| Zelenskyy temporarily giving up land to Russia for NATO membership? 18:39 - Nov 29 with 3026 views | GavTWTD |
https://news.sky.com/story/zelenskyy-suggests-hes-prepared-to-end-ukraine-war-in
Zelenskyy suggests he's prepared to end Ukraine war in return for NATO membership, even if Russia doesn't immediately return seized land
The Ukrainian president told Sky News's chief correspondent Stuart Ramsay NATO membership would have to be offered to unoccupied parts of the country in order to end the "hot phase of the war", as long as the NATO invitation itself recognises Ukraine's internationally recognised borders. |  |
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| Zelenskyy temporarily giving up land to Russia for NATO membership? on 14:05 - Nov 30 with 508 views | orfordbuoy |
| Zelenskyy temporarily giving up land to Russia for NATO membership? on 13:58 - Nov 30 by AndrewRatcliffITFC |
The Donbas was a war zone with thousands of civilians dead and over 1.5 million people displaced for years before Russia invaded specifically between the revolution in 2014 and 2022. Question, do you think there should be a settlement for the Ukrainians who are of Ethnic Russian background or do you follow the right wing perspective that they should be removed from Ukraine? |
that is a GlaVset copy and paste, Igor. |  | | |
| Zelenskyy temporarily giving up land to Russia for NATO membership? on 14:12 - Nov 30 with 467 views | StokieBlue |
| Zelenskyy temporarily giving up land to Russia for NATO membership? on 13:58 - Nov 30 by AndrewRatcliffITFC |
The Donbas was a war zone with thousands of civilians dead and over 1.5 million people displaced for years before Russia invaded specifically between the revolution in 2014 and 2022. Question, do you think there should be a settlement for the Ukrainians who are of Ethnic Russian background or do you follow the right wing perspective that they should be removed from Ukraine? |
What a strange post.
Nobody has said anything about Ukrainians being removed from Ukraine. You seem to respond to points which aren't made whilst ignoring those that are.
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| Zelenskyy temporarily giving up land to Russia for NATO membership? on 14:16 - Nov 30 with 450 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Zelenskyy temporarily giving up land to Russia for NATO membership? on 13:58 - Nov 30 by AndrewRatcliffITFC |
The Donbas was a war zone with thousands of civilians dead and over 1.5 million people displaced for years before Russia invaded specifically between the revolution in 2014 and 2022. Question, do you think there should be a settlement for the Ukrainians who are of Ethnic Russian background or do you follow the right wing perspective that they should be removed from Ukraine? |
Yes from 2014, using Russian weaponry and soldiers with their insignia removed. The same weapons used to shoot down a passenger jet. A conflict stirred up by Russia, as they are now doing in Georgia and Moldova. There need be no settlement now, the minority of pro-Putin in the Donbas will now be part of his violent, authoritarian, and poor Russia.
It seems you are happy to follow the Putin kool-aid. Question back to you, was hitler justified invading Czechoslovakia to ‘free the oppressed ethnic Germans’? |  | | |
| Zelenskyy temporarily giving up land to Russia for NATO membership? on 14:17 - Nov 30 with 442 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Zelenskyy temporarily giving up land to Russia for NATO membership? on 14:12 - Nov 30 by StokieBlue |
What a strange post.
Nobody has said anything about Ukrainians being removed from Ukraine. You seem to respond to points which aren't made whilst ignoring those that are.
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Must be a slow day in Vladivostok. | | | |
| Zelenskyy temporarily giving up land to Russia for NATO membership? on 14:19 - Nov 30 with 438 views | Churchman |
| Zelenskyy temporarily giving up land to Russia for NATO membership? on 13:58 - Nov 30 by AndrewRatcliffITFC |
The Donbas was a war zone with thousands of civilians dead and over 1.5 million people displaced for years before Russia invaded specifically between the revolution in 2014 and 2022. Question, do you think there should be a settlement for the Ukrainians who are of Ethnic Russian background or do you follow the right wing perspective that they should be removed from Ukraine? |
I gather the Russians did the old trick of flooding ‘disputed areas’ with its own people to legitimise its antics. It’s a good one done by many a dictator in the past.
Who is where and who goes where is pretty much irrelevant. Putin will exterminate or move out anyone who doesn’t fit the Russian criteria. Why wouldn’t he?
The pre 2014 borders were drawn up with the break up of the Soviet Union. US, U.K. and Russia guaranteed Ukraine’s security and borders in exchange for nuclear weapons. Putin laughed and trampled all over that agreement with Crimea then this dreadful war. Utterly shameful by US and U.K. to allow this to happen. The west appeased and will appease again.
Dictators feed off weakness, so it doesn’t matter who is where. Putin will decide who goes where, who lives who dies. He will sign any bits of paper with a crocodile smile and ignore them as he’s done before. Still it’ll give something for some tooth sucking worthy to wave outside a Lockheed Electra mumbling ‘peace in out time’. |  | | |
| Zelenskyy temporarily giving up land to Russia for NATO membership? on 14:32 - Nov 30 with 403 views | lightuser |
| Zelenskyy temporarily giving up land to Russia for NATO membership? on 11:56 - Nov 30 by GlasgowBlue |
Trump would be shot before he was allowed to walk away from NATO. |
Interestingly (surprisingly), Trump's foreign policy picks seem to be all "adults" and pro Ukraine.
In general, non US Nato counties are now spending more on defence and have also provided more financial support to Ukraine, than the US. So, it may be enough to mollify him.
Anyway, I am more hopeful for Ukraine/NATO now than I was before his picks. Fingers crossed... | | | |
| Zelenskyy temporarily giving up land to Russia for NATO membership? on 14:35 - Nov 30 with 391 views | mellowblue |
| Zelenskyy temporarily giving up land to Russia for NATO membership? on 14:16 - Nov 30 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
Yes from 2014, using Russian weaponry and soldiers with their insignia removed. The same weapons used to shoot down a passenger jet. A conflict stirred up by Russia, as they are now doing in Georgia and Moldova. There need be no settlement now, the minority of pro-Putin in the Donbas will now be part of his violent, authoritarian, and poor Russia.
It seems you are happy to follow the Putin kool-aid. Question back to you, was hitler justified invading Czechoslovakia to ‘free the oppressed ethnic Germans’? |
The Sudetenland containing 3.5 m German speakers was a negotiated settlement, a fait accompli foisted on the Czechs, no invasion was involved. That came later when the rump of the Czech part was seized as a "protectorate". Slovakia broke away and allied itself to Germany as a price for it's independance. | | | |
| Zelenskyy temporarily giving up land to Russia for NATO membership? on 14:42 - Nov 30 with 377 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| Zelenskyy temporarily giving up land to Russia for NATO membership? on 11:41 - Nov 30 by Churchman |
Some stats
https://www.statista.com/statistics/584286/number-of-military-personnel-in-nato-
Without the US and any serious political will, I’d suggested NATO is stone dead. By political will take for example U.K.- defence cuts this year and more to come. Not serious, not interested. Let’s have a review next year. Sending just the message Putin wants to hear. Bet he’s laughing his head off as he mangles his caviar on toast.
Does anyone seriously think people from Turkey, Greece or anywhere else come to that are going to rush to the aid of Poland, Finland and the Baltics without the US behind them?
What remains if NATO goes into the bin isn’t nothing, but it certainly isn’t anything for Putin to lose sleep over. Should Trump do what I think he might, the only question is who first. My money is on Poland. Everyone’s favourite meal throughout history. Russia has had 10 goes in 300 years and sees it as theirs. |
You are missing the point that Russia has next to nothing left, in conventional warfare terms, and Europe has plenty.
The most interesting aspect of the last month, strategically, in the war is that Russia requested help from North Korea.
North Korean troops currently occupy part of Russia.
But they didn't ask, or maybe they did but didn't receive help from, Belarus. Why is that? | | | |
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| Zelenskyy temporarily giving up land to Russia for NATO membership? on 12:17 - Dec 1 with 266 views | bluejacko |
Tha NATO charter will not allow Ukraine to join NATO while it is still in a war and has territory occupied by an aggressor obviously if it was allowed Ukraine could then invoke Article 5 and draw NATO into the shooting war!
Incidentally all this talk about America and NATO who is the only country to actually invoke article 5? Yep America after the twin towers! | | | |
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