| Sorry if old news - or even fake news, but it looks pretty good to me. 19:44 - Mar 11 with 1283 views | Lord_Lucan |
The US will immediately restore intelligence-sharing and security assistance to Ukraine, with Kyiv ready to accept a 30-day ceasefire with Russia. After talks in Saudi Arabia, US Secretary of State Marco Rubio said he hoped Russia would agree to the deal, but If they say no, ‘then we’ll unfortunately know what the impediment is to peace here’. |  |
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| Sorry if old news - or even fake news, but it looks pretty good to me. on 19:53 - Mar 11 with 1213 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
I wonder what the terms are for Russia. The fear previously was that Russia would simply use a temporary ceasefire to regroup.
A ceasefire that ultimately leads to a fair and lasting peace would be great news but I won't be holding my breath. I do hope that happens, though. |  |
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| Sorry if old news - or even fake news, but it looks pretty good to me. on 20:01 - Mar 11 with 1180 views | You_Bloo_Right |
Reported widely I believe.
I would say though that if Rubio doesn't already know what the impediment to peace is, he really hasn't been paying attention. |  |
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| Sorry if old news - or even fake news, but it looks pretty good to me. on 20:12 - Mar 11 with 1130 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Sorry if old news - or even fake news, but it looks pretty good to me. on 20:01 - Mar 11 by You_Bloo_Right |
Reported widely I believe.
I would say though that if Rubio doesn't already know what the impediment to peace is, he really hasn't been paying attention. |
In fairness he was a Ukraine supporter. It maybe that he is setting up a way of reverting to what he actually believes. Though Trump could easily just ignore it. |  | | |
| Sorry if old news - or even fake news, but it looks pretty good to me. on 20:15 - Mar 11 with 1119 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Sorry if old news - or even fake news, but it looks pretty good to me. on 20:12 - Mar 11 by redrickstuhaart |
In fairness he was a Ukraine supporter. It maybe that he is setting up a way of reverting to what he actually believes. Though Trump could easily just ignore it. |
Hang on, are you suggesting that the designated deal maker would do a deal outside of his remit? | |
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| Sorry if old news - or even fake news, but it looks pretty good to me. on 20:15 - Mar 11 with 1112 views | J2BLUE |
Russia will probably break it and claim Ukraine started it.
Putin would never lie to Trump because he respects him.
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| Sorry if old news - or even fake news, but it looks pretty good to me. on 20:27 - Mar 11 with 1086 views | Guthrum |
Trump cannot let Russia win on the battlefield, as that would remove his "peacemaker" dividend. Has to be through Trump-driven negotiations.
All depends now on how much - or if - Putin is looking for an off-ramp from the present situation. In the present circumstances, he could perhaps avoid "punishment" for having started the conflict (more so than if Biden was in the White House), get sanctions removed and the like. It's a matter of how he judges Trump's determination and whether he believes he can win militarily regardless.
I think if Putin rebuffs Trump's initiative, he may find the anger coming in his direction instead. Zelensky worked hard to get back on Trump's side after the unpleasant meeting. Putin has fewer friends to plead on his behalf and has more face to lose by kow-towing. |  |
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| Sorry if old news - or even fake news, but it looks pretty good to me. on 20:28 - Mar 11 with 1075 views | Guthrum |
| Sorry if old news - or even fake news, but it looks pretty good to me. on 20:15 - Mar 11 by Lord_Lucan |
Hang on, are you suggesting that the designated deal maker would do a deal outside of his remit? |
Happens from time to time. Depends how they can present it to the boss. | |
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| Sorry if old news - or even fake news, but it looks pretty good to me. on 20:40 - Mar 11 with 1032 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Sorry if old news - or even fake news, but it looks pretty good to me. on 20:27 - Mar 11 by Guthrum |
Trump cannot let Russia win on the battlefield, as that would remove his "peacemaker" dividend. Has to be through Trump-driven negotiations.
All depends now on how much - or if - Putin is looking for an off-ramp from the present situation. In the present circumstances, he could perhaps avoid "punishment" for having started the conflict (more so than if Biden was in the White House), get sanctions removed and the like. It's a matter of how he judges Trump's determination and whether he believes he can win militarily regardless.
I think if Putin rebuffs Trump's initiative, he may find the anger coming in his direction instead. Zelensky worked hard to get back on Trump's side after the unpleasant meeting. Putin has fewer friends to plead on his behalf and has more face to lose by kow-towing. |
Putin cannot win this unless USA actively come 100% out on his side and as weak as the west is against Uncle Sam I cannot see this being allowed to stick.
Lot's to go on this and it's obvious Trump wants the Ukraine resources. In a way you have to think that it's not a bad deal for life. I mean, everything has a cost, Do people think we fight wars for people free of charge? Blimey, I think UK only paid back USA and Canada back for their help in WW2 in 2006 | |
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| Sorry if old news - or even fake news, but it looks pretty good to me. on 20:44 - Mar 11 with 1001 views | Guthrum |
| Sorry if old news - or even fake news, but it looks pretty good to me. on 20:40 - Mar 11 by Lord_Lucan |
Putin cannot win this unless USA actively come 100% out on his side and as weak as the west is against Uncle Sam I cannot see this being allowed to stick.
Lot's to go on this and it's obvious Trump wants the Ukraine resources. In a way you have to think that it's not a bad deal for life. I mean, everything has a cost, Do people think we fight wars for people free of charge? Blimey, I think UK only paid back USA and Canada back for their help in WW2 in 2006 |
That is the case. If you add interest and stuff, plus timescale of returns, then the purported deal is not so far over the top.
Even if the USA completely abandoned Ukraine, the latter wouldn't stop fighting. It's quite possible the Russians wouldn't be doing much better in the war even then (especially if most of Europe was still backing Kyiv). | |
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| Sorry if old news - or even fake news, but it looks pretty good to me. on 20:48 - Mar 11 with 970 views | bluelagos |
| Sorry if old news - or even fake news, but it looks pretty good to me. on 20:40 - Mar 11 by Lord_Lucan |
Putin cannot win this unless USA actively come 100% out on his side and as weak as the west is against Uncle Sam I cannot see this being allowed to stick.
Lot's to go on this and it's obvious Trump wants the Ukraine resources. In a way you have to think that it's not a bad deal for life. I mean, everything has a cost, Do people think we fight wars for people free of charge? Blimey, I think UK only paid back USA and Canada back for their help in WW2 in 2006 |
The Marshall plan - that was for post war redevelopment rather than fighting in WW2.
Maybe someone more informed than me can confirm if the WW2 efforts were ever repaid ? |  |
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| Sorry if old news - or even fake news, but it looks pretty good to me. on 20:49 - Mar 11 with 961 views | bluelagos |
Defo some positive news - and looking much better than a week ago. Fingers crossed. | |
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| Sorry if old news - or even fake news, but it looks pretty good to me. on 20:50 - Mar 11 with 953 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Sorry if old news - or even fake news, but it looks pretty good to me. on 20:44 - Mar 11 by Guthrum |
That is the case. If you add interest and stuff, plus timescale of returns, then the purported deal is not so far over the top.
Even if the USA completely abandoned Ukraine, the latter wouldn't stop fighting. It's quite possible the Russians wouldn't be doing much better in the war even then (especially if most of Europe was still backing Kyiv). |
I think there is a chance that Europe and The Commonwealth will finally stand up to Trump in a pretty bolshy way if USA abandon Ukraine.
People like to poo poo The Commonwealth but I don't think they realise the influence and solidarity. | |
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| Sorry if old news - or even fake news, but it looks pretty good to me. on 20:52 - Mar 11 with 943 views | Guthrum |
| Sorry if old news - or even fake news, but it looks pretty good to me. on 20:50 - Mar 11 by Lord_Lucan |
I think there is a chance that Europe and The Commonwealth will finally stand up to Trump in a pretty bolshy way if USA abandon Ukraine.
People like to poo poo The Commonwealth but I don't think they realise the influence and solidarity. |
There's quite a few big players in the Commonwealth - not least India. | |
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| Sorry if old news - or even fake news, but it looks pretty good to me. on 20:55 - Mar 11 with 913 views | Plums |
| Sorry if old news - or even fake news, but it looks pretty good to me. on 20:40 - Mar 11 by Lord_Lucan |
Putin cannot win this unless USA actively come 100% out on his side and as weak as the west is against Uncle Sam I cannot see this being allowed to stick.
Lot's to go on this and it's obvious Trump wants the Ukraine resources. In a way you have to think that it's not a bad deal for life. I mean, everything has a cost, Do people think we fight wars for people free of charge? Blimey, I think UK only paid back USA and Canada back for their help in WW2 in 2006 |
I do hope Ukraine have told Trump he can have some of the minerals but only in the Russian occupied territory. That would add a very interesting dimension to things. |  |
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| Sorry if old news - or even fake news, but it looks pretty good to me. on 20:55 - Mar 11 with 909 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Sorry if old news - or even fake news, but it looks pretty good to me. on 20:52 - Mar 11 by Guthrum |
There's quite a few big players in the Commonwealth - not least India. |
I suppose the problem with India is that for some reason they are quite pro Russia.
I'm not joking but this is when Harry would be of benefit.
We will have to send Kate I suppose. | |
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| Sorry if old news - or even fake news, but it looks pretty good to me. on 20:57 - Mar 11 with 885 views | Guthrum |
| Sorry if old news - or even fake news, but it looks pretty good to me. on 20:48 - Mar 11 by bluelagos |
The Marshall plan - that was for post war redevelopment rather than fighting in WW2.
Maybe someone more informed than me can confirm if the WW2 efforts were ever repaid ? |
That wasn't the Marshall Plan (which didn't require repayment). It was a separate loan provided to the UK by the USA and Canada post-war to keep the country afloat and cover Lend-Lease commitments. That was the one paid off in 2006.
We defaulted on our WWI loans in the 1930s. | |
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| Sorry if old news - or even fake news, but it looks pretty good to me. on 21:01 - Mar 11 with 823 views | Guthrum |
| Sorry if old news - or even fake news, but it looks pretty good to me. on 20:55 - Mar 11 by Lord_Lucan |
I suppose the problem with India is that for some reason they are quite pro Russia.
I'm not joking but this is when Harry would be of benefit.
We will have to send Kate I suppose. |
With India it's historical with wanting to be more non-aligned during the Cold War, where they could obtain military and economic kit, plus the US having supported their great rivals Pakistan at different times and wanting a couterbalance to China.
In the Ukraine situation, they're happy to screw Russia for heavily discounted oil in exchange for a bit of fairly nominal support. | |
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| Sorry if old news - or even fake news, but it looks pretty good to me. on 21:02 - Mar 11 with 823 views | bluelagos |
| Sorry if old news - or even fake news, but it looks pretty good to me. on 20:57 - Mar 11 by Guthrum |
That wasn't the Marshall Plan (which didn't require repayment). It was a separate loan provided to the UK by the USA and Canada post-war to keep the country afloat and cover Lend-Lease commitments. That was the one paid off in 2006.
We defaulted on our WWI loans in the 1930s. |
Cheers | |
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| Sorry if old news - or even fake news, but it looks pretty good to me. on 21:08 - Mar 11 with 798 views | pointofblue |
This is arguably the most dangerous moment of the whole process. What happens if Putin says no?
I wouldn't be surprised if the attack on Moscow was agreed by the US at the very least; to highlight the 'risk' of continuing the war. | |
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| Sorry if old news - or even fake news, but it looks pretty good to me. on 21:14 - Mar 11 with 769 views | strikalite |
| Sorry if old news - or even fake news, but it looks pretty good to me. on 20:55 - Mar 11 by Plums |
I do hope Ukraine have told Trump he can have some of the minerals but only in the Russian occupied territory. That would add a very interesting dimension to things. |
Wouldn't it just..
If Russia aren't willing to hand back the taken Ukrainian land, then how can there ever be a peaceful solution to this? |  | | |
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