| Rumours from the Man City end that that they have a 30mil buyback clause 09:48 - Dec 31 with 6327 views | bluesym |
For Delap....
Nonsense,surely? |  |
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| Rumours from the Man City end that that they have a 30mil buyback clause on 09:59 - Dec 31 with 4645 views | StokieBlue |
Would seem rather strange.
Assuming we paid 20m and they triggered after one year then:
Profit = 30m - ((52 * S) + 20m + C)
Where:
S = Weekly Salary
C = Unknown costs - bonuses, agent fees etc
Then in reality if his salary is above 30000 per week (probable) then the profit for Town is less than 8m if we assume C = 0 but in reality C is probably quite a large number.
I don't think Ashton would go for a deal with such a limited upside. For instance, using the above equation and a salary of 30000, if they triggered it in 3 years and assuming C grows each year from the above we might only be looking at a few million profit. Longer than that and we might only break even although I assume any buy back would be time limited.
I think we probably have to wait and see what happens as there doesn't seem to be a leak about this contract detail from the Town side. I think the last info from Rommers stated it was a matching clause rather than buy back.
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| Rumours from the Man City end that that they have a 30mil buyback clause on 10:01 - Dec 31 with 4633 views | DanTheMan |
It's not a buyback, it's the matching offer thing, similar to what Villa had with Philogene. |  |
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| Rumours from the Man City end that that they have a 30mil buyback clause on 10:03 - Dec 31 with 4583 views | _clive_baker_ |
| Rumours from the Man City end that that they have a 30mil buyback clause on 10:01 - Dec 31 by DanTheMan |
It's not a buyback, it's the matching offer thing, similar to what Villa had with Philogene. |
That's contrary to what I was told. Would be good news if true. |  | | |
| Rumours from the Man City end that that they have a 30mil buyback clause on 10:06 - Dec 31 with 4509 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
Source?!
Also, theres no way that will be allowed to be activated in the first window. |  |
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| Rumours from the Man City end that that they have a 30mil buyback clause on 10:06 - Dec 31 with 4500 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Rumours from the Man City end that that they have a 30mil buyback clause on 10:01 - Dec 31 by DanTheMan |
It's not a buyback, it's the matching offer thing, similar to what Villa had with Philogene. |
Unfortunately, no one seems to know the true story. | |
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| Rumours from the Man City end that that they have a 30mil buyback clause on 10:08 - Dec 31 with 4461 views | DanTheMan |
| Rumours from the Man City end that that they have a 30mil buyback clause on 10:03 - Dec 31 by _clive_baker_ |
That's contrary to what I was told. Would be good news if true. |
I'm going by what other people were saying on here so could well be wrong but I thought that was the consensus people came to.
I'd be surprised if we bought a young player for £20mil only for there to be a £30mil buyback. | |
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| Rumours from the Man City end that that they have a 30mil buyback clause on 10:09 - Dec 31 with 4444 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Rumours from the Man City end that that they have a 30mil buyback clause on 09:59 - Dec 31 by StokieBlue |
Would seem rather strange.
Assuming we paid 20m and they triggered after one year then:
Profit = 30m - ((52 * S) + 20m + C)
Where:
S = Weekly Salary
C = Unknown costs - bonuses, agent fees etc
Then in reality if his salary is above 30000 per week (probable) then the profit for Town is less than 8m if we assume C = 0 but in reality C is probably quite a large number.
I don't think Ashton would go for a deal with such a limited upside. For instance, using the above equation and a salary of 30000, if they triggered it in 3 years and assuming C grows each year from the above we might only be looking at a few million profit. Longer than that and we might only break even although I assume any buy back would be time limited.
I think we probably have to wait and see what happens as there doesn't seem to be a leak about this contract detail from the Town side. I think the last info from Rommers stated it was a matching clause rather than buy back.
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There's not much point in speculating to that degree.
No one seems to know whether its even a buy back clause or a matching clause. | |
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| Rumours from the Man City end that that they have a 30mil buyback clause on 10:11 - Dec 31 with 4399 views | _clive_baker_ |
| Rumours from the Man City end that that they have a 30mil buyback clause on 10:08 - Dec 31 by DanTheMan |
I'm going by what other people were saying on here so could well be wrong but I thought that was the consensus people came to.
I'd be surprised if we bought a young player for £20mil only for there to be a £30mil buyback. |
I was told its a buy back i.e. we're obliged to accept an offer from City at a certain value (pretty sure he said £40m) and its time limited (can't remember the period). That was an ex Town player who is still well connected, but doesn't mean its true. Wouldn't be the first thing he's got wrong. | | | |
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| Rumours from the Man City end that that they have a 30mil buyback clause on 10:12 - Dec 31 with 4391 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
Not this debate again 
Search the forum - it's been discussed ad nauseam. The details of the contract between Town and ManC are not in the public domain, so outside of a few club insiders, everything you see in the press and on chat groups/forums is at best speculation.
We will know when (if) ManC take up whatever contractual option exists. |  | | |
| Rumours from the Man City end that that they have a 30mil buyback clause on 10:12 - Dec 31 with 4378 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Rumours from the Man City end that that they have a 30mil buyback clause on 10:11 - Dec 31 by _clive_baker_ |
I was told its a buy back i.e. we're obliged to accept an offer from City at a certain value (pretty sure he said £40m) and its time limited (can't remember the period). That was an ex Town player who is still well connected, but doesn't mean its true. Wouldn't be the first thing he's got wrong. |
No one knows. Not even Phil. | |
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| Rumours from the Man City end that that they have a 30mil buyback clause on 10:14 - Dec 31 with 4312 views | cressi |
| Rumours from the Man City end that that they have a 30mil buyback clause on 10:09 - Dec 31 by Marshalls_Mullet |
There's not much point in speculating to that degree.
No one seems to know whether its even a buy back clause or a matching clause. |
It don't really matter as we don't wish to sell to anyone at present and with Delap signing a long term deal we will sell when think the deal is right for us in the future so let's enjoy watching him help us stay up. | | | |
| Rumours from the Man City end that that they have a 30mil buyback clause on 10:14 - Dec 31 with 4312 views | BlueRaider |
Surely players will be hesitant to go to Man City at the moment pending the court case anyway ? | |
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| Rumours from the Man City end that that they have a 30mil buyback clause on 10:17 - Dec 31 with 4259 views | StokieBlue |
| Rumours from the Man City end that that they have a 30mil buyback clause on 10:09 - Dec 31 by Marshalls_Mullet |
There's not much point in speculating to that degree.
No one seems to know whether its even a buy back clause or a matching clause. |
It's not really speculating, it's just simple analysis to show that at a 30m figure we basically get no money after a certain point.
Agree that nobody seems to know what the clause is.
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| Rumours from the Man City end that that they have a 30mil buyback clause on 10:18 - Dec 31 with 4238 views | StokieBlue |
| Rumours from the Man City end that that they have a 30mil buyback clause on 10:11 - Dec 31 by _clive_baker_ |
I was told its a buy back i.e. we're obliged to accept an offer from City at a certain value (pretty sure he said £40m) and its time limited (can't remember the period). That was an ex Town player who is still well connected, but doesn't mean its true. Wouldn't be the first thing he's got wrong. |
40m is substantially better than 30m.
IF we say the clause has a two year time horizon then it's likely that Town would still make something 15m on that deal.
Not ideal but not awful.
Still hoping it's a matching clause though.
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| Rumours from the Man City end that that they have a 30mil buyback clause on 10:19 - Dec 31 with 4192 views | Wallingford_Boy |
He’s going nowhere in January, that’s obvious, but IF we go down I imagine he’ll leave.
Just not to Man City. |  |
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| Rumours from the Man City end that that they have a 30mil buyback clause on 10:25 - Dec 31 with 4114 views | _clive_baker_ |
| Rumours from the Man City end that that they have a 30mil buyback clause on 10:18 - Dec 31 by StokieBlue |
40m is substantially better than 30m.
IF we say the clause has a two year time horizon then it's likely that Town would still make something 15m on that deal.
Not ideal but not awful.
Still hoping it's a matching clause though.
SB |
Ultimately if we go down we would struggle to keep him regardless, so it becomes a bit of a moot point. If we stay up then he'll have played a huge role in it, we'll have the summer to reinvest from a stronger financial position, and it'll effectively have been a very profitable glorified loan.
Not really worth worrying about innit, he won't leave in Jan so lets enjoy him while he's here and see what happens. | | | |
| Rumours from the Man City end that that they have a 30mil buyback clause on 10:27 - Dec 31 with 4089 views | ibbleobble |
Zzzz….
For the record it’s if we decide to sell him, they get first refusal. Nothing more. Move on. The idea they could just buy him back for £30m a hilarious! | | | |
| Rumours from the Man City end that that they have a 30mil buyback clause on 10:31 - Dec 31 with 4048 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Rumours from the Man City end that that they have a 30mil buyback clause on 10:27 - Dec 31 by ibbleobble |
Zzzz….
For the record it’s if we decide to sell him, they get first refusal. Nothing more. Move on. The idea they could just buy him back for £30m a hilarious! |
No one knows for sure whether its a matching clause or a buy back. Even Phil doesnt seem to have clarity on it. | |
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| Rumours from the Man City end that that they have a 30mil buyback clause on 10:34 - Dec 31 with 3989 views | bluesym |
| Rumours from the Man City end that that they have a 30mil buyback clause on 10:27 - Dec 31 by ibbleobble |
Zzzz….
For the record it’s if we decide to sell him, they get first refusal. Nothing more. Move on. The idea they could just buy him back for £30m a hilarious! |
Thanks Mark Ashton for clearing that up 👍🏻 | |
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| Rumours from the Man City end that that they have a 30mil buyback clause on 10:34 - Dec 31 with 3983 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Rumours from the Man City end that that they have a 30mil buyback clause on 10:17 - Dec 31 by StokieBlue |
It's not really speculating, it's just simple analysis to show that at a 30m figure we basically get no money after a certain point.
Agree that nobody seems to know what the clause is.
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Its a very simple analysis of speculated figures and clauses.
Its pure speculation.
Just seems like groundhog day. | |
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| Rumours from the Man City end that that they have a 30mil buyback clause on 10:35 - Dec 31 with 3960 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Rumours from the Man City end that that they have a 30mil buyback clause on 10:14 - Dec 31 by cressi |
It don't really matter as we don't wish to sell to anyone at present and with Delap signing a long term deal we will sell when think the deal is right for us in the future so let's enjoy watching him help us stay up. |
Delap signing a new deal wouldnt alter whether Man City have a buy back / matching clause. | |
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| Rumours from the Man City end that that they have a 30mil buyback clause on 10:47 - Dec 31 with 3839 views | BloomBlue |
I'm sure Ashton organised a Philogene type deal. Simply because if it was a fixed fee buy back, Man City are hardly likely to agree (for example) a £50m+ buy back. Man City bosses sell a player for £15m and then potentially agree to buy back at £50m a year later - doubt it. So if there is a fixed fee buy back them I'm sure it's nearer to the original £15m, hence £30m makes sense.
Let's face it, he was untried in the PL, so a guarantee of doubling the fee in a buyback was possibly tempting. But I still think Ashton would go with the Philogene type buyback. |  | | |
| Rumours from the Man City end that that they have a 30mil buyback clause on 10:50 - Dec 31 with 3780 views | Zapers |
| Rumours from the Man City end that that they have a 30mil buyback clause on 10:34 - Dec 31 by Marshalls_Mullet |
Its a very simple analysis of speculated figures and clauses.
Its pure speculation.
Just seems like groundhog day. |
Of course it’s pure speculation by SB.
But that’s not unusual | | | |
| Rumours from the Man City end that that they have a 30mil buyback clause on 10:58 - Dec 31 with 3733 views | bluejacko |
Can’t we just give this a rest please,he is our player Ashton has stated it will take a figure with multiple zero’s attached to even think about it!
It’s boring now🙄 | | | |
| Rumours from the Man City end that that they have a 30mil buyback clause on 11:12 - Dec 31 with 3624 views | _clive_baker_ |
| Rumours from the Man City end that that they have a 30mil buyback clause on 10:50 - Dec 31 by Zapers |
Of course it’s pure speculation by SB.
But that’s not unusual |
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