| Rumours from the Man City end that that they have a 30mil buyback clause 09:48 - Dec 31 with 6331 views | bluesym |
For Delap....
Nonsense,surely? |  |
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| Rumours from the Man City end that that they have a 30mil buyback clause on 11:17 - Dec 31 with 1581 views | StokieBlue |
| Rumours from the Man City end that that they have a 30mil buyback clause on 10:50 - Dec 31 by Zapers |
Of course it’s pure speculation by SB.
But that’s not unusual |
It's informed speculation on out outgoings and incomings based on the limited information we have. Some of it is speculative but with the formula one can provide a range of values to form a picture.
You really offer very little of value to this forum, just constantly sniping at other posters while pointing at others and claiming that is what they do.
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| Rumours from the Man City end that that they have a 30mil buyback clause on 12:37 - Dec 31 with 1481 views | Zapers |
| Rumours from the Man City end that that they have a 30mil buyback clause on 11:17 - Dec 31 by StokieBlue |
It's informed speculation on out outgoings and incomings based on the limited information we have. Some of it is speculative but with the formula one can provide a range of values to form a picture.
You really offer very little of value to this forum, just constantly sniping at other posters while pointing at others and claiming that is what they do.
SB |
“Informed speculation”
What precisely is that! None of us know what his position is with the club.
Without any facts to hand, it can only be speculation.
Guesswork doesn’t mean jack shyte. |  | | |
| Rumours from the Man City end that that they have a 30mil buyback clause on 12:46 - Dec 31 with 1462 views | NthQldITFC |
| Rumours from the Man City end that that they have a 30mil buyback clause on 12:37 - Dec 31 by Zapers |
“Informed speculation”
What precisely is that! None of us know what his position is with the club.
Without any facts to hand, it can only be speculation.
Guesswork doesn’t mean jack shyte. |
A great philosopher once wrote, "I don't know what informed speculation is." |  |
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| Rumours from the Man City end that that they have a 30mil buyback clause on 13:16 - Dec 31 with 1403 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Rumours from the Man City end that that they have a 30mil buyback clause on 09:59 - Dec 31 by StokieBlue |
Would seem rather strange.
Assuming we paid 20m and they triggered after one year then:
Profit = 30m - ((52 * S) + 20m + C)
Where:
S = Weekly Salary
C = Unknown costs - bonuses, agent fees etc
Then in reality if his salary is above 30000 per week (probable) then the profit for Town is less than 8m if we assume C = 0 but in reality C is probably quite a large number.
I don't think Ashton would go for a deal with such a limited upside. For instance, using the above equation and a salary of 30000, if they triggered it in 3 years and assuming C grows each year from the above we might only be looking at a few million profit. Longer than that and we might only break even although I assume any buy back would be time limited.
I think we probably have to wait and see what happens as there doesn't seem to be a leak about this contract detail from the Town side. I think the last info from Rommers stated it was a matching clause rather than buy back.
SB |
That kind of calc ignores an important point though that if Man City are looking to activate a buyback, then we must have benefitted from Delap proving a quality asset… (which obviously he has)
And including his wages ignores that if we’re not signing Delap then we’d have to sign and pay someone else
Obviously none of us have any idea what terms there are, if there even are any, but it’s not impossible that it could be a low figure given what City actually wanting to activate it would mean |  |
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| Rumours from the Man City end that that they have a 30mil buyback clause on 13:35 - Dec 31 with 1353 views | Vic |
| Rumours from the Man City end that that they have a 30mil buyback clause on 10:27 - Dec 31 by ibbleobble |
Zzzz….
For the record it’s if we decide to sell him, they get first refusal. Nothing more. Move on. The idea they could just buy him back for £30m a hilarious! |
Thanks Ibble - glad someone on here knows the facts.
Just for the record and transparency - any possibility you could drop us the source of that def info? Cheers mate. |  |
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| Rumours from the Man City end that that they have a 30mil buyback clause on 14:29 - Dec 31 with 1292 views | StokieBlue |
| Rumours from the Man City end that that they have a 30mil buyback clause on 12:37 - Dec 31 by Zapers |
“Informed speculation”
What precisely is that! None of us know what his position is with the club.
Without any facts to hand, it can only be speculation.
Guesswork doesn’t mean jack shyte. |
One can simulate scenarios based on known variables and movement of unknown variables to create an overall picture of how it may look.
It's used all the time in modelling, a kind of very simplistic monte-carlo simulation.
It's clearly not fully accurate but it's also not complete nonsense like you're implying. It's also interesting to speculate on those variables and see what the outcome may be depending on what they are. You don't find it interesting but that doesn't mean you have to resort to your MO and just have a pop at posters.
Once again your contribution to this thread is to solely have a go at other posters, you've offered no opinion or insight on the actual subject being discussed. Lovely way to start 2025.
Happy New Year.
SB [Post edited 31 Dec 2024 14:31]
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| Rumours from the Man City end that that they have a 30mil buyback clause on 15:03 - Dec 31 with 1209 views | Zapers |
| Rumours from the Man City end that that they have a 30mil buyback clause on 14:29 - Dec 31 by StokieBlue |
One can simulate scenarios based on known variables and movement of unknown variables to create an overall picture of how it may look.
It's used all the time in modelling, a kind of very simplistic monte-carlo simulation.
It's clearly not fully accurate but it's also not complete nonsense like you're implying. It's also interesting to speculate on those variables and see what the outcome may be depending on what they are. You don't find it interesting but that doesn't mean you have to resort to your MO and just have a pop at posters.
Once again your contribution to this thread is to solely have a go at other posters, you've offered no opinion or insight on the actual subject being discussed. Lovely way to start 2025.
Happy New Year.
SB [Post edited 31 Dec 2024 14:31]
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Delap is our player, and hopefully will remain our player.
I’m confident he won’t be sold in January unless the offer was crazy.
Even then I doubt it because he’s probably not replaceable.
Stop your silly informed speculation, we want to keep him.
Happy New calmer year SB
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| Rumours from the Man City end that that they have a 30mil buyback clause on 15:14 - Dec 31 with 1171 views | Wickets |
| Rumours from the Man City end that that they have a 30mil buyback clause on 10:06 - Dec 31 by Marshalls_Mullet |
Unfortunately, no one seems to know the true story. |
Yes some quoting as what they want to be as gospel . |  | | |
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| Rumours from the Man City end that that they have a 30mil buyback clause on 17:27 - Dec 31 with 1068 views | acj |
| Rumours from the Man City end that that they have a 30mil buyback clause on 10:17 - Dec 31 by StokieBlue |
It's not really speculating, it's just simple analysis to show that at a 30m figure we basically get no money after a certain point.
Agree that nobody seems to know what the clause is.
SB |
Of course, there is one other important variable which that formula leaves out: if Delap helps to keep us up, then that is worth 100m in PL TV money for another year. You can't attribute all of that to Liam, as just one part of the team, but if it's his goals that get us across the line then the transfer had massive value to the club, regardless of any profit/loss on pure fees and wages, etc. |  |
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| Rumours from the Man City end that that they have a 30mil buyback clause on 17:31 - Dec 31 with 1047 views | StokieBlue |
| Rumours from the Man City end that that they have a 30mil buyback clause on 17:27 - Dec 31 by acj |
Of course, there is one other important variable which that formula leaves out: if Delap helps to keep us up, then that is worth 100m in PL TV money for another year. You can't attribute all of that to Liam, as just one part of the team, but if it's his goals that get us across the line then the transfer had massive value to the club, regardless of any profit/loss on pure fees and wages, etc. |
Totally agree that should be factored in and to be honest it probably more than enough outside of any other profit we make.
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| Rumours from the Man City end that that they have a 30mil buyback clause on 17:47 - Dec 31 with 969 views | gtsb1966 |
| Rumours from the Man City end that that they have a 30mil buyback clause on 09:59 - Dec 31 by StokieBlue |
Would seem rather strange.
Assuming we paid 20m and they triggered after one year then:
Profit = 30m - ((52 * S) + 20m + C)
Where:
S = Weekly Salary
C = Unknown costs - bonuses, agent fees etc
Then in reality if his salary is above 30000 per week (probable) then the profit for Town is less than 8m if we assume C = 0 but in reality C is probably quite a large number.
I don't think Ashton would go for a deal with such a limited upside. For instance, using the above equation and a salary of 30000, if they triggered it in 3 years and assuming C grows each year from the above we might only be looking at a few million profit. Longer than that and we might only break even although I assume any buy back would be time limited.
I think we probably have to wait and see what happens as there doesn't seem to be a leak about this contract detail from the Town side. I think the last info from Rommers stated it was a matching clause rather than buy back.
SB |
E = mc2....definite info.
AE. [Post edited 31 Dec 2024 17:49]
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| Rumours from the Man City end that that they have a 30mil buyback clause on 17:56 - Dec 31 with 929 views | NeverSayDie |
Matching Rights and/or Buyback clauses are the new norm, but I’d like to think that MA et al would have rebuffed any suggested buyback clause and appeased them with matching rights, which (purely IMO) would seem to be more likely, given Delaps status at the time. Even if there was a buyback clause in the contract, they’d be better off taking the 20% sell on, as I don’t imagine there’d be a huge amount of monetary difference, but they’d mitigate the risk and forego paperwork.
FYI - Delap is believed to be on around £20k a week. |  | | |
| Rumours from the Man City end that that they have a 30mil buyback clause on 21:44 - Dec 31 with 727 views | mellowblue |
| Rumours from the Man City end that that they have a 30mil buyback clause on 11:12 - Dec 31 by _clive_baker_ |
Alright Tom Jones |
My, My, My Delap, da da da da da da da | | | |
| Rumours from the Man City end that that they have a 30mil buyback clause on 21:51 - Dec 31 with 711 views | ibbleobble |
| Rumours from the Man City end that that they have a 30mil buyback clause on 10:31 - Dec 31 by Marshalls_Mullet |
No one knows for sure whether its a matching clause or a buy back. Even Phil doesnt seem to have clarity on it. |
Simple. If we decide to sell him for a fee, Man City have first refusal / buy back on that fee, whether it’s matching or not is irrelevant to us, why would we care? That’s it folks. Speculation over. Common sense prevails. Walton in. [Post edited 31 Dec 2024 22:30]
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| Rumours from the Man City end that that they have a 30mil buyback clause on 22:01 - Dec 31 with 687 views | sjg |
I just hope it’s a deal closer to the Philogene one than Cameron Archer to Sheff U, where Villa had an obligation to buy him back if they went down… | | | |
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