| Grenfell Tower decision 11:40 - Feb 6 with 2059 views | giant_stow |
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cq5g99xy979o
Right decision I would say - its stood long enough as a sad blot on the landscape - I don't think its healthy for group mental health to have kept it up for this long, let alone for ever more.
I hate to be disagree with some of the families, but can't help but wonder if this a rare time when the people involved aren't actually in the best position to decide whats best. Knock it down and put up a memorial. [Post edited 6 Feb 12:22]
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| Grenfell Tower decision on 12:17 - Feb 6 with 1947 views | Swansea_Blue |
I’ve only heard the headlines that the decision was made as its structural integrity is worsening. Sounds sensible to me!
The residents must feel they’re going to get shafted, which is probably a reasonable conclusion unfortunately. |  |
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| Grenfell Tower decision on 12:22 - Feb 6 with 1926 views | giant_stow |
| Grenfell Tower decision on 12:17 - Feb 6 by Swansea_Blue |
I’ve only heard the headlines that the decision was made as its structural integrity is worsening. Sounds sensible to me!
The residents must feel they’re going to get shafted, which is probably a reasonable conclusion unfortunately. |
absolutely true re the integrity - if its not to come down, is the council really expected to maintain an empty sad hulk for evermore? | |
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| Grenfell Tower decision on 12:23 - Feb 6 with 1909 views | positivity |
| Grenfell Tower decision on 12:17 - Feb 6 by Swansea_Blue |
I’ve only heard the headlines that the decision was made as its structural integrity is worsening. Sounds sensible to me!
The residents must feel they’re going to get shafted, which is probably a reasonable conclusion unfortunately. |
it seems that it was the only sensible decision. the important thing is to fully include the families in what goes in it's place. |  |
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| Grenfell Tower decision on 12:24 - Feb 6 with 1897 views | Guthrum |
Not sure that victims and family members are often in a position to make the best judgements. Too close to the issue, with too many emotions bound up in it.
Bit like the Letby case, where the parents cannot face further investigation and the removal of what certainty they had obtained with conviction, even despite the possibility of it being a miscarriage of justice. |  |
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| Grenfell Tower decision on 12:29 - Feb 6 with 1839 views | Churchman |
Get the thing down. Replace it with a memorial garden or if that’s no good, some sort of facility or centre that benefits the people that live there. A far more fitting memorial than a derelict monstrosity that for some who lost people in that disaster is a daily horror reminder they don’t want. |  | | |
| Grenfell Tower decision on 12:33 - Feb 6 with 1824 views | USA |
| Grenfell Tower decision on 12:24 - Feb 6 by Guthrum |
Not sure that victims and family members are often in a position to make the best judgements. Too close to the issue, with too many emotions bound up in it.
Bit like the Letby case, where the parents cannot face further investigation and the removal of what certainty they had obtained with conviction, even despite the possibility of it being a miscarriage of justice. |
Sorry not having that. IF, a massive ginormous IF, she isn’t guilty, then she should be jailed anyway to stop further suffering of the parents?? That’s doesn’t seem right. | |
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| Grenfell Tower decision on 12:50 - Feb 6 with 1746 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Grenfell Tower decision on 12:33 - Feb 6 by USA |
Sorry not having that. IF, a massive ginormous IF, she isn’t guilty, then she should be jailed anyway to stop further suffering of the parents?? That’s doesn’t seem right. |
Er, no. The parents would be traumatised with it all being opened up again, despite a possible miscarriage of justice. Guthers was talking from the perspective of the victims, not passing any comment on Letby in that example. | |
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| Grenfell Tower decision on 12:52 - Feb 6 with 1741 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Grenfell Tower decision on 12:23 - Feb 6 by positivity |
it seems that it was the only sensible decision. the important thing is to fully include the families in what goes in it's place. |
Yeah, good luck with that. They’ve been shat on from a great height for years and I can’t see that changing. Now if they were rich and connected it would be another matter. Obviously you’re right though. | |
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| Grenfell Tower decision on 12:56 - Feb 6 with 1714 views | USA |
| Grenfell Tower decision on 12:50 - Feb 6 by Swansea_Blue |
Er, no. The parents would be traumatised with it all being opened up again, despite a possible miscarriage of justice. Guthers was talking from the perspective of the victims, not passing any comment on Letby in that example. |
Fair point on re-reading | |
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| Grenfell Tower decision on 13:13 - Feb 6 with 1654 views | Guthrum |
| Grenfell Tower decision on 12:33 - Feb 6 by USA |
Sorry not having that. IF, a massive ginormous IF, she isn’t guilty, then she should be jailed anyway to stop further suffering of the parents?? That’s doesn’t seem right. |
No, the opposite of that. | |
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| Grenfell Tower decision on 13:25 - Feb 6 with 1578 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
Your last sentence is exactly what I thought. |  |
| Trust the process. Trust Phil. |
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| Grenfell Tower decision on 13:35 - Feb 6 with 1554 views | Illinoisblue |
Somewhat related; looking back it’s kinda crazy Sheff Weds didn’t knock down the leppings lane end. Was very odd to be in the seats there in 1990 and looking down on the terraces. |  |
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| Grenfell Tower decision on 14:12 - Feb 6 with 1486 views | jontysnut |
I agree largely but I'm sure you didn't mean ' blot on the landscape'. I guess that might be the families view - that the site of their loss and all the reasons for it is now something of an inconvenience. |  | | |
| Grenfell Tower decision on 14:34 - Feb 6 with 1418 views | giant_stow |
| Grenfell Tower decision on 14:12 - Feb 6 by jontysnut |
I agree largely but I'm sure you didn't mean ' blot on the landscape'. I guess that might be the families view - that the site of their loss and all the reasons for it is now something of an inconvenience. |
I'll be honest - I did mean 'blot on the landscape', but not in the visual sense - in the emotional sense. I don't live in west London, but every time I go there, it dominates the skyline, even more so locally I would have thought. I just feel that does nobody any good. | |
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| Grenfell Tower decision on 19:32 - Feb 6 with 1160 views | Nutkins_Return |
It is quite simply the only decision. What a truly awful situation the whole thing has been. But it has to come down. | |
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| Grenfell Tower decision on 19:39 - Feb 6 with 1149 views | lowhouseblue |
it's clearly right. i really can't think of an example where wreckage has been left after a tragedy and we've then made an explicit decision to keep the wreckage. ship wrecks obviously often stay where they are, but otherwise we always clear stuff and then decide on an appropriate memorial. |  |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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| Grenfell Tower decision on 11:30 - Feb 7 with 812 views | mellowblue |
I think it is the right decision, but possibly the wrong timing. With the inquiry due to report next year, it might have been worthwhile kicking that decsion into the long grass for a bit. I suspect they want it down before the inquiry reports as that will inevitably fan a lot more anger and sense of injustice. And the decision to demolish might be even more emotive than it is now. | | | |
| Grenfell Tower decision on 15:56 - Feb 7 with 712 views | ronnyd |
| Grenfell Tower decision on 12:24 - Feb 6 by Guthrum |
Not sure that victims and family members are often in a position to make the best judgements. Too close to the issue, with too many emotions bound up in it.
Bit like the Letby case, where the parents cannot face further investigation and the removal of what certainty they had obtained with conviction, even despite the possibility of it being a miscarriage of justice. |
Up voted by mistake, my apologies. | | | |
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