| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. 13:32 - Nov 20 with 33397 views | OldFart71 |
Inflation up and rising. Costs to businesses up. Energy prices going up again in January. Not long ago I paid £68 per month for gas and electricity. In the winter I was able to have my heating on 1-1.1/2 hours in the morning, then again 3 p.m. to 8 p.m. I now pay £85 per month (Just increased by my supplier) and I have it on for two hours at night. Absolutely bonkers. Whilst I admit and I was just as p*ssed off as most people with the Tories, Labour have steam rollered in like a bull in a china shop and now costs are and will keep increasing by more than they needed to. Companies will cut costs by cutting hours or even laying people off. Will put prices up whilst giving lower wage increases. This in turn will lead to workers striking for higher pay. There's a saying "You can't burn the candle at both ends" Labour are trying to put all the ills made by the previous Government in one go. It is too much all at once and is already leading to many sections of our community taking to the streets or totally feed up with a Party that has only been in power a few months. |  | | |  |
| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. on 15:21 - Nov 23 with 1654 views | J2BLUE |
| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. on 14:44 - Nov 23 by GlasgowBlue |
How do you feel about a business owner who pays most staff well above the living wage, also pays 16 to 20 year olds the 21+ rate from the day they start and during very lean times ensures that their staff are always paid on time whilst the business owner forgoes taking out a single penny in order to keep the company in going?
As for get back to the office. Some people may not enjoy social activity, but most people do and if our town centres die then they will be the first to compalin what a sh1thole their town centre is. A listen to the new Rolling with the Punches highlights how Ipswich has declined and the people interviewed saying how there is nothing to do inIpswich any more. If people are happy to stay in their homes ,ordering everything online and having very little social interaction then society will the the poorer for it.
But your reply has nothing to do with the point being made between a warehouseman and somebody making £millions for a company so I'm not realy sure why you made it other than to get unnecessarily personal.
Getting back to Lucan's point, there is an endless supply of warehousemen (or women) whereas people who can create £milions for a business are few and far between. So they deserve to be paid far more than the warehouseman. That doesn't mean that the warehouseman shouldn't be paid a decent wage.
Would like the courtesy of a reply as you were very quick to get personal with that post. [Post edited 23 Nov 2024 14:51]
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We have always got on well. It was not to get unnecessarily personal, and apologise if it came across like that, but to highlight that you seemed to be supporting the free markets to set wages but in the past you have supported workers being made to return to the office to support local businesses. It has nothing to do with social activity or society being poorer. Most people prepare at least some sort of hybrid role rather than being forced to go to the office.
The people who do the worst jobs are the lowest paid. Most companies and managers seem happiest when treating their workers like glorified serfs. It just annoys me when people talk down the contribution of front line staff who deal with 99% of the sh1t for peanuts. Then to have Lucan describe the minimum wage as generous, it touched a nerve as someone who used to be on crap money doing a crap job and bring treated like sh1t. In most of the jobs I have had the people levels above me were either thick as sh1t or didn't have the first clue about the job they were supposed to be doing. There will never be a direct comparison between what normal workers can do and what a CEO can do. What ratio would you say is fair for the highest and lowest earners in a company?
If you pay peanuts you will get staff who don't care. People generally know if they are being underpaid for the job they do. There is nothing more demoralising than knowing your company is taking the piss.
It's admirable that you pay staff more. You're not the problem and not sure why you're siding with Lucan. Our position doesn't seem that far apart. I apologise again if my post seemed harsh or unfair. It just really touches a nerve when I have worked in sh1t jobs being underpaid and underappreciated and it makes your life an utter misery. Five days a week your life is a misery. Your second day off is dominated by dread of starting another week. I am lucky that I have escaped that. I now work 32 hours a week by choice from my home office. I just feel incredible sympathy and empathy for people who are still in that situation. [Post edited 23 Nov 2024 15:47]
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| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. on 15:42 - Nov 23 with 1605 views | Benters |
| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. on 14:49 - Nov 23 by GlasgowBlue |
"I reckon I could be the head of B&Q for a month and it wouldn't suffer". Mate, you had to ask a football message board where to buy a fcukin' suit, let alone run a company that turned over £3.85 billion last year. [Post edited 23 Nov 2024 14:50]
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Dolly must be doing something right he pays £90 for bangers and mash. |  |
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| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. on 15:50 - Nov 23 with 1576 views | BlibbiBlob1976 |
| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. on 16:25 - Nov 20 by Swansea_Blue |
It's a bit too much to expect them to turn everything around in 6 months; and I don't think it's right to say they're tackling everything at once. They've barely started on some areas (e.g. education, council budgets and plenty more). There's just a LOT that's been disinvested in over a long period of time. The UK is like Towen were under Evans. Maybe Gamechanger could help Labour sort it all about, I'm sure Ashton would like a crack at being PM. |
They’ve done plenty of damage to education in the space of 4.5 months! | | | |
| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. on 15:52 - Nov 23 with 1574 views | Zapers |
| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. on 14:49 - Nov 23 by GlasgowBlue |
"I reckon I could be the head of B&Q for a month and it wouldn't suffer". Mate, you had to ask a football message board where to buy a fcukin' suit, let alone run a company that turned over £3.85 billion last year. [Post edited 23 Nov 2024 14:50]
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| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. on 15:54 - Nov 23 with 1554 views | BlibbiBlob1976 |
| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. on 13:32 - Nov 21 by catch74 |
Bit long winded here but my bit, based solely on my experience within hospitality and currently owning a pub. I voted with the aim of removing the Conservatives, I couldn’t see myself ever voting for them but this doesn’t mean I can’t be disappointed with the Reeves budget.
The budget was greeted by shouts of delight as it was announced that the price of a pint in a pub would go down. This wasn’t new, it was the same as the previous Tory budget, the same cheers then, neglecting the highest overall rise in alcohol duty in 50 years. Both times forgetting that it’s actually a reduction in tax on the production of alcohol - pubs will have no input into the price change that pay for beer. It’ll undoubtedly go up - to cover brewers increased payroll etc etc.
Pubs were decimated by Covid - grants barely covered costs of closure, stock wastage, energy bills etc. The heralded furlough scheme also cost money - the business still had to pay PAYE Ni etc.
So most pubs I know are still servicing a bounce back loan , for the pleasure of being forcibly closed for Covid. Meanwhile supermarket profits soured.
So the bit that gets me is the not taxing working people and taxing those that can afford to pay. My business will be severely hit by the budget - £20k- £30k per year. I genuinely don’t know anyone who works as hard as my wife and myself we love the job and the industry we’re in. The impact will be felt far more by hospitality than supermarkets - just simply because of the required % wages v sales. I’d estimate 30 - 40% wages in a food pub v 15% in a supermarket.
We employ a lot of first time workers, it’s the nature of the business. The minimum wage increase will reduce the amount we can reward trained staff, cut staff hours and impact the service we offer. We will have to pay someone with zero experience at the cost of rewarding trained, experienced staff.
Prices will have to go up, reducing the number of people that are willing to go to the pub (funnily enough pushing generating more sales for supermarkets.) Taxation was already uneven - supermarkets don’t have to pay VAT on food.
I’d like to add in my long career in the industry I’ve met so many people where the pub is their life, we’ve had so many parents thanking us for changing their children’s lives, giving them confidence they didn’t have for university and careers. I’ve seen so many tradespeople gain work from connections and meeting new people in the pub.
We genuinely pay £100’s of thousands in tax every year in a very successful business but the small rewards for us are being chipped away in every direction. There were so many fantastic business that closed last year, with owners at the top of their game, training the next generation, paying their taxes and providing a social place for people go. Like us profitable enough before Covid and even before the last 2 budgets but we’re being taxed out of the game.
There are big supermarket, big online companies that could easily bear more of the brunt of increased taxes but they won’t be hit in anyway near the same way.
I will be giving Starmer and labour more time to prove themselves whilst they try to deal with the mess they inherited. But for me personally it’s not the best start. They’ve hit me , the hardest working most important part of the business so hard whilst helping my staff - great for them but I could easily end up under minimum wage myself. |
This is such a good post. This gov so far has absolutely hammered us small business owners. I’m afraid that this is Labour governments. Blair made us all forget the true colours of Labour, shown in the dark days of the 70s. That’s where we are going back to. Ironically, this lot also seem to have a large dose of corporatism to add into the far left mix. Not sure how that’ll shake out. One thing is for sure, they have nothing but contempt for hard working small businesses, and the middle classes in general. | | | |
| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. on 15:58 - Nov 23 with 1539 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. on 15:21 - Nov 23 by J2BLUE |
We have always got on well. It was not to get unnecessarily personal, and apologise if it came across like that, but to highlight that you seemed to be supporting the free markets to set wages but in the past you have supported workers being made to return to the office to support local businesses. It has nothing to do with social activity or society being poorer. Most people prepare at least some sort of hybrid role rather than being forced to go to the office.
The people who do the worst jobs are the lowest paid. Most companies and managers seem happiest when treating their workers like glorified serfs. It just annoys me when people talk down the contribution of front line staff who deal with 99% of the sh1t for peanuts. Then to have Lucan describe the minimum wage as generous, it touched a nerve as someone who used to be on crap money doing a crap job and bring treated like sh1t. In most of the jobs I have had the people levels above me were either thick as sh1t or didn't have the first clue about the job they were supposed to be doing. There will never be a direct comparison between what normal workers can do and what a CEO can do. What ratio would you say is fair for the highest and lowest earners in a company?
If you pay peanuts you will get staff who don't care. People generally know if they are being underpaid for the job they do. There is nothing more demoralising than knowing your company is taking the piss.
It's admirable that you pay staff more. You're not the problem and not sure why you're siding with Lucan. Our position doesn't seem that far apart. I apologise again if my post seemed harsh or unfair. It just really touches a nerve when I have worked in sh1t jobs being underpaid and underappreciated and it makes your life an utter misery. Five days a week your life is a misery. Your second day off is dominated by dread of starting another week. I am lucky that I have escaped that. I now work 32 hours a week by choice from my home office. I just feel incredible sympathy and empathy for people who are still in that situation. [Post edited 23 Nov 2024 15:47]
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No problem mate. I don't think people should be forced to return to the officer. From a business point of view, I would prefer it. From a personal point of view, I've worked in offices for most of my working life, whether here or abroad and I enjoyed the social interaction that went with it. Some of my best friendships were made during those years. People I still socialise with now that I worked with 30 years ago. I find the idea of working from home alien to me. But I wouldn't force people to do something they wouldn't want.
I'm supporting Lucan's view that somebody who makes £millions for a company should be paid far more than somebody who can easily be replaced. But I also believe that the person on the lower scale shouldn't be paid a decent and rewarding wage.
I've never had an issue with wage inequality. So long as the person at the bottom is paid a decnt wage, I couldnt give a toss what those at the top are earning. |  |
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| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. on 15:59 - Nov 23 with 1534 views | BlibbiBlob1976 |
| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. on 23:14 - Nov 20 by Lord_Lucan |
Labour have only just got in so you never know, they might turn things around. I'm a normal Tory voter but you have to admit Tory HQ was rancid at the end. I'm hoping they will do a Blair mark 1.
Hooever - I don't think they have the gumption? Blair was a smooth operator with a good team around him.
Gotta say though, on the face of the first few months I'm not sure. We are only a little in to the first shift but in my opinion they have made some really bad moves.
Minimum wage was generous as it was but when it goes up we are in the crazy situation where a minimum wage person doing 40 hours a week will be on £25k a year. WTF?????? I'm sorry to tell you this but some people are not worth £25k a year.
Plus - employers NI raise????
Now, I know some on here live in a dreamworld but these two things are going to have a catastrophic impact and lead to massive problems for average joe.
We are a very small company, tiny in fact. Thing is we can't accept this. We only employ a handful of people but we are going to have to get rid of one in January. |
Another good, balanced post. We all wanted Labour to succeed, but the early signs are awful. Seriously economically illiterate budget. Higher inflation, higher interest rate, higher unemployment… one thing is for sure, Starmer is not anywhere near the calibre of Blair. | | | |
| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. on 16:01 - Nov 23 with 1513 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. on 15:54 - Nov 23 by BlibbiBlob1976 |
This is such a good post. This gov so far has absolutely hammered us small business owners. I’m afraid that this is Labour governments. Blair made us all forget the true colours of Labour, shown in the dark days of the 70s. That’s where we are going back to. Ironically, this lot also seem to have a large dose of corporatism to add into the far left mix. Not sure how that’ll shake out. One thing is for sure, they have nothing but contempt for hard working small businesses, and the middle classes in general. |
The more small businesses that go out of business the better for labour..
Boarded up businesses will become greybelt land
Greybelt land becomes a block of flats. |  |
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| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. on 16:03 - Nov 23 with 1502 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. on 15:42 - Nov 23 by Benters |
Dolly must be doing something right he pays £90 for bangers and mash. |
Would you trust a man who pays ninety quid for Bangers and Mash with a multi £billion budget? | |
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| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. on 16:04 - Nov 23 with 1498 views | J2BLUE |
| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. on 16:03 - Nov 23 by GlasgowBlue |
Would you trust a man who pays ninety quid for Bangers and Mash with a multi £billion budget? |
The CEO of B&Q has probably paid a lot more for a lot less! | |
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| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. on 16:06 - Nov 23 with 1484 views | BlibbiBlob1976 |
| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. on 16:01 - Nov 23 by FrimleyBlue |
The more small businesses that go out of business the better for labour..
Boarded up businesses will become greybelt land
Greybelt land becomes a block of flats. |
I’m not seeing much incentive for house builders in the Labour approach tbh, so I’m not sure that’s the agenda. | | | |
| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. on 16:09 - Nov 23 with 1483 views | J2BLUE |
| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. on 16:01 - Nov 23 by FrimleyBlue |
The more small businesses that go out of business the better for labour..
Boarded up businesses will become greybelt land
Greybelt land becomes a block of flats. |
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| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. on 16:19 - Nov 23 with 1446 views | Benters |
| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. on 16:01 - Nov 23 by FrimleyBlue |
The more small businesses that go out of business the better for labour..
Boarded up businesses will become greybelt land
Greybelt land becomes a block of flats. |
Be careful what you wish for! | |
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| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. on 16:20 - Nov 23 with 1440 views | Benters |
| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. on 16:03 - Nov 23 by GlasgowBlue |
Would you trust a man who pays ninety quid for Bangers and Mash with a multi £billion budget? |
No. | |
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| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. on 16:22 - Nov 23 with 1430 views | Benters |
| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. on 16:06 - Nov 23 by BlibbiBlob1976 |
I’m not seeing much incentive for house builders in the Labour approach tbh, so I’m not sure that’s the agenda. |
Council houses. | |
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| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. on 16:27 - Nov 23 with 1405 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. on 15:54 - Nov 23 by BlibbiBlob1976 |
This is such a good post. This gov so far has absolutely hammered us small business owners. I’m afraid that this is Labour governments. Blair made us all forget the true colours of Labour, shown in the dark days of the 70s. That’s where we are going back to. Ironically, this lot also seem to have a large dose of corporatism to add into the far left mix. Not sure how that’ll shake out. One thing is for sure, they have nothing but contempt for hard working small businesses, and the middle classes in general. |
They’re in an interesting position. Traditional Labour people think they’re on the right with the Tories, whilst Tories think they’re far left.
Schrödinger's Labour. |  |
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| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. on 16:29 - Nov 23 with 1389 views | Benters |
| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. on 15:54 - Nov 23 by BlibbiBlob1976 |
This is such a good post. This gov so far has absolutely hammered us small business owners. I’m afraid that this is Labour governments. Blair made us all forget the true colours of Labour, shown in the dark days of the 70s. That’s where we are going back to. Ironically, this lot also seem to have a large dose of corporatism to add into the far left mix. Not sure how that’ll shake out. One thing is for sure, they have nothing but contempt for hard working small businesses, and the middle classes in general. |
Don’t wake Badger up! | |
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| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. on 16:33 - Nov 23 with 1382 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. on 13:57 - Nov 23 by Lord_Lucan |
"I reckon I could be the head of B&Q for a month and it wouldn't suffer"
You really don't have a scooby do you? |
I probably know as much about being the head of B&Q as you do.
I reckon on a day-to-day basis the stores run perfectly fine by themselves without too much intervention from the chairman of the company. I should think the managers just below him can keep things running fairly well if he's ever out of action for a month. |  |
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| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. on 16:41 - Nov 23 with 1356 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. on 16:06 - Nov 23 by BlibbiBlob1976 |
I’m not seeing much incentive for house builders in the Labour approach tbh, so I’m not sure that’s the agenda. |
Wait till Blackrock gets their hands on all the available plots. | |
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| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. on 17:17 - Nov 23 with 1295 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. on 14:44 - Nov 23 by GlasgowBlue |
How do you feel about a business owner who pays most staff well above the living wage, also pays 16 to 20 year olds the 21+ rate from the day they start and during very lean times ensures that their staff are always paid on time whilst the business owner forgoes taking out a single penny in order to keep the company in going?
As for get back to the office. Some people may not enjoy social activity, but most people do and if our town centres die then they will be the first to compalin what a sh1thole their town centre is. A listen to the new Rolling with the Punches highlights how Ipswich has declined and the people interviewed saying how there is nothing to do inIpswich any more. If people are happy to stay in their homes ,ordering everything online and having very little social interaction then society will the the poorer for it.
But your reply has nothing to do with the point being made between a warehouseman and somebody making £millions for a company so I'm not realy sure why you made it other than to get unnecessarily personal.
Getting back to Lucan's point, there is an endless supply of warehousemen (or women) whereas people who can create £milions for a business are few and far between. So they deserve to be paid far more than the warehouseman. That doesn't mean that the warehouseman shouldn't be paid a decent wage.
Would like the courtesy of a reply as you were very quick to get personal with that post. [Post edited 23 Nov 2024 14:51]
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Sounds like you're doing the right thing by your staff so I doff my cap in your general direction.
Re the high street - it's not quite as simple as 'use it or lose it'. High streets have to be offering something worthwhile. I've counted four times in the last year or so where I've gone looking in our high street for certain items, and haven't been able to find them. Literally had no choice but to order online. And that's in London where we're spoilt for choice. A lot of your bog standard high streets these days (outside the capital) just have the same old lowest common denominator consumerist cr@p, and they wonder why people shop online! | |
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| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. on 17:17 - Nov 23 with 1288 views | BlibbiBlob1976 |
| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. on 16:22 - Nov 23 by Benters |
Council houses. |
Who’s building them!!?? | | | |
| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. on 17:18 - Nov 23 with 1284 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. on 14:49 - Nov 23 by GlasgowBlue |
"I reckon I could be the head of B&Q for a month and it wouldn't suffer". Mate, you had to ask a football message board where to buy a fcukin' suit, let alone run a company that turned over £3.85 billion last year. [Post edited 23 Nov 2024 14:50]
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LOL at this when you've just had a pop at J2 for getting personal! | |
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| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. on 17:23 - Nov 23 with 1248 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. on 15:21 - Nov 23 by J2BLUE |
We have always got on well. It was not to get unnecessarily personal, and apologise if it came across like that, but to highlight that you seemed to be supporting the free markets to set wages but in the past you have supported workers being made to return to the office to support local businesses. It has nothing to do with social activity or society being poorer. Most people prepare at least some sort of hybrid role rather than being forced to go to the office.
The people who do the worst jobs are the lowest paid. Most companies and managers seem happiest when treating their workers like glorified serfs. It just annoys me when people talk down the contribution of front line staff who deal with 99% of the sh1t for peanuts. Then to have Lucan describe the minimum wage as generous, it touched a nerve as someone who used to be on crap money doing a crap job and bring treated like sh1t. In most of the jobs I have had the people levels above me were either thick as sh1t or didn't have the first clue about the job they were supposed to be doing. There will never be a direct comparison between what normal workers can do and what a CEO can do. What ratio would you say is fair for the highest and lowest earners in a company?
If you pay peanuts you will get staff who don't care. People generally know if they are being underpaid for the job they do. There is nothing more demoralising than knowing your company is taking the piss.
It's admirable that you pay staff more. You're not the problem and not sure why you're siding with Lucan. Our position doesn't seem that far apart. I apologise again if my post seemed harsh or unfair. It just really touches a nerve when I have worked in sh1t jobs being underpaid and underappreciated and it makes your life an utter misery. Five days a week your life is a misery. Your second day off is dominated by dread of starting another week. I am lucky that I have escaped that. I now work 32 hours a week by choice from my home office. I just feel incredible sympathy and empathy for people who are still in that situation. [Post edited 23 Nov 2024 15:47]
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Well said.
Real Living Wage employers find how beneficial it is to have happy staff, staff who feel valued, and how it actually adds to their business. | |
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| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. on 17:30 - Nov 23 with 1219 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. on 15:52 - Nov 23 by Zapers |
And a sofa🤣 |
I asked for recommendations as I was looking for a specific type (and indeed colour) of sofa, for which I had some good suggestions. Lots of people ask for recommendations on here. That's not the same as not knowing where to buy a sofa.
You really are quite dim aren't you? Was Harry Enfield's Tory Boy based on you? | |
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| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. on 17:34 - Nov 23 with 1207 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. on 16:04 - Nov 23 by J2BLUE |
The CEO of B&Q has probably paid a lot more for a lot less! |
Funny how he's moaned about you getting personal and he's getting right stuck into me here. | |
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