| I wonder what McKennas relegation release clause is 23:05 - Apr 9 with 9337 views | NeedhamChris |
Given his agent was such a tough negotiator, can't imagine he's left a prized managerial asset locked in too tightly. |  |
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| I wonder what McKennas relegation release clause is on 21:59 - Apr 14 with 912 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| I wonder what McKennas relegation release clause is on 20:54 - Apr 14 by darkhorse28 |
That’s fair enough. But which of the £100 odd million investment do you think we can sell for a profit?
Those sides haven’t just invested, they’ve invested in foreign talent ID, and networks and relationships, in ways we haven’t, and that’s essential at this level, the published agents fees illustrate that.
We’re stuck in the EFL.
Mitoma - he cost £3 million, they turned down £70 million, Mbeuno cost £7 million, what’s he worth £60 Million plus? What did Wolves sell Neves to Saudi for? Thanks to their Jorge Mendes relationship.
Whatever our journey, we were a premier league club this year, with more resources spent than any club ever in our position. It was a generational opportunity.
We didn’t do a Forest, and I get your point that they over spent, but so have we, we aren’t working within PSR this season, we are way over our £39 million losses now, and need to sell.
We haven’t recruited well, we won’t be selling anyone for a profit except Liam, and no Saudi team will be buying any of our assets. We missed a generational opportunity. That naught bit make me or you feel good, it might not be a comfortable narrative, but it is true. There are literally scores of players across those clubs, all better value than what we bought. Many cost less. And are higher quality, that doesn’t come without long term consequences.., we can’t just shrug and move on, part of the process, that’s not how football finance works (now). |
Please show your workings that show we will not be working within PSR? I and others have posted credible forecasts as to where we are likely to be next April. If you search the forum you’ll will find these.
As for the return / profit. The club have not bought in order to make a short term profit - they are long term investments. The investment is both in terms of their contribution to the team whilst they are here, and in some cases eventually the hope of a profit. Most have a high ceiling - but as they are youngsters, it will not be realised immediately. | | | |
| I wonder what McKennas relegation release clause is on 12:37 - Apr 15 with 759 views | AVJones |
| I wonder what McKennas relegation release clause is on 21:59 - Apr 14 by SuffolkPunchFC |
Please show your workings that show we will not be working within PSR? I and others have posted credible forecasts as to where we are likely to be next April. If you search the forum you’ll will find these.
As for the return / profit. The club have not bought in order to make a short term profit - they are long term investments. The investment is both in terms of their contribution to the team whilst they are here, and in some cases eventually the hope of a profit. Most have a high ceiling - but as they are youngsters, it will not be realised immediately. |
My worry on the sell for a profit / high ceiling argument is that players have clauses in their contracts limiting just that, just like Delap’s.
If Delap is a one-off then, yes, there is potentially lots of profit for many of the younger players. If they all have such clauses, then it is a concern.
I agree, I don’t think we have any issue with financial rules at the moment. Fees are spread over the years of the contracts.
The issue is our revenue falls very quickly unless we go straight back up. Next season is a real season of jeopardy - hopefully an exciting one with a successful conclusion… | | | |
| I wonder what McKennas relegation release clause is on 13:08 - Apr 15 with 733 views | blueasfook |
| I wonder what McKennas relegation release clause is on 22:42 - Apr 11 by darkhorse28 |
I don’t know how you do it Phil. You deserve a medal the size of a dustbin lid. I used to get the physical fanzine, and have followed almost daily ever since, a great source of information, and a wonderful resource, there should be an MBE for community services at the very least.., but honestly, what is wrong with people?
I’m liberal minded .., and I’ve spent years sticking up for this forum, when it’s often described as a liberal echo chamber of factional hatred and intolerance, but it’s true isn’t it. Lots of reductive tribal crap at least, it’s like football is just a vague proxy for some people.
There can only be one narrative, and ad hominem attacks are normal, any alternative views aren’t tolerated ., not even 1% .., it’s like a rabbit hole of confirmation bias and a living breathing homage to ‘lord of the flies’ .., I didn’t even post for engagement, just to vent at selling the best asset we’ve had in decades for half his market value. Anyway, good luck buddy, keep fighting the good fight.., and I’ll try again in another decade .., it’s like as a society, we’ve 100% lost the ability to just agree to disagree.., I blame Brexit (that will get an up vote as a curtain bow). |
I am cool though eh? I don't go with the flow man. I am my own boss. |  |
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| I wonder what McKennas relegation release clause is on 13:38 - Apr 15 with 690 views | DropCliffsNotBombs |
| I wonder what McKennas relegation release clause is on 20:40 - Apr 14 by darkhorse28 |
100% I’ve been coming here a lot longer than my 10 year registration, maybe 20 years or whenever the site was launched.
It’s great for the news, and Phil is a complete legend for his dedication etc
I’ve been er posted because there now a small but vocal number just here to hate, be factional, to troll, and bully, and stop engagement.
They are fragile, low IQ, factional, and can’t tolerate or process anyone having a view that isn’t their own.
It’s important to remember they are few in number, but they are a cohort who act like a small tribe trying to destroy anything different.., I’m suprised it’s tolerated. But it seems to be how society is too.
A forum should be about encouraging different views, agreeing to disagree. Learning, listening, and maybe or maybe not changing views…, that’s how ideas grow, by listening to people who disagree, it’s how we get the right answers to problems.
There’s bit much of that here.., it’s in part a small echo chamber devoid of ideas and difference, and genuine debate and discourse.., two word abuse seems to have become normal.
And although I’ve never posted.., I’ve been coming here for 20 years or more.., I didn’t think it used to be this bad.., you’d stay for Warkystache takes, or Romford (bad) tips or to see a great social resource of people who all had one thing in common.
Those really were the days. |
Who's going to play you in the movie? |  | | |
| I wonder what McKennas relegation release clause is on 14:21 - Apr 15 with 653 views | blueasfook |
| I wonder what McKennas relegation release clause is on 22:19 - Apr 11 by darkhorse28 |
It’s your level of factional crap that keeps many from posting (I imagine). I don’t know how Phil does it, should have been knighted decades ago for putting up with people’s need to be intolerant.
Does the idea you might be wrong frighten you? (That’s rhetorical).
My OP point wasn’t about McKenna staying, obviously I think we’re all glad he did.., it was about giving him a contract at that level, Brighton obviously thought for world class level salaries, they can get a manger proven to be that level.
KM has one good season in league one, and one exceptionally good season at championship level.
Most owners and CEO’s would walk away from that risk, when it’s such a big leap in quality and skills required.
If we don’t walk away at 5th best paid in the league, and one of the best paid in world football, where do you say no?? It was a big risk.
Do you think Brighton are kicking themselves, or thinking the dodged a bullet? (That’s rhetorical again)
And I’m 51…, spent six months with Sir Bobby in Portugal, and won’t be posting to be popular, or for likes, or to be intentionally controversial.., just my views, others are available, stick to posting what you think gets you most approval and validation, if that’s what you need. Let other people have their opinions, learn some respect and some tolerance, we all want success, nodding along isn’t always the answer. |
Do like I have done and put this div on Ignore. The only div I have on my div list actually. Speaks volumes for the quality of his posting on here. | |
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| I wonder what McKennas relegation release clause is on 14:43 - Apr 15 with 612 views | blueasfook |
| I wonder what McKennas relegation release clause is on 10:41 - Apr 13 by Herbivore |
I mean, it was a load of horse sh!t though. It's okay to be honest. If someone thinks I'm talking horse sh!t, they can tell me too. Your card isn't marked at all, you've been nothing but polite and I take no issue with what you've posted even if I don't fully agree with you. |
Guy is right. The poor DarkHorse fella has been given nothing but grief since he dared to post something "against the grain" with the usual suspects jumping on him too I note. If someone asked me to name the 4 or 5 protaganists giving him grief, I could name them without even looking. I feel sorry for the guy if he's been a reader of the site for 10 years and when he finally decides to jump in and post he's belittled and insulted. I've heard it said before that many read this board but don't post for that reason. Which is quite sad really.
I am a tw1t on here for sure, but I try not to make anyone feel unwelcome and I welcome alternate views - as long as they're not offensive. That's why I always stuck up for Frimmers, he got exactly the same pelters from the same bunch of people. Purely because he didn't see things always with blue tinted spectacles.
No offense to yourself by the way, we get on quite well these days Herbers! And you're not one of the main protaganists I am talking about here. | |
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| I wonder what McKennas relegation release clause is on 16:07 - Apr 15 with 541 views | Dennyx4 |
| I wonder what McKennas relegation release clause is on 20:54 - Apr 14 by darkhorse28 |
That’s fair enough. But which of the £100 odd million investment do you think we can sell for a profit?
Those sides haven’t just invested, they’ve invested in foreign talent ID, and networks and relationships, in ways we haven’t, and that’s essential at this level, the published agents fees illustrate that.
We’re stuck in the EFL.
Mitoma - he cost £3 million, they turned down £70 million, Mbeuno cost £7 million, what’s he worth £60 Million plus? What did Wolves sell Neves to Saudi for? Thanks to their Jorge Mendes relationship.
Whatever our journey, we were a premier league club this year, with more resources spent than any club ever in our position. It was a generational opportunity.
We didn’t do a Forest, and I get your point that they over spent, but so have we, we aren’t working within PSR this season, we are way over our £39 million losses now, and need to sell.
We haven’t recruited well, we won’t be selling anyone for a profit except Liam, and no Saudi team will be buying any of our assets. We missed a generational opportunity. That naught bit make me or you feel good, it might not be a comfortable narrative, but it is true. There are literally scores of players across those clubs, all better value than what we bought. Many cost less. And are higher quality, that doesn’t come without long term consequences.., we can’t just shrug and move on, part of the process, that’s not how football finance works (now). |
I don’t think you understand how PSR works or what the allowable limits are.
The allowable losses in the Premier League are 105m across three seasons, equivalent of a £35m loss per season. This will be allowed in the EFL as one season out of three.
The minimum you will earn this season is just over £100m and this goes up by just over £3m per position. If we finish 3rd bottom, we make approx £6m more than Southampton, assuming they finish bottom.
The purchases can be amortised over the length of the contracts issued, and the figures you quote include all the add ons for the players purchased, which in many cases wont have been triggered as some will no doubt relate to staying up.
For example, Delaps initial fee was £15m but reported as £20m (as this includes all of the add ons) I doubt very much, that many, if any of the clauses, will have been met yet. And more than likely a big % of the £5m would be linked to staying up, as we know, that would give us the money to be able to pay it.
Even if you want to stick to £130m spent this year, this would be amortised over the length of their contracts, which would be equivalent of approx £30m this year if all on 4 year contracts.
The Agent fees realised yesterday, indicates to me that our wage bill will be relatively low compared to any of the other Premier League teams, with relegation clauses very likely included.
Personally, think we will comfortably be within PSR rules, as we were looking to buy Broja for £30m at the end of August, and haven’t spent anywhere near that in January.
I know a lot of Norwich fans are hoping we have overspent,and may need to have a fire sale, but I just don’t see that. |  | | |
| I wonder what McKennas relegation release clause is on 16:27 - Apr 15 with 519 views | Herbivore |
| I wonder what McKennas relegation release clause is on 14:43 - Apr 15 by blueasfook |
Guy is right. The poor DarkHorse fella has been given nothing but grief since he dared to post something "against the grain" with the usual suspects jumping on him too I note. If someone asked me to name the 4 or 5 protaganists giving him grief, I could name them without even looking. I feel sorry for the guy if he's been a reader of the site for 10 years and when he finally decides to jump in and post he's belittled and insulted. I've heard it said before that many read this board but don't post for that reason. Which is quite sad really.
I am a tw1t on here for sure, but I try not to make anyone feel unwelcome and I welcome alternate views - as long as they're not offensive. That's why I always stuck up for Frimmers, he got exactly the same pelters from the same bunch of people. Purely because he didn't see things always with blue tinted spectacles.
No offense to yourself by the way, we get on quite well these days Herbers! And you're not one of the main protaganists I am talking about here. |
No offence taken. I think in this particular poster's case it's been the relentless negativity and condescending tone coupled with faux outrage that has probably led to them getting a bit of stick. At the end of the day, new poster or old poster, we're just a bunch of dickheads posting opinions on a football message board. There are more important things in life. |  |
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| I wonder what McKennas relegation release clause is on 22:41 - Apr 15 with 383 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| I wonder what McKennas relegation release clause is on 14:43 - Apr 15 by blueasfook |
Guy is right. The poor DarkHorse fella has been given nothing but grief since he dared to post something "against the grain" with the usual suspects jumping on him too I note. If someone asked me to name the 4 or 5 protaganists giving him grief, I could name them without even looking. I feel sorry for the guy if he's been a reader of the site for 10 years and when he finally decides to jump in and post he's belittled and insulted. I've heard it said before that many read this board but don't post for that reason. Which is quite sad really.
I am a tw1t on here for sure, but I try not to make anyone feel unwelcome and I welcome alternate views - as long as they're not offensive. That's why I always stuck up for Frimmers, he got exactly the same pelters from the same bunch of people. Purely because he didn't see things always with blue tinted spectacles.
No offense to yourself by the way, we get on quite well these days Herbers! And you're not one of the main protaganists I am talking about here. |
He posts nothing but disingenuous cr@p to bait others (evidence: he doesn't deal with people's very reasonable and factual points, he just ignores them and has even started a new thread to spread the same cr@p even further). That's why he has got grief.
Having differing views is fine if they're based in facts and logic. You can't just make up any old nonsense and say, "Well, it's just differing views" without people calling you out on it.
He's clearly a troll. I'm not surprised you feel empathy with him. |  |
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| I wonder what McKennas relegation release clause is on 22:49 - Apr 15 with 368 views | blueasfook |
| I wonder what McKennas relegation release clause is on 22:41 - Apr 15 by The_Flashing_Smile |
He posts nothing but disingenuous cr@p to bait others (evidence: he doesn't deal with people's very reasonable and factual points, he just ignores them and has even started a new thread to spread the same cr@p even further). That's why he has got grief.
Having differing views is fine if they're based in facts and logic. You can't just make up any old nonsense and say, "Well, it's just differing views" without people calling you out on it.
He's clearly a troll. I'm not surprised you feel empathy with him. |
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