| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. 13:32 - Nov 20 with 33368 views | OldFart71 |
Inflation up and rising. Costs to businesses up. Energy prices going up again in January. Not long ago I paid £68 per month for gas and electricity. In the winter I was able to have my heating on 1-1.1/2 hours in the morning, then again 3 p.m. to 8 p.m. I now pay £85 per month (Just increased by my supplier) and I have it on for two hours at night. Absolutely bonkers. Whilst I admit and I was just as p*ssed off as most people with the Tories, Labour have steam rollered in like a bull in a china shop and now costs are and will keep increasing by more than they needed to. Companies will cut costs by cutting hours or even laying people off. Will put prices up whilst giving lower wage increases. This in turn will lead to workers striking for higher pay. There's a saying "You can't burn the candle at both ends" Labour are trying to put all the ills made by the previous Government in one go. It is too much all at once and is already leading to many sections of our community taking to the streets or totally feed up with a Party that has only been in power a few months. |  | | |  |
| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. on 13:21 - Nov 21 with 2152 views | WeWereZombies |
| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. on 12:53 - Nov 21 by The_Flashing_Smile |
hahaha. This again shows what a Tory you are.
There are loads of reasons.
The freedom to do your own thing, not simply serving others.
Turning something you love into your livelihood.
There are many businesses that do good in the world (as well as turning a profit).
Making your mark on the world.
Creating jobs for others.
That's just off the top of my head, there are probably many more. The fact that you only know about making money and nothing else speaks volumes. |
Taking on a fanzine, adding a forum, registering as a private limited company and then a quarter of a century later wishing all the argumentative fecks on the forum would learn to get along, that's another reason... |  |
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| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. on 13:32 - Nov 21 with 2091 views | catch74 |
| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. on 12:21 - Nov 21 by FrimleyBlue |
Depends on your own definition of what a business is that Flash
You've said yourself it's a not for profit charity, so for me that's not a business, it's specifically a charity, same as with a non profit organisation.
Actual Businesses are those put together to make profit and only profit and it's sole purpose is to make money.
BTW there is no right or wrong with this one as it's personal choice on how you define businesses v charities etc. [Post edited 21 Nov 2024 12:24]
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Bit long winded here but my bit, based solely on my experience within hospitality and currently owning a pub. I voted with the aim of removing the Conservatives, I couldn’t see myself ever voting for them but this doesn’t mean I can’t be disappointed with the Reeves budget.
The budget was greeted by shouts of delight as it was announced that the price of a pint in a pub would go down. This wasn’t new, it was the same as the previous Tory budget, the same cheers then, neglecting the highest overall rise in alcohol duty in 50 years. Both times forgetting that it’s actually a reduction in tax on the production of alcohol - pubs will have no input into the price change that pay for beer. It’ll undoubtedly go up - to cover brewers increased payroll etc etc.
Pubs were decimated by Covid - grants barely covered costs of closure, stock wastage, energy bills etc. The heralded furlough scheme also cost money - the business still had to pay PAYE Ni etc.
So most pubs I know are still servicing a bounce back loan , for the pleasure of being forcibly closed for Covid. Meanwhile supermarket profits soured.
So the bit that gets me is the not taxing working people and taxing those that can afford to pay. My business will be severely hit by the budget - £20k- £30k per year. I genuinely don’t know anyone who works as hard as my wife and myself we love the job and the industry we’re in. The impact will be felt far more by hospitality than supermarkets - just simply because of the required % wages v sales. I’d estimate 30 - 40% wages in a food pub v 15% in a supermarket.
We employ a lot of first time workers, it’s the nature of the business. The minimum wage increase will reduce the amount we can reward trained staff, cut staff hours and impact the service we offer. We will have to pay someone with zero experience at the cost of rewarding trained, experienced staff.
Prices will have to go up, reducing the number of people that are willing to go to the pub (funnily enough pushing generating more sales for supermarkets.) Taxation was already uneven - supermarkets don’t have to pay VAT on food.
I’d like to add in my long career in the industry I’ve met so many people where the pub is their life, we’ve had so many parents thanking us for changing their children’s lives, giving them confidence they didn’t have for university and careers. I’ve seen so many tradespeople gain work from connections and meeting new people in the pub.
We genuinely pay £100’s of thousands in tax every year in a very successful business but the small rewards for us are being chipped away in every direction. There were so many fantastic business that closed last year, with owners at the top of their game, training the next generation, paying their taxes and providing a social place for people go. Like us profitable enough before Covid and even before the last 2 budgets but we’re being taxed out of the game.
There are big supermarket, big online companies that could easily bear more of the brunt of increased taxes but they won’t be hit in anyway near the same way.
I will be giving Starmer and labour more time to prove themselves whilst they try to deal with the mess they inherited. But for me personally it’s not the best start. They’ve hit me , the hardest working most important part of the business so hard whilst helping my staff - great for them but I could easily end up under minimum wage myself. |  |
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| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. on 13:51 - Nov 21 with 2032 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. on 12:54 - Nov 21 by The_Flashing_Smile |
You've stumbled into something you don't understand again. Of course charities are businesses! |
Like I said, it depends on your personal definition of what a business is.
A charity and non profit organisations are set up to help others with profits going back solely into it to keep it running. For me a Business targets profits and to extract those profits for personal gain, that could be to shareholders or of course themselves as sole traders etc etc but the end game is to make profit for financial gain.
You on another reply have some good points about why people might set up their own business but not solely reliant on making money, Whilst it's a a good list:
The freedom to do your own thing, not simply serving others.
Turning something you love into your livelihood.
There are many businesses that do good in the world (as well as turning a profit).
Making your mark on the world.
Creating jobs for others.
None of the above can be achieved if you don't make money to keep running, so the sole purpose of those businesses is to make money but not just money, profit, as otherwise they're fked and don't exist.
Actually even saying the above, Charities, they fund raise etc as we know, so technically, their sole aim is to make as much money as possible to be able to actually achieve what they want, so yeah they too solely rely on making money. [Post edited 21 Nov 2024 14:37]
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| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. on 13:57 - Nov 21 with 2009 views | J2BLUE |
| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. on 13:32 - Nov 21 by catch74 |
Bit long winded here but my bit, based solely on my experience within hospitality and currently owning a pub. I voted with the aim of removing the Conservatives, I couldn’t see myself ever voting for them but this doesn’t mean I can’t be disappointed with the Reeves budget.
The budget was greeted by shouts of delight as it was announced that the price of a pint in a pub would go down. This wasn’t new, it was the same as the previous Tory budget, the same cheers then, neglecting the highest overall rise in alcohol duty in 50 years. Both times forgetting that it’s actually a reduction in tax on the production of alcohol - pubs will have no input into the price change that pay for beer. It’ll undoubtedly go up - to cover brewers increased payroll etc etc.
Pubs were decimated by Covid - grants barely covered costs of closure, stock wastage, energy bills etc. The heralded furlough scheme also cost money - the business still had to pay PAYE Ni etc.
So most pubs I know are still servicing a bounce back loan , for the pleasure of being forcibly closed for Covid. Meanwhile supermarket profits soured.
So the bit that gets me is the not taxing working people and taxing those that can afford to pay. My business will be severely hit by the budget - £20k- £30k per year. I genuinely don’t know anyone who works as hard as my wife and myself we love the job and the industry we’re in. The impact will be felt far more by hospitality than supermarkets - just simply because of the required % wages v sales. I’d estimate 30 - 40% wages in a food pub v 15% in a supermarket.
We employ a lot of first time workers, it’s the nature of the business. The minimum wage increase will reduce the amount we can reward trained staff, cut staff hours and impact the service we offer. We will have to pay someone with zero experience at the cost of rewarding trained, experienced staff.
Prices will have to go up, reducing the number of people that are willing to go to the pub (funnily enough pushing generating more sales for supermarkets.) Taxation was already uneven - supermarkets don’t have to pay VAT on food.
I’d like to add in my long career in the industry I’ve met so many people where the pub is their life, we’ve had so many parents thanking us for changing their children’s lives, giving them confidence they didn’t have for university and careers. I’ve seen so many tradespeople gain work from connections and meeting new people in the pub.
We genuinely pay £100’s of thousands in tax every year in a very successful business but the small rewards for us are being chipped away in every direction. There were so many fantastic business that closed last year, with owners at the top of their game, training the next generation, paying their taxes and providing a social place for people go. Like us profitable enough before Covid and even before the last 2 budgets but we’re being taxed out of the game.
There are big supermarket, big online companies that could easily bear more of the brunt of increased taxes but they won’t be hit in anyway near the same way.
I will be giving Starmer and labour more time to prove themselves whilst they try to deal with the mess they inherited. But for me personally it’s not the best start. They’ve hit me , the hardest working most important part of the business so hard whilst helping my staff - great for them but I could easily end up under minimum wage myself. |
Ouch, that figure really hits home when you think you have to absorb that cost or pass it on. |  |
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| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. on 14:00 - Nov 21 with 2003 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. on 13:32 - Nov 21 by catch74 |
Bit long winded here but my bit, based solely on my experience within hospitality and currently owning a pub. I voted with the aim of removing the Conservatives, I couldn’t see myself ever voting for them but this doesn’t mean I can’t be disappointed with the Reeves budget.
The budget was greeted by shouts of delight as it was announced that the price of a pint in a pub would go down. This wasn’t new, it was the same as the previous Tory budget, the same cheers then, neglecting the highest overall rise in alcohol duty in 50 years. Both times forgetting that it’s actually a reduction in tax on the production of alcohol - pubs will have no input into the price change that pay for beer. It’ll undoubtedly go up - to cover brewers increased payroll etc etc.
Pubs were decimated by Covid - grants barely covered costs of closure, stock wastage, energy bills etc. The heralded furlough scheme also cost money - the business still had to pay PAYE Ni etc.
So most pubs I know are still servicing a bounce back loan , for the pleasure of being forcibly closed for Covid. Meanwhile supermarket profits soured.
So the bit that gets me is the not taxing working people and taxing those that can afford to pay. My business will be severely hit by the budget - £20k- £30k per year. I genuinely don’t know anyone who works as hard as my wife and myself we love the job and the industry we’re in. The impact will be felt far more by hospitality than supermarkets - just simply because of the required % wages v sales. I’d estimate 30 - 40% wages in a food pub v 15% in a supermarket.
We employ a lot of first time workers, it’s the nature of the business. The minimum wage increase will reduce the amount we can reward trained staff, cut staff hours and impact the service we offer. We will have to pay someone with zero experience at the cost of rewarding trained, experienced staff.
Prices will have to go up, reducing the number of people that are willing to go to the pub (funnily enough pushing generating more sales for supermarkets.) Taxation was already uneven - supermarkets don’t have to pay VAT on food.
I’d like to add in my long career in the industry I’ve met so many people where the pub is their life, we’ve had so many parents thanking us for changing their children’s lives, giving them confidence they didn’t have for university and careers. I’ve seen so many tradespeople gain work from connections and meeting new people in the pub.
We genuinely pay £100’s of thousands in tax every year in a very successful business but the small rewards for us are being chipped away in every direction. There were so many fantastic business that closed last year, with owners at the top of their game, training the next generation, paying their taxes and providing a social place for people go. Like us profitable enough before Covid and even before the last 2 budgets but we’re being taxed out of the game.
There are big supermarket, big online companies that could easily bear more of the brunt of increased taxes but they won’t be hit in anyway near the same way.
I will be giving Starmer and labour more time to prove themselves whilst they try to deal with the mess they inherited. But for me personally it’s not the best start. They’ve hit me , the hardest working most important part of the business so hard whilst helping my staff - great for them but I could easily end up under minimum wage myself. |
Excellent post, disturbing effects however, I hope you can get through these changes and flourish.
I mentioned just after the budget, a business owner friend of mine was looking at an 80k increase per annum due to the NI and min wage increases. Of course, they'll relook at their figures, make changes. They too will find themeselves however in the same position where they will no longer be able to reward experienced members of staff and will have to increase their prices to counter the budget, is all this really beneficial to the UK? | |
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| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. on 14:05 - Nov 21 with 1973 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. on 13:51 - Nov 21 by FrimleyBlue |
Like I said, it depends on your personal definition of what a business is.
A charity and non profit organisations are set up to help others with profits going back solely into it to keep it running. For me a Business targets profits and to extract those profits for personal gain, that could be to shareholders or of course themselves as sole traders etc etc but the end game is to make profit for financial gain.
You on another reply have some good points about why people might set up their own business but not solely reliant on making money, Whilst it's a a good list:
The freedom to do your own thing, not simply serving others.
Turning something you love into your livelihood.
There are many businesses that do good in the world (as well as turning a profit).
Making your mark on the world.
Creating jobs for others.
None of the above can be achieved if you don't make money to keep running, so the sole purpose of those businesses is to make money but not just money, profit, as otherwise they're fked and don't exist.
Actually even saying the above, Charities, they fund raise etc as we know, so technically, their sole aim is to make as much money as possible to be able to actually achieve what they want, so yeah they too solely rely on making money. [Post edited 21 Nov 2024 14:37]
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No! You can't make up your own personal definition of what a business is! It's called the English language, and I'm sorry but you can't just make up what words mean.
The definition of a business is "an organization or enterprising entity engaged in commercial, industrial, or professional activities."
You've already changed your mind and decided charities are now businesses! |  |
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| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. on 14:10 - Nov 21 with 1935 views | J2BLUE |
| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. on 14:05 - Nov 21 by The_Flashing_Smile |
No! You can't make up your own personal definition of what a business is! It's called the English language, and I'm sorry but you can't just make up what words mean.
The definition of a business is "an organization or enterprising entity engaged in commercial, industrial, or professional activities."
You've already changed your mind and decided charities are now businesses! |
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| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. on 14:17 - Nov 21 with 1894 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. on 14:05 - Nov 21 by The_Flashing_Smile |
No! You can't make up your own personal definition of what a business is! It's called the English language, and I'm sorry but you can't just make up what words mean.
The definition of a business is "an organization or enterprising entity engaged in commercial, industrial, or professional activities."
You've already changed your mind and decided charities are now businesses! |
I haven't changed my mind as such I was just countering your view about charities and that actually even as a charity they too are solely focused on making money but as its not for anyones personal gain then imo it's not a business but exactly what it is, a charity.
You can define anything however you want Flash,
it wasn't that long a go that the definition of women was changed. who knows what the legal/English or what ever definition of a business will be in 10 years time..
Anyways, regardless of yours or my definitions of businesses etc, you are still incorrect about Businesses' charities, non profit organisations... they have 1 sole aim.... to make profit, if they don't then they don't exist. [Post edited 21 Nov 2024 14:26]
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| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. on 14:20 - Nov 21 with 1885 views | Blueschev |
| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. on 14:17 - Nov 21 by FrimleyBlue |
I haven't changed my mind as such I was just countering your view about charities and that actually even as a charity they too are solely focused on making money but as its not for anyones personal gain then imo it's not a business but exactly what it is, a charity.
You can define anything however you want Flash,
it wasn't that long a go that the definition of women was changed. who knows what the legal/English or what ever definition of a business will be in 10 years time..
Anyways, regardless of yours or my definitions of businesses etc, you are still incorrect about Businesses' charities, non profit organisations... they have 1 sole aim.... to make profit, if they don't then they don't exist. [Post edited 21 Nov 2024 14:26]
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| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. on 14:25 - Nov 21 with 1860 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. on 14:20 - Nov 21 by Blueschev |
Are you saying that in the future businesses with have pronouns? |
ooo they could coudn't they | |
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| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. on 14:27 - Nov 21 with 1846 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. on 14:17 - Nov 21 by FrimleyBlue |
I haven't changed my mind as such I was just countering your view about charities and that actually even as a charity they too are solely focused on making money but as its not for anyones personal gain then imo it's not a business but exactly what it is, a charity.
You can define anything however you want Flash,
it wasn't that long a go that the definition of women was changed. who knows what the legal/English or what ever definition of a business will be in 10 years time..
Anyways, regardless of yours or my definitions of businesses etc, you are still incorrect about Businesses' charities, non profit organisations... they have 1 sole aim.... to make profit, if they don't then they don't exist. [Post edited 21 Nov 2024 14:26]
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Hahahahahahahaha.
You are the funniest poster on here.
1. You interpret what people say rather than go with what they actually say (and if you interpret them wrongly it's their fault).
2. You think the only things that affect the result in football matches are the incidents that directly lead to goals... nothing else matters in terms of the result. No build up, no pressure, injuries, substitutions, whether you're home or away, the weather/state of the pitch etc... none of it affects the result, only the passages of play directly leading to goals are relevant.
3. Now it's SOD THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE - "You can define anything however you want."
And you're trying to wriggle out of your own definition of what a business is by citing the definition of women has changed (Has it?! I must've missed that!) and so the definition of a business can change!
You're bonkers in the nut, mate, but I like you! | |
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| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. on 14:37 - Nov 21 with 1818 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. on 14:27 - Nov 21 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Hahahahahahahaha.
You are the funniest poster on here.
1. You interpret what people say rather than go with what they actually say (and if you interpret them wrongly it's their fault).
2. You think the only things that affect the result in football matches are the incidents that directly lead to goals... nothing else matters in terms of the result. No build up, no pressure, injuries, substitutions, whether you're home or away, the weather/state of the pitch etc... none of it affects the result, only the passages of play directly leading to goals are relevant.
3. Now it's SOD THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE - "You can define anything however you want."
And you're trying to wriggle out of your own definition of what a business is by citing the definition of women has changed (Has it?! I must've missed that!) and so the definition of a business can change!
You're bonkers in the nut, mate, but I like you! |
This is general tab, so not discussing football on this Flash. i've already answered your view on that one anyway.
I tend to notice when you're running out of counter points to defend your original view as you've not come up with an actual counter back - perhaps your mrs charity doesn't have a sole aim of making money to keep itself going for example?
But No, im not wriggling out of anything, I was upfront first of all in that you and I can define things differently, I've no interest in what the English Language tells me, that's again someone elses personal definition to write it in the first place. It's actually quite an interesting thought really, is a door a door for example, or is it a gate? we call it a door because that's what someone called it, but what makes it a door and not a gate? If everyone defined the door as a gate, would it suddenly become a gate? one for the wine tasting later lol | |
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| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. on 14:40 - Nov 21 with 1805 views | J2BLUE |
| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. on 14:37 - Nov 21 by FrimleyBlue |
This is general tab, so not discussing football on this Flash. i've already answered your view on that one anyway.
I tend to notice when you're running out of counter points to defend your original view as you've not come up with an actual counter back - perhaps your mrs charity doesn't have a sole aim of making money to keep itself going for example?
But No, im not wriggling out of anything, I was upfront first of all in that you and I can define things differently, I've no interest in what the English Language tells me, that's again someone elses personal definition to write it in the first place. It's actually quite an interesting thought really, is a door a door for example, or is it a gate? we call it a door because that's what someone called it, but what makes it a door and not a gate? If everyone defined the door as a gate, would it suddenly become a gate? one for the wine tasting later lol |
I am trying to work but am genuinely too fascinated with this debate to stop reading. | |
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| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. on 14:42 - Nov 21 with 1800 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. on 14:40 - Nov 21 by J2BLUE |
I am trying to work but am genuinely too fascinated with this debate to stop reading. |
See, always a positive to not have me on a div list. | |
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| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. on 14:46 - Nov 21 with 1789 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. on 14:37 - Nov 21 by FrimleyBlue |
This is general tab, so not discussing football on this Flash. i've already answered your view on that one anyway.
I tend to notice when you're running out of counter points to defend your original view as you've not come up with an actual counter back - perhaps your mrs charity doesn't have a sole aim of making money to keep itself going for example?
But No, im not wriggling out of anything, I was upfront first of all in that you and I can define things differently, I've no interest in what the English Language tells me, that's again someone elses personal definition to write it in the first place. It's actually quite an interesting thought really, is a door a door for example, or is it a gate? we call it a door because that's what someone called it, but what makes it a door and not a gate? If everyone defined the door as a gate, would it suddenly become a gate? one for the wine tasting later lol |
I think you're on the wine already fella. | |
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| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. on 14:46 - Nov 21 with 1783 views | J2BLUE |
| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. on 14:42 - Nov 21 by FrimleyBlue |
See, always a positive to not have me on a div list. |
Is a list really a list just because people call it a list? Why not a word queue? | |
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| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. on 14:49 - Nov 21 with 1774 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. on 14:46 - Nov 21 by J2BLUE |
Is a list really a list just because people call it a list? Why not a word queue? |
Quite like word queue, seems less offensive. | |
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| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. on 14:51 - Nov 21 with 1763 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. on 14:46 - Nov 21 by J2BLUE |
Is a list really a list just because people call it a list? Why not a word queue? |
I'm now wondering if you removed your garden gate and your front door and swapped them, would the door now be called a gate or is it still a door, and also, what's now at the entrance to your house - is it a door or a gate?!
I can't quite decide if Frimmers is a fruit loop or a genius who hasn't yet had the recognition he deserves. | |
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| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. on 14:58 - Nov 21 with 1732 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. on 14:51 - Nov 21 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I'm now wondering if you removed your garden gate and your front door and swapped them, would the door now be called a gate or is it still a door, and also, what's now at the entrance to your house - is it a door or a gate?!
I can't quite decide if Frimmers is a fruit loop or a genius who hasn't yet had the recognition he deserves. |
Well interestingly the 'definition' of a gate
"a hinged barrier used to close an opening in a wall,l, fence, or hedge."
Now considering you put a few bricks together you're forming a wall, what changes that from being a big wall, to becoming a house? the roof? if it had no roof is it a wall?
Now you normally would define a wall as a vertical structure, however if the wall surrounds a garden with no gaps, then it's not vertical but still known as a wall so is it potentially a small version of a house without a roof.. but a garden inside instead of rooms. what if the garden was a room, if that's the case then a door at the beginning of a garden instead of a gate, would still be known as a door. [Post edited 21 Nov 2024 15:02]
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| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. on 15:07 - Nov 21 with 1690 views | WeWereZombies |
| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. on 14:51 - Nov 21 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I'm now wondering if you removed your garden gate and your front door and swapped them, would the door now be called a gate or is it still a door, and also, what's now at the entrance to your house - is it a door or a gate?!
I can't quite decide if Frimmers is a fruit loop or a genius who hasn't yet had the recognition he deserves. |
A door is a door because it has a certain dooriness about it and a gate is a gate because it has a certain gateness about it. I covered this in my second year of a philosophy degree, although in that instance we were discussing tables. | |
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| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. on 15:11 - Nov 21 with 1677 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. on 15:07 - Nov 21 by WeWereZombies |
A door is a door because it has a certain dooriness about it and a gate is a gate because it has a certain gateness about it. I covered this in my second year of a philosophy degree, although in that instance we were discussing tables. |
if you put legs on a door, is it a table? | |
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| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. on 15:12 - Nov 21 with 1671 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. on 14:58 - Nov 21 by FrimleyBlue |
Well interestingly the 'definition' of a gate
"a hinged barrier used to close an opening in a wall,l, fence, or hedge."
Now considering you put a few bricks together you're forming a wall, what changes that from being a big wall, to becoming a house? the roof? if it had no roof is it a wall?
Now you normally would define a wall as a vertical structure, however if the wall surrounds a garden with no gaps, then it's not vertical but still known as a wall so is it potentially a small version of a house without a roof.. but a garden inside instead of rooms. what if the garden was a room, if that's the case then a door at the beginning of a garden instead of a gate, would still be known as a door. [Post edited 21 Nov 2024 15:02]
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I'm going to look at my wall a lot differently, now knowing it's just a small version of a house without a roof!
We have a pub near us that has a beer garden and (what I've always know as) a "gate" at the back. However, this beer garden is permanently covered - so a form of roof. Therefore surely that beer garden is actually another room, and the gate at the back is actually a door?! [Post edited 21 Nov 2024 15:16]
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| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. on 15:16 - Nov 21 with 1654 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. on 15:11 - Nov 21 by FrimleyBlue |
if you put legs on a door, is it a table? |
If you used it as a table then I guess it would be a table. But if you fixed legs to your front door and kept it where it is, fixed to the front of your house, you'd be hard pushed to call it a table. | |
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| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. on 15:17 - Nov 21 with 1651 views | WeWereZombies |
| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. on 15:11 - Nov 21 by FrimleyBlue |
if you put legs on a door, is it a table? |
Not really because the handle gets in the way when you are passing the port, old boy... | |
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| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. on 15:24 - Nov 21 with 1613 views | J2BLUE |
| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. on 15:11 - Nov 21 by FrimleyBlue |
if you put legs on a door, is it a table? |
Is a snooker table really just an elaborate pair of trousers? | |
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