| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. 13:32 - Nov 20 with 33405 views | OldFart71 |
Inflation up and rising. Costs to businesses up. Energy prices going up again in January. Not long ago I paid £68 per month for gas and electricity. In the winter I was able to have my heating on 1-1.1/2 hours in the morning, then again 3 p.m. to 8 p.m. I now pay £85 per month (Just increased by my supplier) and I have it on for two hours at night. Absolutely bonkers. Whilst I admit and I was just as p*ssed off as most people with the Tories, Labour have steam rollered in like a bull in a china shop and now costs are and will keep increasing by more than they needed to. Companies will cut costs by cutting hours or even laying people off. Will put prices up whilst giving lower wage increases. This in turn will lead to workers striking for higher pay. There's a saying "You can't burn the candle at both ends" Labour are trying to put all the ills made by the previous Government in one go. It is too much all at once and is already leading to many sections of our community taking to the streets or totally feed up with a Party that has only been in power a few months. |  | | |  |
| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. on 13:34 - Nov 25 with 1587 views | J2BLUE |
| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. on 13:21 - Nov 25 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
In my experience, executives (of large corps particularly), as well as the CEO is not a job - it’s their life. There’s no holidays, time off, weekends (even evenings) without making yourself available for video calls, phone calls, emails are round the clock - particularly for multinationals where you are across multiple time zones.
That’s not a justification for the wage multiples versus the lowest earners, but the idea that they don’t do much, or it’s an easy gig compared to driving a delivery van and clocking off at the end of the day is frankly absurd. |
How many large corporation CEOs have you known?
I'm not claiming it's easy but I think you're overplaying it there unless it's the start up stage where they are fighting to survive.
With respect, phone calls and emails you can take anywhere isn't the same as Steve who has to stand at the till or stack shelves for 40 hours a week for barely enough money to survive and adds expenses and couple of hours to his work time every day waiting for the bus.
Again, I don't doubt some work hard but having to carry your phone around isn't too difficult.
I have always believed that the definitions of work of those at the top and those at the bottom are very different. The likes of Elon Musk say they work 80 hours a week etc. I would love to see what he does. |  |
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| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. on 13:39 - Nov 25 with 1576 views | J2BLUE |
| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. on 13:32 - Nov 25 by GlasgowBlue |
How much work do they actually do?
"The Job Is All-Consuming
CEOs are always on, and there is always more to be done. The leaders in our study worked 9.7 hours per weekday, on average. They also conducted business on 79% of weekend days, putting in an average of 3.9 hours daily, and on 70% of vacation days, averaging 2.4 hours daily. As these figures show, the CEO’s job is relentless.
About half (47%) of a CEO’s work was done at company headquarters. The rest was conducted while visiting other company locations, meeting external constituencies, commuting, traveling, and at home. Altogether, the CEOs in our study worked an average of 62.5 hours a week.
Why such a grueling schedule? Because it is essential to the role. Every constituency associated with a company wants direct contact with the person at the top. As much as CEOs rely on delegation, they can’t hand off everything. They have to spend at least some time with each constituency in order to provide direction, create alignment, win support, and gather the information needed to make good decisions. Travel is also an absolute must. You can’t run a domestic company, let alone a global one, from headquarters alone. As a CEO, you have to be out and about".
https://hbr.org/2018/07/how-ceos-manage-time |
Fair enough. What is work though?
I don't think you realise how utterly soul destroying most low end jobs are. That was the original point.
I'd rather work 63 hours a week doing CEO things than 40 hours a week in a retail store. | |
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| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. on 13:48 - Nov 25 with 1550 views | giant_stow |
| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. on 13:34 - Nov 25 by J2BLUE |
How many large corporation CEOs have you known?
I'm not claiming it's easy but I think you're overplaying it there unless it's the start up stage where they are fighting to survive.
With respect, phone calls and emails you can take anywhere isn't the same as Steve who has to stand at the till or stack shelves for 40 hours a week for barely enough money to survive and adds expenses and couple of hours to his work time every day waiting for the bus.
Again, I don't doubt some work hard but having to carry your phone around isn't too difficult.
I have always believed that the definitions of work of those at the top and those at the bottom are very different. The likes of Elon Musk say they work 80 hours a week etc. I would love to see what he does. |
I've got a lot of sympathy for what you're saying personally and do believe smaller differentials between wage structures would see a happier society as a whole.
Then again, I've heard of similar to what SuperKieranMcKenna says, even in the public and charity sectors, with senior bosses and managers basically living for the job. Indeed some of my mates have passed up opportunities to move into those sort of roles, exactly because they value their family lives too much to go there.
No idea what point i'm making, other than I can see both sides (boring I know - apologies) |  |
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| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. on 13:53 - Nov 25 with 1526 views | J2BLUE |
| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. on 13:48 - Nov 25 by giant_stow |
I've got a lot of sympathy for what you're saying personally and do believe smaller differentials between wage structures would see a happier society as a whole.
Then again, I've heard of similar to what SuperKieranMcKenna says, even in the public and charity sectors, with senior bosses and managers basically living for the job. Indeed some of my mates have passed up opportunities to move into those sort of roles, exactly because they value their family lives too much to go there.
No idea what point i'm making, other than I can see both sides (boring I know - apologies) |
My last comment for a while as i'm snowed under at work but again, what is work to a CEO?
Calls, emails, meetings...fine. What about golf with a client/supplier rep, shagging your PA, being driven to meetings. first class flights etc. Is that all work too?
I don't doubt CEOs invest a lot of time. I just question how taxing most of it is in comparison to the soul crushing jobs of the average retail/customer service worker*
*If anyone works in retail or CS and enjoys it, good for you. I am only going by my previous experience of being an underpaid retail worker directly dealing with the public. | |
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| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. on 13:58 - Nov 25 with 1510 views | WeWereZombies |
| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. on 13:48 - Nov 25 by giant_stow |
I've got a lot of sympathy for what you're saying personally and do believe smaller differentials between wage structures would see a happier society as a whole.
Then again, I've heard of similar to what SuperKieranMcKenna says, even in the public and charity sectors, with senior bosses and managers basically living for the job. Indeed some of my mates have passed up opportunities to move into those sort of roles, exactly because they value their family lives too much to go there.
No idea what point i'm making, other than I can see both sides (boring I know - apologies) |
I think the point you are making is that some organisations have allowed themselves to revolve around one, or a cohort of, dominant personality. Probably to the detriment of the workers, customers, supplier, even that CEO, when compared to what could be possible in a more balanced approach. |  |
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| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. on 14:03 - Nov 25 with 1475 views | DJR |
| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. on 13:32 - Nov 25 by GlasgowBlue |
How much work do they actually do?
"The Job Is All-Consuming
CEOs are always on, and there is always more to be done. The leaders in our study worked 9.7 hours per weekday, on average. They also conducted business on 79% of weekend days, putting in an average of 3.9 hours daily, and on 70% of vacation days, averaging 2.4 hours daily. As these figures show, the CEO’s job is relentless.
About half (47%) of a CEO’s work was done at company headquarters. The rest was conducted while visiting other company locations, meeting external constituencies, commuting, traveling, and at home. Altogether, the CEOs in our study worked an average of 62.5 hours a week.
Why such a grueling schedule? Because it is essential to the role. Every constituency associated with a company wants direct contact with the person at the top. As much as CEOs rely on delegation, they can’t hand off everything. They have to spend at least some time with each constituency in order to provide direction, create alignment, win support, and gather the information needed to make good decisions. Travel is also an absolute must. You can’t run a domestic company, let alone a global one, from headquarters alone. As a CEO, you have to be out and about".
https://hbr.org/2018/07/how-ceos-manage-time |
Speaking as a lawyer who worked in both the private and public sector, I am not sure I would regard what is said in the opening two paragraphs as particularly relentless.
And I imagine there will be many others, whether running a small business or struggling to make ends meet, who don't work dissimilar hours. [Post edited 25 Nov 2024 14:10]
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| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. on 14:03 - Nov 25 with 1475 views | giant_stow |
| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. on 13:58 - Nov 25 by WeWereZombies |
I think the point you are making is that some organisations have allowed themselves to revolve around one, or a cohort of, dominant personality. Probably to the detriment of the workers, customers, supplier, even that CEO, when compared to what could be possible in a more balanced approach. |
Your is a good point and a little bit cleverer than what I said! I can think of one person in particular who is probably guilty of exactly that though, yes - almost a selfishly willful need to be indispensable. | |
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| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. on 14:05 - Nov 25 with 1452 views | J2BLUE |
| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. on 13:53 - Nov 25 by J2BLUE |
My last comment for a while as i'm snowed under at work but again, what is work to a CEO?
Calls, emails, meetings...fine. What about golf with a client/supplier rep, shagging your PA, being driven to meetings. first class flights etc. Is that all work too?
I don't doubt CEOs invest a lot of time. I just question how taxing most of it is in comparison to the soul crushing jobs of the average retail/customer service worker*
*If anyone works in retail or CS and enjoys it, good for you. I am only going by my previous experience of being an underpaid retail worker directly dealing with the public. |
Oh and one more thing. This really is my last post before logging out.
We can't talk about work without talking about freedom. If you are the CEO you may well have worked your way to the top over 20 years. That's great, but now you can be on £2.5m cash and stock options per year while Dave is still on £25k and struggling to get a pay rise to match inflation.
Only one of them is forced to keep working. One could easily retire. So 63 hours of undefined work versus 40 hours of sh1t work and the CEO is being paid a huge amount of cash and likely stock options as well. Stocks which pay a dividend from profits earnt by the likes of Dave being underpaid.
That's me out. | |
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| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. on 14:14 - Nov 25 with 1420 views | MVBlue |
| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. on 16:25 - Nov 20 by Swansea_Blue |
It's a bit too much to expect them to turn everything around in 6 months; and I don't think it's right to say they're tackling everything at once. They've barely started on some areas (e.g. education, council budgets and plenty more). There's just a LOT that's been disinvested in over a long period of time. The UK is like Towen were under Evans. Maybe Gamechanger could help Labour sort it all about, I'm sure Ashton would like a crack at being PM. |
I know who is helping sort it out, not Gamechanger but BlackRock.
https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/dark-money-investigations/the-blackrock-letters
I'm not sure that its MPs and PMs running the country anymore, I think we were sold out in 2008 to the banks and investment firms and Quangos. Hope i'm wrong. [Post edited 25 Nov 2024 14:18]
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| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. on 14:21 - Nov 25 with 1390 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. on 13:34 - Nov 25 by J2BLUE |
How many large corporation CEOs have you known?
I'm not claiming it's easy but I think you're overplaying it there unless it's the start up stage where they are fighting to survive.
With respect, phone calls and emails you can take anywhere isn't the same as Steve who has to stand at the till or stack shelves for 40 hours a week for barely enough money to survive and adds expenses and couple of hours to his work time every day waiting for the bus.
Again, I don't doubt some work hard but having to carry your phone around isn't too difficult.
I have always believed that the definitions of work of those at the top and those at the bottom are very different. The likes of Elon Musk say they work 80 hours a week etc. I would love to see what he does. |
I don't know anyone close at B&Q level but I am good friends with two CEO's whose companies are around £30m pa level.
I can tell you first hand that they both work their arses off and also that they run a tight ship from top to bottom.
It's a typical TW4TD thread really that some people actually think a CEO job is a walk in the park.
I genuinely didn't think people could be so clueless. |  |
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| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. on 14:40 - Nov 25 with 1342 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. on 14:21 - Nov 25 by Lord_Lucan |
I don't know anyone close at B&Q level but I am good friends with two CEO's whose companies are around £30m pa level.
I can tell you first hand that they both work their arses off and also that they run a tight ship from top to bottom.
It's a typical TW4TD thread really that some people actually think a CEO job is a walk in the park.
I genuinely didn't think people could be so clueless. |
Not sure anyone's said, or even hinted at, it's a walk in the park. |  |
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| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. on 14:58 - Nov 25 with 1327 views | Benters |
| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. on 14:21 - Nov 25 by Lord_Lucan |
I don't know anyone close at B&Q level but I am good friends with two CEO's whose companies are around £30m pa level.
I can tell you first hand that they both work their arses off and also that they run a tight ship from top to bottom.
It's a typical TW4TD thread really that some people actually think a CEO job is a walk in the park.
I genuinely didn't think people could be so clueless. |
They must be doing something right they are always on here! |  |
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| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. on 15:37 - Nov 25 with 1300 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. on 14:40 - Nov 25 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Not sure anyone's said, or even hinted at, it's a walk in the park. |
You have hinted at exactly that.
You actually think you could do it. | |
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| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. on 15:44 - Nov 25 with 1287 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. on 15:37 - Nov 25 by Lord_Lucan |
You have hinted at exactly that.
You actually think you could do it. |
For a few weeks, where I would lean heavily on the managers/experts just below me, and wouldn't make any earth-shattering decisions. I'm pretty sure B&Q would survive that month. | |
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| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. on 21:50 - Nov 25 with 1170 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. on 15:44 - Nov 25 by The_Flashing_Smile |
For a few weeks, where I would lean heavily on the managers/experts just below me, and wouldn't make any earth-shattering decisions. I'm pretty sure B&Q would survive that month. |
What if there was a supplier issue and your monthly sales would be effected. Those suppliers previously have tried it on before but the B&Q owner knew how to handle them before you took temporary reigns..
Would you get on the blower and seek their assistance to sort it out or miss your sales targets for the month? [Post edited 25 Nov 2024 21:56]
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| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. on 21:52 - Nov 25 with 1167 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. on 21:50 - Nov 25 by FrimleyBlue |
What if there was a supplier issue and your monthly sales would be effected. Those suppliers previously have tried it on before but the B&Q owner knew how to handle them before you took temporary reigns..
Would you get on the blower and seek their assistance to sort it out or miss your sales targets for the month? [Post edited 25 Nov 2024 21:56]
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CEOs dont have sales quotas. | | | |
| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. on 21:56 - Nov 25 with 1152 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. on 21:52 - Nov 25 by redrickstuhaart |
CEOs dont have sales quotas. |
The company does.
You know what I meant lol | |
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| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. on 22:14 - Nov 25 with 1132 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. on 21:50 - Nov 25 by FrimleyBlue |
What if there was a supplier issue and your monthly sales would be effected. Those suppliers previously have tried it on before but the B&Q owner knew how to handle them before you took temporary reigns..
Would you get on the blower and seek their assistance to sort it out or miss your sales targets for the month? [Post edited 25 Nov 2024 21:56]
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I very much doubt the CEO gets involved with "supplier issues" but even if they did I imagine the other bosses would know what to do. And even in the worst case scenario and our monthly sales are affected, I still haven't brought the company to its knees.
It's sweet how some of you are inventing these ridiculous scenarios to try and catch me out, but the desperation just highlights even more that the company would be fine. | |
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| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. on 02:23 - Nov 26 with 1047 views | Zapers |
| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. on 13:39 - Nov 25 by J2BLUE |
Fair enough. What is work though?
I don't think you realise how utterly soul destroying most low end jobs are. That was the original point.
I'd rather work 63 hours a week doing CEO things than 40 hours a week in a retail store. |
But it’s not about what you think you can do, it’s what you are capable of doing that counts.
Very few people have the ability to head up a company, certainly one the size of B&Q
I doubt a football forum would be the place to find one! | | | |
| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. on 02:57 - Nov 26 with 1038 views | Zapers |
| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. on 21:52 - Nov 25 by redrickstuhaart |
CEOs dont have sales quotas. |
Nonsense, you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.
Who do you think the sales managers report to, the sales director. And who does the sales director report to, yes the CEO.
The CEO of a company is ultimately responsible for every single moving part of a company.
The buck stops with the CEO, it’s a hugely demanding and stressful position. | | | |
| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. on 04:40 - Nov 26 with 1002 views | Benters |
| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. on 21:52 - Nov 25 by redrickstuhaart |
CEOs dont have sales quotas. |
Don’t they ?
All the business owners I’ve met in my long time on this place we call Earth are blooming hard working and are obsessed with the figures.
You lead from the top matey. | |
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| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. on 04:45 - Nov 26 with 1000 views | Benters |
| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. on 14:05 - Nov 25 by J2BLUE |
Oh and one more thing. This really is my last post before logging out.
We can't talk about work without talking about freedom. If you are the CEO you may well have worked your way to the top over 20 years. That's great, but now you can be on £2.5m cash and stock options per year while Dave is still on £25k and struggling to get a pay rise to match inflation.
Only one of them is forced to keep working. One could easily retire. So 63 hours of undefined work versus 40 hours of sh1t work and the CEO is being paid a huge amount of cash and likely stock options as well. Stocks which pay a dividend from profits earnt by the likes of Dave being underpaid.
That's me out. |
Because that’s how it is and it’s always the way it will be.
Work hard you get rewarded. | |
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| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. on 08:12 - Nov 26 with 941 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. on 22:14 - Nov 25 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I very much doubt the CEO gets involved with "supplier issues" but even if they did I imagine the other bosses would know what to do. And even in the worst case scenario and our monthly sales are affected, I still haven't brought the company to its knees.
It's sweet how some of you are inventing these ridiculous scenarios to try and catch me out, but the desperation just highlights even more that the company would be fine. |
OK I'll ask it another way.
You've been one of many plaudits of mark ashton and his running of the club.
If you can easily take over the running of B&Q I take it you could easily run itfc?
If that's the case then really these plaudits of ashton are OTT as you're basically saying he's not that important and the club would run itself without him.
No?
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| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. on 08:24 - Nov 26 with 921 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Good Old Labour increasing the price of everything. on 02:57 - Nov 26 by Zapers |
Nonsense, you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.
Who do you think the sales managers report to, the sales director. And who does the sales director report to, yes the CEO.
The CEO of a company is ultimately responsible for every single moving part of a company.
The buck stops with the CEO, it’s a hugely demanding and stressful position. |
But the CEO doesn't have the sales quotas, the sales managers do. | |
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