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Hooray for capitalism! on 07:47 - Feb 26 by Dubtractor
Heard this on the news earlier.
We are indeed fooked. Another reason for me to be happy I don't have kids.
Capitalism is a plague on this planet.
It's so patently obvious that capitalism, at least in its current form, is part of the problem and not part of the solution as its advocates like to try and tell us. And yet there's never any serious discussion anywhere about the need to reset or fundamentally overhaul our economic model. We just blindly carry on as if everything is fine while the rich get richer, the poor get (relatively) poorer, and the world burns around us.
Hooray for capitalism! on 07:49 - Feb 26 by Herbivore
It's so patently obvious that capitalism, at least in its current form, is part of the problem and not part of the solution as its advocates like to try and tell us. And yet there's never any serious discussion anywhere about the need to reset or fundamentally overhaul our economic model. We just blindly carry on as if everything is fine while the rich get richer, the poor get (relatively) poorer, and the world burns around us.
This feels like a thread for banksterdebtslave to join!
I was born underwater, I dried out in the sun.
I started humping volcanoes baby, when I was too young.
Hooray for capitalism! on 07:47 - Feb 26 by Dubtractor
Heard this on the news earlier.
We are indeed fooked. Another reason for me to be happy I don't have kids.
Capitalism is a plague on this planet.
Capitalism->imbalance of power and influence->more capitalism->more imbalance of power and influence
I guess an analogy would be the snowball effect, which is ironic given there won't be any more of those around the way we are going. A greenhouse effect is a much better analogy, also ironically.
Sorry to go all Alanis Morisette. Just hope I am understanding irony better than she did.
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Hooray for capitalism! on 08:09 - Feb 26 with 2404 views
Hooray for capitalism! on 07:58 - Feb 26 by iamatractorboy
Capitalism->imbalance of power and influence->more capitalism->more imbalance of power and influence
I guess an analogy would be the snowball effect, which is ironic given there won't be any more of those around the way we are going. A greenhouse effect is a much better analogy, also ironically.
Sorry to go all Alanis Morisette. Just hope I am understanding irony better than she did.
Indeed, money begets power and power gives you the tools to control the people, whether that is overtly through influencing government policy, or covertly through controlling the media. Our last government banned the teaching of anti-capitalist materials in schools, but the government is ultimately meant to be there to serve the interests of the people, not to be slave to a particular economic model, and yet here we are. Plenty of people will still wang on about how great it is and that it will eventually fix all of our problems, including climate change, but we're already at a point of it being probably too late and it just ain't happening. Maybe one day people will wake up, but we'll have broken the world permanently by then I suspect and it'll all get a bit Mad Max.
Hooray for capitalism! on 07:49 - Feb 26 by Herbivore
It's so patently obvious that capitalism, at least in its current form, is part of the problem and not part of the solution as its advocates like to try and tell us. And yet there's never any serious discussion anywhere about the need to reset or fundamentally overhaul our economic model. We just blindly carry on as if everything is fine while the rich get richer, the poor get (relatively) poorer, and the world burns around us.
How do you reset and achieve a world wide consensus?
If we read the room it’s extremely hard right now to even stay in the centre ground let alone move to the left. We are more likely to see a collapse in democracies and more authoritarian rule than we are a collapse of capitalism and shared state ownership of wealth distribution.
In America the rich are putting a vice like grip around their power and the people are cheering them on to do it as all they see is immigration and maga.
Positive edit… we have to influence as much as we can by our own actions. Stop buying teslas. Their share price collapsed 10 percent yesterday cos of that. Keep doing things that reduce the need for oil so there’s no need to drill so much.
BP was once, supposedly anyway, leading the way on turning the human race away from killing itself and its cohabitants. We are back in the stone age now in terms of trying to save our children's futures. No chance really.
I concur that we're fooked, dead, cooked, done - horror awaits almost all of us.
Meanwhile... this on Radio 4 is a good listen - I haven't heard the last two most pertinent episodes yet, but this was a bloke from a science and big business background who knew what he was talking about. Unfortunately capitalism has indeed killed us.
Hooray for capitalism! on 08:17 - Feb 26 by nodge_blue
How do you reset and achieve a world wide consensus?
If we read the room it’s extremely hard right now to even stay in the centre ground let alone move to the left. We are more likely to see a collapse in democracies and more authoritarian rule than we are a collapse of capitalism and shared state ownership of wealth distribution.
In America the rich are putting a vice like grip around their power and the people are cheering them on to do it as all they see is immigration and maga.
Positive edit… we have to influence as much as we can by our own actions. Stop buying teslas. Their share price collapsed 10 percent yesterday cos of that. Keep doing things that reduce the need for oil so there’s no need to drill so much.
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Yeah, as I said, we're fooked. We're reaping the consequences of being unwilling to tackle the inherent flaws of the system when political waters were calmer and more amenable. We've now got the uber capitalists calling the shots and trying to make out the problem is we've just not been capitalist enough. We're totally screwed.
Hooray for capitalism! on 08:23 - Feb 26 by Herbivore
Yeah, as I said, we're fooked. We're reaping the consequences of being unwilling to tackle the inherent flaws of the system when political waters were calmer and more amenable. We've now got the uber capitalists calling the shots and trying to make out the problem is we've just not been capitalist enough. We're totally screwed.
Hooray for capitalism! on 08:22 - Feb 26 by NthQldITFC
BP was once, supposedly anyway, leading the way on turning the human race away from killing itself and its cohabitants. We are back in the stone age now in terms of trying to save our children's futures. No chance really.
I concur that we're fooked, dead, cooked, done - horror awaits almost all of us.
Meanwhile... this on Radio 4 is a good listen - I haven't heard the last two most pertinent episodes yet, but this was a bloke from a science and big business background who knew what he was talking about. Unfortunately capitalism has indeed killed us.
Their carbon footprint campaign was incredibly powerful, especially as it took all the spotlight off them. Whilst simultaneously telling people they need to be making a difference they continued to barely invest in greener energy and invest more into fossil fuels.
Hooray for capitalism! on 08:17 - Feb 26 by nodge_blue
How do you reset and achieve a world wide consensus?
If we read the room it’s extremely hard right now to even stay in the centre ground let alone move to the left. We are more likely to see a collapse in democracies and more authoritarian rule than we are a collapse of capitalism and shared state ownership of wealth distribution.
In America the rich are putting a vice like grip around their power and the people are cheering them on to do it as all they see is immigration and maga.
Positive edit… we have to influence as much as we can by our own actions. Stop buying teslas. Their share price collapsed 10 percent yesterday cos of that. Keep doing things that reduce the need for oil so there’s no need to drill so much.
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I agree with your summary and with your edit. I just can't see a consensual change but if we've got any instinct for self-preservation at all - on an individual, national or species level - we have to try.
In reality the best outcome for the Earth, and for the future of the remnants of the human branch of evolution, would be a mass human extinction event, be it pandemic or semi-limited nuclear conflict. Perhaps Putin and Putin's b**** and even Putin's b****'s b**** at their prospective new gated leisure park end of the Med have the right idea after all?
Hooray for capitalism! on 08:31 - Feb 26 by homer_123
The plague (or vrius) is actually us.
I think there is truth to that. Capitalism is just very good at feeding on individuals demands and offers the supply. You can argue that maybe it shapes the demand too and I take that argument as well. But ultimately we as individuals can still decide what we buy and use in our lives.
And those lovely ‘social democrats’ across the North Sea. “Norwegian [state] company Equinor have already scaled back their plans to invest in green energy.”
Over half of oil and gas is produced by state owned companies of varying ideologies. The world would still run on fossil fuels even without capitalism as did/does the non-western aligned countries. I think you’ll find the problem is humans - we’ve explored deep into our solar system, and cured some complex diseases, yet still llive in an age where people are happy to kill other humans over who’s god is mightiest, not as clever as we think we are .
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Hooray for capitalism! on 08:41 - Feb 26 with 2225 views
Hooray for capitalism! on 08:37 - Feb 26 by nodge_blue
I think there is truth to that. Capitalism is just very good at feeding on individuals demands and offers the supply. You can argue that maybe it shapes the demand too and I take that argument as well. But ultimately we as individuals can still decide what we buy and use in our lives.
I think a powerful counterpoint (and it's one made in the article I posted above) is that when the entire world stopped for 2 years during Covid, we barely moved the needle.
I know some people disagree with me on this, but I think we're beyond the point where personal responsibility is an effective tool to sort out the issue.
Hooray for capitalism! on 08:23 - Feb 26 by Herbivore
Yeah, as I said, we're fooked. We're reaping the consequences of being unwilling to tackle the inherent flaws of the system when political waters were calmer and more amenable. We've now got the uber capitalists calling the shots and trying to make out the problem is we've just not been capitalist enough. We're totally screwed.
Hooray for capitalism! on 08:37 - Feb 26 by nodge_blue
I think there is truth to that. Capitalism is just very good at feeding on individuals demands and offers the supply. You can argue that maybe it shapes the demand too and I take that argument as well. But ultimately we as individuals can still decide what we buy and use in our lives.
But we cant opt out altogether. We have to live and that involves needing food, water, housing, heating and we need to be able to buy those things because our most basic necessities are also a source of profit for wealthy folks. And if people stop buying stuff, all that will happen is that the workers who produce stuff will lose their jobs, there won't be any consequences for the most wealthy, they'll just pivot towards investing in the stuff that people absolutely can't do without.
Hooray for capitalism! on 08:41 - Feb 26 by DanTheMan
I think a powerful counterpoint (and it's one made in the article I posted above) is that when the entire world stopped for 2 years during Covid, we barely moved the needle.
I know some people disagree with me on this, but I think we're beyond the point where personal responsibility is an effective tool to sort out the issue.
The personal responsibility which counts the most now is to force change, smash unrestricted capitalism, whether that be by democratic means or other.
If that sounds like too big or too facile a response to anyone, then I don't think you've understood the scale of the threat. Our century of entitled comfort is at an end, we have to make best choices right now.
And those lovely ‘social democrats’ across the North Sea. “Norwegian [state] company Equinor have already scaled back their plans to invest in green energy.”
Over half of oil and gas is produced by state owned companies of varying ideologies. The world would still run on fossil fuels even without capitalism as did/does the non-western aligned countries. I think you’ll find the problem is humans - we’ve explored deep into our solar system, and cured some complex diseases, yet still llive in an age where people are happy to kill other humans over who’s god is mightiest, not as clever as we think we are .
Social democracy is a political ideology that exists within a capitalist system, Norway is very much a capitalist country.
Hooray for capitalism! on 08:41 - Feb 26 by DanTheMan
I think a powerful counterpoint (and it's one made in the article I posted above) is that when the entire world stopped for 2 years during Covid, we barely moved the needle.
I know some people disagree with me on this, but I think we're beyond the point where personal responsibility is an effective tool to sort out the issue.
The idea that we're going to fix climate change through individuals making different purchasing decisions is for the birds.
Hooray for capitalism! on 08:37 - Feb 26 by nodge_blue
I think there is truth to that. Capitalism is just very good at feeding on individuals demands and offers the supply. You can argue that maybe it shapes the demand too and I take that argument as well. But ultimately we as individuals can still decide what we buy and use in our lives.
I think it's more an illusion of choice now and getting more and more difficult.
Ade Akinbiyi couldn't hit a cows arse with a banjo...
Hooray for capitalism! on 08:56 - Feb 26 by Herbivore
Social democracy is a political ideology that exists within a capitalist system, Norway is very much a capitalist country.
It’s not ‘very much’, it’s a mixed market economy and Equinor is a state owned entity not driven by shareholder returns. The idea that without capitalism the planet would be in a better state seems a stretch given the egregious environmental damage the communists left in Eastern Europe. Why aren’t non-capitalist countries leading the charge for cleaning up the planet - they aren’t. Humans are the problem here, and our pointless wars will probably finish us before the climate does.
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Hooray for capitalism! on 09:18 - Feb 26 with 1980 views
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