportedly more than at any point since the initial full-scale invasion.
A number of Ukrainian politicians and military figures have openly spoken of the front âfalling to piecesâ.
âEveryone knows it â this is not a military secret,â stated General Dmytro Marchenko at the end of October. He was in charge of the defence of the city of Mykolaiv at the beginning of the war.
âThe collapse of the frontâ, in his view, was down to short supplies of men and ammunition, as well as âunstable command and controlâ because of frequent swaps in commanding officers and the deployment of poorly-prepared units to unfamiliar areas â such as to the fighting near Vuhledar, which was lost last month.`
This is yet another pointless war. Arming Ukraine is a pointless exercise when it comes to saving Ukraine as a country. What is a country without a people?
It's also a great shame that the only voice for peace in this thread so far has been called a Russian bot. Do people really think that pumping more arms into a retreating Ukraine is going to save Ukraine or be a step in the right direction towards peace? |
without breaching too many confidences, im aware with goings on in that part of the world due to my work.
the warfront is currently in the fringes of ukraine, in donbas, and in crimea. those are the main fronts.
russia is starting to use additional heavy weaponry, that's well reported. its very expensive and its non-nuclear. - which is why its limited in use at the moment. russia cant afford to keep producing this stuff so they're limiting its use.
the war isnt showing any signs of progression either way. its pretty much a stalemate right now . it could be swayed either way. the ukranians needs support / manpower , the russians do too (which is why theyre bringing in the koreans) - but the ukranians are holding their own
the biggest threat right now is drone attack. cheap, inexpensive and causes chaos.
the noise in the media about "the uk is starting to be involved" is just that - noise - newsflash for you , the british have been out there for more than 3 years... as have the americans , and most of the NATO countries . pretty much every EU military company is flooding stuff in there at the moment. are they fighting? no, but theyre supporting. either with logistics, kit or intelligence.
will it end in peace? i doubt it
putin is not going to give up.
trump is going to try (we think) to persuade the ukrainians to let the russians have their little bit (crimea + a bit) - in an attempt to stop it - its not expected this offer will be taken up - so we think the US will limit support going foward - which may tip things. that said, the EU / UK is not letting up on its support.
unless putin goes nuclear (which is unlikely, dispite the daily mail scaremongery) - this will be a very long and drawn out affair. - likely to only be resolved when putin dies of old age/gets thrown out of his own window. |  |
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| AT LAST!! on 16:37 - Nov 22 with 863 views | bluejacko |
| AT LAST!! on 15:47 - Nov 22 by MJallday |
without breaching too many confidences, im aware with goings on in that part of the world due to my work.
the warfront is currently in the fringes of ukraine, in donbas, and in crimea. those are the main fronts.
russia is starting to use additional heavy weaponry, that's well reported. its very expensive and its non-nuclear. - which is why its limited in use at the moment. russia cant afford to keep producing this stuff so they're limiting its use.
the war isnt showing any signs of progression either way. its pretty much a stalemate right now . it could be swayed either way. the ukranians needs support / manpower , the russians do too (which is why theyre bringing in the koreans) - but the ukranians are holding their own
the biggest threat right now is drone attack. cheap, inexpensive and causes chaos.
the noise in the media about "the uk is starting to be involved" is just that - noise - newsflash for you , the british have been out there for more than 3 years... as have the americans , and most of the NATO countries . pretty much every EU military company is flooding stuff in there at the moment. are they fighting? no, but theyre supporting. either with logistics, kit or intelligence.
will it end in peace? i doubt it
putin is not going to give up.
trump is going to try (we think) to persuade the ukrainians to let the russians have their little bit (crimea + a bit) - in an attempt to stop it - its not expected this offer will be taken up - so we think the US will limit support going foward - which may tip things. that said, the EU / UK is not letting up on its support.
unless putin goes nuclear (which is unlikely, dispite the daily mail scaremongery) - this will be a very long and drawn out affair. - likely to only be resolved when putin dies of old age/gets thrown out of his own window. |
Pretty much what the reliable podcasts sayđ
All this worry gutting over Pootin launching a IRBM is just that,he has been using nuclear capable missiles from the start! Attack us he attacks NATO with all the consequences of that. | | | |
| AT LAST!! on 16:51 - Nov 22 with 842 views | pointofblue |
| AT LAST!! on 15:47 - Nov 22 by MJallday |
without breaching too many confidences, im aware with goings on in that part of the world due to my work.
the warfront is currently in the fringes of ukraine, in donbas, and in crimea. those are the main fronts.
russia is starting to use additional heavy weaponry, that's well reported. its very expensive and its non-nuclear. - which is why its limited in use at the moment. russia cant afford to keep producing this stuff so they're limiting its use.
the war isnt showing any signs of progression either way. its pretty much a stalemate right now . it could be swayed either way. the ukranians needs support / manpower , the russians do too (which is why theyre bringing in the koreans) - but the ukranians are holding their own
the biggest threat right now is drone attack. cheap, inexpensive and causes chaos.
the noise in the media about "the uk is starting to be involved" is just that - noise - newsflash for you , the british have been out there for more than 3 years... as have the americans , and most of the NATO countries . pretty much every EU military company is flooding stuff in there at the moment. are they fighting? no, but theyre supporting. either with logistics, kit or intelligence.
will it end in peace? i doubt it
putin is not going to give up.
trump is going to try (we think) to persuade the ukrainians to let the russians have their little bit (crimea + a bit) - in an attempt to stop it - its not expected this offer will be taken up - so we think the US will limit support going foward - which may tip things. that said, the EU / UK is not letting up on its support.
unless putin goes nuclear (which is unlikely, dispite the daily mail scaremongery) - this will be a very long and drawn out affair. - likely to only be resolved when putin dies of old age/gets thrown out of his own window. |
Though Putin could be succeeded by someone who is even more radical - such as not being afraid of pressing the nuclear button. | |
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| AT LAST!! on 17:38 - Nov 22 with 781 views | bluester |
| AT LAST!! on 16:51 - Nov 22 by pointofblue |
Though Putin could be succeeded by someone who is even more radical - such as not being afraid of pressing the nuclear button. |
Most of his potential successors are more moderate. Medvedev is possibly the most unhinged but heâs the butt of jokes even in his own country. | | | |
| AT LAST!! on 19:05 - Nov 22 with 736 views | redrickstuhaart |
| AT LAST!! on 16:51 - Nov 22 by pointofblue |
Though Putin could be succeeded by someone who is even more radical - such as not being afraid of pressing the nuclear button. |
Happily we are edging towards a time when the remnants of the KGB and soviet state are getting too old to be successors. | | | |
| AT LAST!! on 19:32 - Nov 22 with 704 views | victorysquad |
| AT LAST!! on 19:05 - Nov 22 by redrickstuhaart |
Happily we are edging towards a time when the remnants of the KGB and soviet state are getting too old to be successors. |
You would think globalisation would bring people together eventually. Young educated Russian people must look at Ukraine and want a similar future. The world needs to stop making Russia the enemy. This is Putins war and he controls the media. This is what the west need to do is be open and talk directly to the Russian people.
Something like this | |
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