| Handyman prices 20:51 - Jan 21 with 4711 views | Lord_Lucan |
I want a couple of bookshelves fixed to the wall in Mothers annex.
I could do it but 1/ I don't have time and 2/ I can't be arsed.
Some handyman bloke has quoted me £100*********. Am I out of touch or is that price completely insane?
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| Handyman prices on 09:57 - Jan 22 with 1057 views | ElderGrizzly |
Handyman out Cambridge way is £45 an hour and this would be less than an hour's work.
So yes, seems way over the top. |  | | |
| Handyman prices (n/t) on 10:00 - Jan 22 with 1034 views | DJR |
| Handyman prices on 09:57 - Jan 22 by ElderGrizzly |
Handyman out Cambridge way is £45 an hour and this would be less than an hour's work.
So yes, seems way over the top. |
£45 an hour works out at an annual salary of £80,000!
Having said that, £45 would seem reasonable for the job. [Post edited 22 Jan 10:01]
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| Handyman prices on 10:04 - Jan 22 with 1007 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Handyman prices on 09:53 - Jan 22 by PassionNotAnger |
Typical bloody Tory - can't be bothered to do something for themselves and begrudges a common man earning a crust!
Joking apart - lets say it's 1/2 day for the job (including travel from his place/other job to your home) that would give him a daily/week income of £200/£1000pw. Out of that he's got to cover transport costs (petrol, van insurance, tax, maintenance/mot etc), tools upkeep/replacement, cost of fixings, insurance.
Doesn't sound to bad to me?
Bit different if it was a mate/neighbour who might well do it for a couple of pints etc - you are looking for someone competent and reliable and they're entitled to earn a living? |
I generally agree with what you say, however it does make me laugh when people compare someone's weekly income with their outgoings and include things that aren't weekly in their outgoings to make it look worse.
Doubtful he'd have to fill up on petrol every week if he's a local handyman.
Van insurance, tax and liability insurance are once a year.
MOT is what, £60? And once a year.
Tools upkeep/maintenance - I'd have thought a handyman's tools last several years. Some of them, i.e. a hammer, will probably outlast the handyman! |  |
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| Handyman prices (n/t) on 10:07 - Jan 22 with 980 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Handyman prices (n/t) on 10:00 - Jan 22 by DJR |
£45 an hour works out at an annual salary of £80,000!
Having said that, £45 would seem reasonable for the job. [Post edited 22 Jan 10:01]
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But if self employed, it also pays for sick pay, holidays, pension, travel costs etc etc
He does a cracking job too, so in the Lucan spirit of "can't be arsed", he is brilliant as I can focus on not killing myself trying to do DIY. [Post edited 22 Jan 10:07]
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| Handyman prices on 10:08 - Jan 22 with 965 views | PassionNotAnger |
| Handyman prices on 10:04 - Jan 22 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I generally agree with what you say, however it does make me laugh when people compare someone's weekly income with their outgoings and include things that aren't weekly in their outgoings to make it look worse.
Doubtful he'd have to fill up on petrol every week if he's a local handyman.
Van insurance, tax and liability insurance are once a year.
MOT is what, £60? And once a year.
Tools upkeep/maintenance - I'd have thought a handyman's tools last several years. Some of them, i.e. a hammer, will probably outlast the handyman! |
Interesting comment -
But just because you don't fill up with petrol every week doesn't mean you aren't burning fuel every week? Unless you are suggesting they should only charge more to customers on the weeks when they go to Tesco to refuel?? Or charge more the week after the drill breaks to next customers?
It's basic business modelling? Understand your expenses over a fixed period (day/week/month/quarter/annual/whatever) and then spread the cost appropriately against your income stream over the same period? |  | | |
| Handyman prices on 10:09 - Jan 22 with 950 views | PassionNotAnger |
| Handyman prices on 09:57 - Jan 22 by ElderGrizzly |
Handyman out Cambridge way is £45 an hour and this would be less than an hour's work.
So yes, seems way over the top. |
It might be an hours job but the person has to travel to and from the job - driving from one side of Ipswich to the other can take 30 mins as an example so that could easily add another hour to the job (travel to and from) which takes £45 to £90 quite easily? | | | |
| Handyman prices (n/t) on 10:12 - Jan 22 with 932 views | Benters |
| Handyman prices (n/t) on 10:00 - Jan 22 by DJR |
£45 an hour works out at an annual salary of £80,000!
Having said that, £45 would seem reasonable for the job. [Post edited 22 Jan 10:01]
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Pen pusher surprised at how much a man who works with his hands earns shocker ! |  |
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| Handyman prices on 10:16 - Jan 22 with 907 views | Meadowlark |
I'd do it for free if I lived close by Lukey, but it's an empty offer as I live miles away.
Plasterboard walls are a bit weak for a shelf load of books. Best to locate the wooden battens and scew into them if possible. |  | | |
| Handyman prices (n/t) on 10:17 - Jan 22 with 902 views | PassionNotAnger |
| Handyman prices (n/t) on 10:12 - Jan 22 by Benters |
Pen pusher surprised at how much a man who works with his hands earns shocker ! |
And spectacularly missing the point that's it not a salary but a price from which various costs and overheads need to be deducted from.
Really does amaze me how many people don't appreciate that the amount they pay isn't the profit/salary the worker actually gets in their back pocket (regardless of the debate around "cash-in-hand"/tax avoidance etc) [Post edited 22 Jan 10:29]
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| Handyman prices on 10:20 - Jan 22 with 882 views | Benters |
| Handyman prices on 10:16 - Jan 22 by Meadowlark |
I'd do it for free if I lived close by Lukey, but it's an empty offer as I live miles away.
Plasterboard walls are a bit weak for a shelf load of books. Best to locate the wooden battens and scew into them if possible. |
I’d get some bricks and place the said shelves on top of them. | |
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| Handyman prices (n/t) on 10:21 - Jan 22 with 866 views | DJR |
| Handyman prices (n/t) on 10:12 - Jan 22 by Benters |
Pen pusher surprised at how much a man who works with his hands earns shocker ! |
It was that figure in relation to a handyman that struck me as pricey. Certainly the handymen I have employed have charged nothing like that amount, even when I have had them for a whole day or more. And I live not far from the M25.
I realise of course that when it comes to carpenters, plumbers, tree surgeons and the like that there is very good money to be made. [Post edited 22 Jan 10:30]
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| Handyman prices on 10:23 - Jan 22 with 849 views | usm |
£150
And thats my final offer
Plus 40p per mile travel |  |
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| Handyman prices (n/t) on 10:27 - Jan 22 with 821 views | DJR |
| Handyman prices (n/t) on 10:17 - Jan 22 by PassionNotAnger |
And spectacularly missing the point that's it not a salary but a price from which various costs and overheads need to be deducted from.
Really does amaze me how many people don't appreciate that the amount they pay isn't the profit/salary the worker actually gets in their back pocket (regardless of the debate around "cash-in-hand"/tax avoidance etc) [Post edited 22 Jan 10:29]
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I have been self-employed myself so know how things work.
And, for example, in the wealthy Home Counties where I live, paid £25 an hour for a gardener for two hours yesterday for a one-off job.
That is why £45 an hour for a handyman in what is presumably rural Suffolk struck me as quite steep. [Post edited 22 Jan 10:28]
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| Handyman prices on 10:32 - Jan 22 with 803 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Handyman prices on 10:08 - Jan 22 by PassionNotAnger |
Interesting comment -
But just because you don't fill up with petrol every week doesn't mean you aren't burning fuel every week? Unless you are suggesting they should only charge more to customers on the weeks when they go to Tesco to refuel?? Or charge more the week after the drill breaks to next customers?
It's basic business modelling? Understand your expenses over a fixed period (day/week/month/quarter/annual/whatever) and then spread the cost appropriately against your income stream over the same period? |
Yeah I was being a bit pedantic really - you seemed to be putting their full cost up against the weekly income, that's all.
Petrol's a valid one... but tool replacement and MOT are pretty minimal I'd have thought. | |
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| Handyman prices (n/t) on 10:36 - Jan 22 with 796 views | PassionNotAnger |
| Handyman prices (n/t) on 10:27 - Jan 22 by DJR |
I have been self-employed myself so know how things work.
And, for example, in the wealthy Home Counties where I live, paid £25 an hour for a gardener for two hours yesterday for a one-off job.
That is why £45 an hour for a handyman in what is presumably rural Suffolk struck me as quite steep. [Post edited 22 Jan 10:28]
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In which case it's a bit odd that you equated £45 per hour for a tradesman to an £80k salary??
Not sure about the rural Suffolk bit (if anything doesn't that mean the travel time between jobs will take longer and influence the price/time billed?) as Ipswich is a pretty big urban area?
Think it's always a challenge to compare different trades/areas anyway - the price for a builder/gardener/window cleaner/electrician will always vary massively for a range of different reasons | | | |
| Handyman prices on 10:36 - Jan 22 with 796 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Handyman prices on 10:09 - Jan 22 by PassionNotAnger |
It might be an hours job but the person has to travel to and from the job - driving from one side of Ipswich to the other can take 30 mins as an example so that could easily add another hour to the job (travel to and from) which takes £45 to £90 quite easily? |
Your hourly rate is for the time spent doing the job, not your travel time to get there! | |
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| Handyman prices on 10:43 - Jan 22 with 755 views | PassionNotAnger |
| Handyman prices on 10:36 - Jan 22 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Your hourly rate is for the time spent doing the job, not your travel time to get there! |
Apologies - this is a friendly debate but are you crazy?
I think it's pretty rare for smaller jobs for them to itemise costs down to hourly rate for this very reason - when any trade prices a job they will factor in labour/time/materials etc and that will include travel time and cost.
Taking Lucan's example of £100 - It might be a 1 or 2 hr job onsite but will allow 3 or 3.5 hours including travel - how the estimate is present may be straight £100 or if asked to break it down they may say £10 materials and 2 hrs @ £45 per hour knowing that it actually splits down to £10 materials and then £30 per hour for 3 hours or £22.5 per hour for 4 hours etc.
Regardless of what the estimate says an independent tradesman will always end up charging for their time to get to and from a job as it's time they can't earn on another job? | | | |
| Handyman prices (n/t) on 10:52 - Jan 22 with 715 views | DJR |
| Handyman prices (n/t) on 10:36 - Jan 22 by PassionNotAnger |
In which case it's a bit odd that you equated £45 per hour for a tradesman to an £80k salary??
Not sure about the rural Suffolk bit (if anything doesn't that mean the travel time between jobs will take longer and influence the price/time billed?) as Ipswich is a pretty big urban area?
Think it's always a challenge to compare different trades/areas anyway - the price for a builder/gardener/window cleaner/electrician will always vary massively for a range of different reasons |
Perhaps I was unique in not deducting anything from what I earned! | | | |
| Handyman prices on 11:14 - Jan 22 with 658 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Handyman prices on 10:36 - Jan 22 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Your hourly rate is for the time spent doing the job, not your travel time to get there! |
For a one off, small job, an hourly rate wouldn’t be mentioned you would just quote a price.
If you didn’t really want to be bothered with such a small job you may well quote high. You never know it might be accepted. |  |
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| Handyman prices on 11:48 - Jan 22 with 632 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Handyman prices on 10:43 - Jan 22 by PassionNotAnger |
Apologies - this is a friendly debate but are you crazy?
I think it's pretty rare for smaller jobs for them to itemise costs down to hourly rate for this very reason - when any trade prices a job they will factor in labour/time/materials etc and that will include travel time and cost.
Taking Lucan's example of £100 - It might be a 1 or 2 hr job onsite but will allow 3 or 3.5 hours including travel - how the estimate is present may be straight £100 or if asked to break it down they may say £10 materials and 2 hrs @ £45 per hour knowing that it actually splits down to £10 materials and then £30 per hour for 3 hours or £22.5 per hour for 4 hours etc.
Regardless of what the estimate says an independent tradesman will always end up charging for their time to get to and from a job as it's time they can't earn on another job? |
Erm, no i'm not crazy, I'm just going on what you said.
You didn't put a breakdown of costs, how charges are worked out, flat fees etc. We were talking about hourly rates and you said, "driving from one side of Ipswich to the other can take 30 mins... that could easily add another hour to the job (travel to and from) which takes £45 to £90..."
By that logic, if you got stuck in traffic for half an hour - or popped into a service station for a bit of brekkie - you could add another £23.50 to the price! | |
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| Handyman prices on 11:52 - Jan 22 with 629 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Handyman prices on 11:14 - Jan 22 by Pinewoodblue |
For a one off, small job, an hourly rate wouldn’t be mentioned you would just quote a price.
If you didn’t really want to be bothered with such a small job you may well quote high. You never know it might be accepted. |
Indeed.
I've quoted high, myself, on a job I didn't fancy (not due to travelling) and got it.
My point was you don't quote an hourly rate, then charge double for an hour's work because you're including travel. They'd tell you to do one! | |
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| Handyman prices on 11:59 - Jan 22 with 615 views | VanSaParody |
I went for a job as a handy man once
1st question he asked was, am I a handy man?
I said I live just across the road there, that's feckin' handy innit? |  | | |
| Handyman prices on 12:05 - Jan 22 with 598 views | _clive_baker_ |
| Handyman prices on 11:59 - Jan 22 by VanSaParody |
I went for a job as a handy man once
1st question he asked was, am I a handy man?
I said I live just across the road there, that's feckin' handy innit? |
More lucrative than your comedy career I presume? |  | | |
| Handyman prices on 12:10 - Jan 22 with 588 views | VanSaParody |
| Handyman prices on 12:05 - Jan 22 by _clive_baker_ |
More lucrative than your comedy career I presume? |
Yep
Who do you think quotes £100 to put up a shelf? [Post edited 22 Jan 12:20]
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