| So Louise Haigh is a wrongun 06:42 - Nov 29 with 5997 views | bluelagos |
Who'd have thought it eh?
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| So Louise Haigh is a wrongun on 09:45 - Nov 29 with 1297 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| So Louise Haigh is a wrongun on 09:30 - Nov 29 by Trequartista |
I had those same thoughts on my mind when reading the story I have to admit, but it sounds like more than a mistake reading the whole piece. She was convicted of an offence which is not a mistake, it's a deliberate action (trying to get a new phone by not admitting her original phone was not stolen). She was even sacked by her employer.
And "Under the advice of my solicitor I pleaded guilty", come on, you're a former police officer, you know exactly how it works. [Post edited 29 Nov 2024 9:32]
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You seem hung up on the possibility that she's gamed the system to get a new phone... no word or focus (much like the press) on the fact that a woman got mugged. And now, through getting mugged, she's lost two jobs (one a high ranking one in government).
The focus is just all wrong. |  |
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| So Louise Haigh is a wrongun on 09:46 - Nov 29 with 1296 views | ElderGrizzly |
| So Louise Haigh is a wrongun on 09:37 - Nov 29 by weepingx2018 |
its an utterly ludicrous resignation. the polar opposite of the tories. what really did she do wrong?? the right wing media which prevails in this country will be loving it. |
Especially when you compare it to Tory non-resignations for much more serious indiscretions.
Starmer can, whether it is right here or not is moot, he isn't standing for any kind of 'issue' in his cabinet and can directly go at the Tories with that.
If this was a Tory minister, they'd have denied being there, deny phones existed and then at the end say, "oh yeah, it was an oversight" and I was ambushed by circumstances. |  | | |
| So Louise Haigh is a wrongun on 09:46 - Nov 29 with 1292 views | itfcjoe |
| So Louise Haigh is a wrongun on 09:27 - Nov 29 by Churchman |
On the face of it I agree. Looks like political expediency to me.
But the story doesn’t make much sense. There’s either nothing in it or more to be revealed. Not that you can believe what the press write. Aviva were investigating loss of phones, wrongly advised by a solicitor, police, P&O ferries, politics, Starmer? [Post edited 29 Nov 2024 11:08]
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Fact that it got to court and CPS pushed for that makes you think there was more to it than just forgetting to declare she had found it |  |
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| So Louise Haigh is a wrongun on 09:49 - Nov 29 with 1274 views | itfcjoe |
He's right though, Labour's 'storytelling' has been dreadful post election, their comms has been so poor | |
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| So Louise Haigh is a wrongun on 09:55 - Nov 29 with 1238 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| So Louise Haigh is a wrongun on 09:25 - Nov 29 by Lord_Lucan |
She was originally caught out by an internal investigation by her employers Aviva. |
SHE WORKED FOR SCUM SPONSORING AVIVA!!!
That changes everything!
Haigh out! |  | | |
| So Louise Haigh is a wrongun on 09:57 - Nov 29 with 1225 views | Help |
| So Louise Haigh is a wrongun on 09:24 - Nov 29 by ElderGrizzly |
Well no, but it was amusing seeing him storming off in a huff when questioned about it yesterday with a bizarre rebuttal that he (Farage) has 1 million TikTok subscribers.
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| So Louise Haigh is a wrongun on 09:59 - Nov 29 with 1220 views | oldbeardy |
Anyone else find it odd that the police apparently had the time and resource to follow up on a ping from a phone and then rather than just checking whether there had been a mistake, conduct an interview with a lawyer present. Maybe it's standard procedure. I suppose it could easily have been a fraudulent claim but even so. | | | |
| So Louise Haigh is a wrongun on 10:04 - Nov 29 with 1200 views | Trequartista |
| So Louise Haigh is a wrongun on 09:45 - Nov 29 by The_Flashing_Smile |
You seem hung up on the possibility that she's gamed the system to get a new phone... no word or focus (much like the press) on the fact that a woman got mugged. And now, through getting mugged, she's lost two jobs (one a high ranking one in government).
The focus is just all wrong. |
I think it's possible to both sympathise with and criticise the two separate actions i.e. being mugged deserves sympathy but not carte blanche to commit criminal acts in response. |  |
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| So Louise Haigh is a wrongun on 10:12 - Nov 29 with 1169 views | baxterbasics |
Come on, you know if you are mugged if they took your phone or not. This was no oversight or 'forgetting' - I'm comfortable in concluding she did use the situation to her advantage to get a bonus phone out of her employer.
That said, she had already fessed up and faced the consequences, so not sure about how much it matters today, or if it should really be a resigning matter. This is less clear. |  |
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| So Louise Haigh is a wrongun on 10:36 - Nov 29 with 1123 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| So Louise Haigh is a wrongun on 10:04 - Nov 29 by Trequartista |
I think it's possible to both sympathise with and criticise the two separate actions i.e. being mugged deserves sympathy but not carte blanche to commit criminal acts in response. |
You didn't mention both though did you? You went for the jugular intimating that she might have fraudulently tried to get a new phone (even though we don't as yet have proof)... no mention of how awful it is that she got mugged in the first place.
The way the press have gone at this (and you seem to have echoed) is that trying to get a new phone for free (if that was the case) is a worse crime than a woman being mugged. It's almost like it doesn't matter when it's a politician - let's find the thing SHE did wrong and hound her out of (another) job!
I'm not saying you're unsympathetic to that, and you're certainly not the only one, it just seems, as I said, the focus is on the GOTCHA! for a politician, and very little is said about the crime that led to it. | |
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| So Louise Haigh is a wrongun on 10:39 - Nov 29 with 1102 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| So Louise Haigh is a wrongun on 10:12 - Nov 29 by baxterbasics |
Come on, you know if you are mugged if they took your phone or not. This was no oversight or 'forgetting' - I'm comfortable in concluding she did use the situation to her advantage to get a bonus phone out of her employer.
That said, she had already fessed up and faced the consequences, so not sure about how much it matters today, or if it should really be a resigning matter. This is less clear. |
If they stole her handbag (or a bigger bag) there could be all sorts of stuff in there. And after presumably being a bit shaken up after being mugged, it's very easy to not remember exactly which items they were.
Another one looking for a politician GOTCHA! who seemingly thinks a woman being mugged is nothing. Disgusting. | |
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| So Louise Haigh is a wrongun on 10:40 - Nov 29 with 1098 views | GlasgowBlue |
| So Louise Haigh is a wrongun on 09:37 - Nov 29 by weepingx2018 |
its an utterly ludicrous resignation. the polar opposite of the tories. what really did she do wrong?? the right wing media which prevails in this country will be loving it. |
I’ve done quite well on the TWTD Bingo card for this one. I had Dolly down to be the first to defend a Labour MP. I had “Tory whatabouterry”, so thanks for that one, and I had “Starmer’s purge of the left”.
Grizzers has thrown a curve ball with is “deflect the story onto Farage”. Didn’t have that one on my card. |  |
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| So Louise Haigh is a wrongun on 10:51 - Nov 29 with 1088 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| So Louise Haigh is a wrongun on 10:40 - Nov 29 by GlasgowBlue |
I’ve done quite well on the TWTD Bingo card for this one. I had Dolly down to be the first to defend a Labour MP. I had “Tory whatabouterry”, so thanks for that one, and I had “Starmer’s purge of the left”.
Grizzers has thrown a curve ball with is “deflect the story onto Farage”. Didn’t have that one on my card. |
I'm actually defending a woman who's been mugged, and the fact that the press have barely reported that bit of the story.
My posting here is not the defence of a Labour MP - it's an attack on the disgusting press and gutter politics that you love so much (hence your 'look at me' point scoring here). | |
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| So Louise Haigh is a wrongun on 11:01 - Nov 29 with 1058 views | Pinewoodblue |
| So Louise Haigh is a wrongun on 10:12 - Nov 29 by baxterbasics |
Come on, you know if you are mugged if they took your phone or not. This was no oversight or 'forgetting' - I'm comfortable in concluding she did use the situation to her advantage to get a bonus phone out of her employer.
That said, she had already fessed up and faced the consequences, so not sure about how much it matters today, or if it should really be a resigning matter. This is less clear. |
Assuming, as for as your first paragraph is concerned, you are sober.
Not sure it is a resigning matter, unless there is more to it than already dug up. Makes you wonder if this information was unknown when she was first selected as a parliamentary candidate. |  |
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| So Louise Haigh is a wrongun on 11:17 - Nov 29 with 1040 views | soupytwist |
| So Louise Haigh is a wrongun on 09:59 - Nov 29 by oldbeardy |
Anyone else find it odd that the police apparently had the time and resource to follow up on a ping from a phone and then rather than just checking whether there had been a mistake, conduct an interview with a lawyer present. Maybe it's standard procedure. I suppose it could easily have been a fraudulent claim but even so. |
"It was in 2013 so they weren't busy trying to work out who had posted hurty words on social media." © The Gammonati.
But yes, if I went into my local nick this afternoon and said that my phone had been stolen and a few months later it was switched on I'd be very surprised to be asked to go back to the station. Presumably its location was tracked to the address she gave as her residence so they assumed it was her. [Post edited 29 Nov 2024 11:18]
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| So Louise Haigh is a wrongun on 11:25 - Nov 29 with 1025 views | GlasgowBlue |
This made me laugh.
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| So Louise Haigh is a wrongun on 11:29 - Nov 29 with 1009 views | Benters |
| So Louise Haigh is a wrongun on 11:25 - Nov 29 by GlasgowBlue |
This made me laugh.
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| So Louise Haigh is a wrongun on 11:31 - Nov 29 with 1008 views | Swansea_Blue |
They need someone to steer the conversation. Their strategy and messaging has been awful since they came in; naive at best. What's Alastair Campbell up to these days, lol? |  |
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| So Louise Haigh is a wrongun on 20:19 - Nov 29 with 800 views | brazil1982 |
If this was a Conservative Minister you lot would be dribbling all over it. |  | | |
| So Louise Haigh is a wrongun on 20:26 - Nov 29 with 796 views | Swansea_Blue |
| So Louise Haigh is a wrongun on 20:19 - Nov 29 by brazil1982 |
If this was a Conservative Minister you lot would be dribbling all over it. |
I doubt it. Things were coming in so thick and fast under the last lot, this would barely have made a column inch on page 18. | |
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| So Louise Haigh is a wrongun on 20:28 - Nov 29 with 797 views | WestStanderLaLaLa |
| So Louise Haigh is a wrongun on 20:19 - Nov 29 by brazil1982 |
If this was a Conservative Minister you lot would be dribbling all over it. |
Like a Tory minister would resign within 12 hours of a story breaking. Let alone one where they only received a conditional discharge which has been spent for 10 years. |  |
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| So Louise Haigh is a wrongun on 20:47 - Nov 29 with 764 views | DJR |
This from the Guardian.
Multiple sources said Morgan McSweeney, Keir Starmer’s chief of staff, delivered the message to the UK transport secretary on Thursday night that it would be best for her to resign. |  | | |
| So Louise Haigh is a wrongun on 20:51 - Nov 29 with 752 views | DJR |
| So Louise Haigh is a wrongun on 11:31 - Nov 29 by Swansea_Blue |
They need someone to steer the conversation. Their strategy and messaging has been awful since they came in; naive at best. What's Alastair Campbell up to these days, lol? |
McSweeney played a big part in terms of messaging that got them into power, but I don't get the impression he has been so good when it comes to messaging when actually in government, something that Campbell was very good at.
Maybe focus groups only get you so far particularly in the fast moving world of being in government.
Having said that, perhaps more of the blame attaches to Reeves who has announced policies without the full implications being considered. [Post edited 29 Nov 2024 21:07]
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| So Louise Haigh is a wrongun on 22:19 - Nov 29 with 688 views | Trequartista |
| So Louise Haigh is a wrongun on 10:36 - Nov 29 by The_Flashing_Smile |
You didn't mention both though did you? You went for the jugular intimating that she might have fraudulently tried to get a new phone (even though we don't as yet have proof)... no mention of how awful it is that she got mugged in the first place.
The way the press have gone at this (and you seem to have echoed) is that trying to get a new phone for free (if that was the case) is a worse crime than a woman being mugged. It's almost like it doesn't matter when it's a politician - let's find the thing SHE did wrong and hound her out of (another) job!
I'm not saying you're unsympathetic to that, and you're certainly not the only one, it just seems, as I said, the focus is on the GOTCHA! for a politician, and very little is said about the crime that led to it. |
Well I did because the first thing i said was "I had those same thoughts on my mind when reading the story" i.e. your post which said "No-one seems bothered that a woman was mugged" | |
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| So Louise Haigh is a wrongun on 22:35 - Nov 29 with 743 views | Lord_Lucan |
| So Louise Haigh is a wrongun on 11:31 - Nov 29 by Swansea_Blue |
They need someone to steer the conversation. Their strategy and messaging has been awful since they came in; naive at best. What's Alastair Campbell up to these days, lol? |
With a bit of luck he's finally in prison. |  |
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