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So Louise Haigh is a wrongun 06:42 - Nov 29 with 6013 views

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Who'd have thought it eh?

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So Louise Haigh is a wrongun on 22:48 - Nov 29 with 795 views

GlasgowBlue

So Louise Haigh is a wrongun on 20:28 - Nov 29 by WestStanderLaLaLa
Like a Tory minister would resign within 12 hours of a story breaking. Let alone one where they only received a conditional discharge which has been spent for 10 years.

You think she had a choice in the matter?

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So Louise Haigh is a wrongun on 23:03 - Nov 29 with 782 views

WestStanderLaLaLa

So Louise Haigh is a wrongun on 22:48 - Nov 29 by GlasgowBlue
You think she had a choice in the matter?

No.
Edit: actually there’s always a choice, but if she has fallen out of favour with Starmer and therefore no way back to the top table, she could have stuck her heels in. But that’s separate to my point.

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So Louise Haigh is a wrongun on 09:37 - Nov 30 with 624 views

Zapers

So Louise Haigh is a wrongun on 10:36 - Nov 29 by The_Flashing_Smile

You didn't mention both though did you? You went for the jugular intimating that she might have fraudulently tried to get a new phone (even though we don't as yet have proof)... no mention of how awful it is that she got mugged in the first place.

The way the press have gone at this (and you seem to have echoed) is that trying to get a new phone for free (if that was the case) is a worse crime than a woman being mugged. It's almost like it doesn't matter when it's a politician - let's find the thing SHE did wrong and hound her out of (another) job!

I'm not saying you're unsympathetic to that, and you're certainly not the only one, it just seems, as I said, the focus is on the GOTCHA! for a politician, and very little is said about the crime that led to it.

And where have you mentioned that she was convicted of a fraud offense?

No, you have just taken the convenient victim route, because it suits your bias.

Understandable because on any thread criticizing the labour party, you immediately run to the rescue using your usual wriggle tactic of trying to lay the blame on something else. or someone else.

Wouldn't you find it easier sometimes to be honest, admitting that yes, they effed up.

So Louise Haigh is a wrongun on 09:54 - Nov 30 with 604 views

Kievthegreat

There is something at the heart of this story that doesn’t add up, legally speaking. Quick fraud lecture for y’all. 🧵
— The Secret Barrister (@barristersecret.bsky.social) 2024-11-29T23:35:07.053Z

Thread with some of the legal points on fraud explained.

Worth reading the full thread, but some key points:

She claims it was an honest mistake, but she plead guilty. Said guilt requires her to admit "the dishonest making of a false statement, intending to make a gain for oneself". You can't admit that whilst claiming it was an honest mistake. Guilty pleas are unequivocal confession that you committed the crime.

Why would a solicitor advise her to plead guilty when based on her statements she had a valid defence? I mean if someone nicked my bag and I told them what they thought was in it, misremembering is not a criminal offence. Honestly it's extremely believable that someone would have thought they had something but actually left it at home. You only have to provide reasonable doubt that you were intent of committing fraud. It's a low bar to clear. Unless of course there is more evidence of your wrong doing than you're letting on in the public statements.

So Louise Haigh is a wrongun on 10:33 - Nov 30 with 569 views

Churchman

There is lot of smoke and mirrors about this. Three links that may or may not work.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/11/29/how-labour-insiders-trying-depos

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/nov/29/louise-haigh-told-to-quit-by-no

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/louise-haighs-resignation-raises-questions-f

The problem is the truth. What is it? I noticed a poster on here suggested Starmer needs to manage Labour’s comms better. What is better? Burying the bad news? Telling more convincing lies? Not tweaking a CV from bank clerk to economist? A Foreign Secretary saying nice things about Trump when he clearly loathes him (don’t we all?).

As it stands the current government have a long way to go to match the gloomy disgraceful depths the previous scum plunged to, but when Starmer talked about standards in government he needs to really mean it and hold to it. No exclusions, no justifications, massaging the truth or weak excuses over free tickets for Taylor Swift and the Arsenal - or second chances such as the Tories gave Priti Patel.

It’s not been a great start but they’ve plenty of time to get their act together.

So Louise Haigh is a wrongun on 11:21 - Nov 30 with 530 views

The_Flashing_Smile

So Louise Haigh is a wrongun on 09:37 - Nov 30 by Zapers

I've referenced it at least 4 times. But regardless, that's the focus of the story everywhere - why would I need to mention it when that's what everyone's already talking about. Why would I need to "admit" she effed up - she's admitted that herself! I'm highlighting the other side of the story (that ISN'T getting the focus) that a woman got mugged - simply because in everyone's bloodlust at catching out an MP they don't seem too bothered by that side.

It's nothing to do with her being Labour. Whether you believe it or not, we don't all follow your own low standards. It's literally because I'm annoyed that a woman got mugged and the focus has been entirely on what she did wrong. And that's justified, apparently, because she's a politician and they're fair game. Not a Labour politician, just a politician. And a woman.