| Based on the squad we have now... 09:33 - Apr 14 with 6873 views | muccletonjoe |
We Finnish top of championship next season
How many players can we afford to lose before we start going down league places ? |  | | |  |
| Based on the squad we have now... on 09:40 - Apr 14 with 4501 views | davblue |
N/A [Post edited 14 Apr 9:45]
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| Based on the squad we have now... on 09:44 - Apr 14 with 4474 views | muccletonjoe |
| Based on the squad we have now... on 09:40 - Apr 14 by davblue |
N/A [Post edited 14 Apr 9:45]
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I dont think so. But if we lose Delap, the loan players and the out of contract players , I think we would be struggling to make top 6 without adding in at least 2 or 3 top signings. | | | |
| Based on the squad we have now... on 09:45 - Apr 14 with 4475 views | davblue |
I don't like these posts it's all very arrogant the Championship deserves more respect than that and we are Ipswich Town, not Newcastle coming down.
We are going to have to work our arses off again to even make the play offs. We are in a totally different position to when we came up.
1. We have better players
2. Its yet to be proven we are a better team
3. Connections aren't as good as the team that went up
4. Who do we lose, manager, players?
5. We don't have winning momentum
6. We might start slowly, hangover readjustment period needed | | | |
| Based on the squad we have now... on 09:46 - Apr 14 with 4429 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| Based on the squad we have now... on 09:44 - Apr 14 by muccletonjoe |
I dont think so. But if we lose Delap, the loan players and the out of contract players , I think we would be struggling to make top 6 without adding in at least 2 or 3 top signings. |
I still think it would be a top 6 team. There is a real lack of quality in the champ from positions like 5th-15th. All of them are very similar.
Im sure we will be active in the market and will be a very attractive proposition for loan clubs. Im sure those top signings will happen |  |
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| Based on the squad we have now... on 09:52 - Apr 14 with 4370 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Based on the squad we have now... on 09:46 - Apr 14 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
I still think it would be a top 6 team. There is a real lack of quality in the champ from positions like 5th-15th. All of them are very similar.
Im sure we will be active in the market and will be a very attractive proposition for loan clubs. Im sure those top signings will happen |
Indeed. It would be one of the best 2-3 squads in the division.
However, it is about the results the team produces on the pitch over the course of the season. There is every chance our current squad could fail to win promotion and every chance one without any of our current best 12 players still could. |  |
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| Based on the squad we have now... on 09:54 - Apr 14 with 4355 views | blueasfook |
| Based on the squad we have now... on 09:45 - Apr 14 by davblue |
I don't like these posts it's all very arrogant the Championship deserves more respect than that and we are Ipswich Town, not Newcastle coming down.
We are going to have to work our arses off again to even make the play offs. We are in a totally different position to when we came up.
1. We have better players
2. Its yet to be proven we are a better team
3. Connections aren't as good as the team that went up
4. Who do we lose, manager, players?
5. We don't have winning momentum
6. We might start slowly, hangover readjustment period needed |
I am encouraged by Burnley and Sheff Utd challenging again after relegation but not so encouraged by Luton's fall from grace! |  |
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| Based on the squad we have now... on 09:57 - Apr 14 with 4307 views | pointofblue |
| Based on the squad we have now... on 09:45 - Apr 14 by davblue |
I don't like these posts it's all very arrogant the Championship deserves more respect than that and we are Ipswich Town, not Newcastle coming down.
We are going to have to work our arses off again to even make the play offs. We are in a totally different position to when we came up.
1. We have better players
2. Its yet to be proven we are a better team
3. Connections aren't as good as the team that went up
4. Who do we lose, manager, players?
5. We don't have winning momentum
6. We might start slowly, hangover readjustment period needed |
It think there's a balance between not being arrogant but placing expectation on the management team and players. Things may not work out next season, but they should. Considering the amount of investment in the squad, and income from the likes of Delap (albeit not as much as we could get) and maybe Davis/O'Shea/Hutchinson, we should be contending the title next season. And, if we're not, questions need to be asked. |  |
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| Based on the squad we have now... on 10:00 - Apr 14 with 4272 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| Based on the squad we have now... on 09:45 - Apr 14 by davblue |
I don't like these posts it's all very arrogant the Championship deserves more respect than that and we are Ipswich Town, not Newcastle coming down.
We are going to have to work our arses off again to even make the play offs. We are in a totally different position to when we came up.
1. We have better players
2. Its yet to be proven we are a better team
3. Connections aren't as good as the team that went up
4. Who do we lose, manager, players?
5. We don't have winning momentum
6. We might start slowly, hangover readjustment period needed |
It is not arrogant to suggest that a team going down with parachute money who signed a bunch of the championships best players should be competing at the top of the championship.
Of course if it was always that simple nobody would watch football. But I would reject that it is in any way arrogant. | |
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| Based on the squad we have now... on 10:11 - Apr 14 with 4219 views | Guthrum |
| Based on the squad we have now... on 10:00 - Apr 14 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
It is not arrogant to suggest that a team going down with parachute money who signed a bunch of the championships best players should be competing at the top of the championship.
Of course if it was always that simple nobody would watch football. But I would reject that it is in any way arrogant. |
Mmm, I don't know. A lot of people were annoyed at the attitudes of Leicester and Leeds last season, their assumption of superiority and the inevitability of success. Think we should be wary of making that mistake (doubt McKenna would allow himself and the team to). |  |
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| Based on the squad we have now... on 10:13 - Apr 14 with 4206 views | bournemouthblue |
How many do we need to lose realistically? Probably about 3 (main players), we will recruit aggressively again
We really should be going out and buying the best players at this level [Post edited 14 Apr 11:33]
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| Based on the squad we have now... on 10:17 - Apr 14 with 4185 views | Wacko |
There's Norway McKenna will let us take anything for granted. It would be Swede if we won the league though | |
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| Based on the squad we have now... on 10:18 - Apr 14 with 4157 views | davblue |
| Based on the squad we have now... on 10:00 - Apr 14 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
It is not arrogant to suggest that a team going down with parachute money who signed a bunch of the championships best players should be competing at the top of the championship.
Of course if it was always that simple nobody would watch football. But I would reject that it is in any way arrogant. |
we should be near the top of the table, i have no doubts about that talent wise but this incarnation of McKenna 2.0 still has it all to prove.
There's more to it than players on paper, much, much more and we aren't traditionally a club that just bounces back, i can't remember us doing it in the 30 odd years i've been following us. Every time we've gone down we have stayed down for a period of time. | | | |
| Based on the squad we have now... on 10:19 - Apr 14 with 4150 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Based on the squad we have now... on 10:00 - Apr 14 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
It is not arrogant to suggest that a team going down with parachute money who signed a bunch of the championships best players should be competing at the top of the championship.
Of course if it was always that simple nobody would watch football. But I would reject that it is in any way arrogant. |
I think the arrogance is to say "based on the squad we have now We Finnish top of championship next season"
That isn't how football works. The best squad on paper does not always win the league. Or to put it another way, do Forest have the 3rd best squad in the league? Or do Man Utd and Tottenham have the 13th and 15th best ones? How good are Wolves' squad when they are finishing around 16th but are currently joint 2nd in the form table? | |
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| Based on the squad we have now... on 10:22 - Apr 14 with 4105 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| Based on the squad we have now... on 10:11 - Apr 14 by Guthrum |
Mmm, I don't know. A lot of people were annoyed at the attitudes of Leicester and Leeds last season, their assumption of superiority and the inevitability of success. Think we should be wary of making that mistake (doubt McKenna would allow himself and the team to). |
IIRC I think that was more the nature of Leicester and Leeds dismissing us as serious competition as opposed to them believing they should be going for top 2, because with the squads they had they were sort of justified. The jeopardy is you don't get it and you end up with egg on your face but I had no issue with them thinking they should be up there. | |
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| Based on the squad we have now... on 10:23 - Apr 14 with 4096 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| Based on the squad we have now... on 10:18 - Apr 14 by davblue |
we should be near the top of the table, i have no doubts about that talent wise but this incarnation of McKenna 2.0 still has it all to prove.
There's more to it than players on paper, much, much more and we aren't traditionally a club that just bounces back, i can't remember us doing it in the 30 odd years i've been following us. Every time we've gone down we have stayed down for a period of time. |
Mckenna 2.0 ? | |
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| Based on the squad we have now... on 10:25 - Apr 14 with 4084 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| Based on the squad we have now... on 10:19 - Apr 14 by Nthsuffolkblue |
I think the arrogance is to say "based on the squad we have now We Finnish top of championship next season"
That isn't how football works. The best squad on paper does not always win the league. Or to put it another way, do Forest have the 3rd best squad in the league? Or do Man Utd and Tottenham have the 13th and 15th best ones? How good are Wolves' squad when they are finishing around 16th but are currently joint 2nd in the form table? |
Manchester United might might actually have a squad that bad tbf.
I take your point and I would never say we will finish top so that is fair. But I don't want to play down our chances either and I'm sure the club wont internally. | |
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| Based on the squad we have now... on 10:28 - Apr 14 with 4065 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Based on the squad we have now... on 10:25 - Apr 14 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
Manchester United might might actually have a squad that bad tbf.
I take your point and I would never say we will finish top so that is fair. But I don't want to play down our chances either and I'm sure the club wont internally. |
My son stated the same as your first sentence too!
I think their players are far better than that but they do not perform as a team. To a degree we have suffered a bit from the same. We haven't built partnerships from the players we have got in. That is something we need to do into next season. | |
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| Based on the squad we have now... on 10:33 - Apr 14 with 4043 views | Guthrum |
| Based on the squad we have now... on 10:22 - Apr 14 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
IIRC I think that was more the nature of Leicester and Leeds dismissing us as serious competition as opposed to them believing they should be going for top 2, because with the squads they had they were sort of justified. The jeopardy is you don't get it and you end up with egg on your face but I had no issue with them thinking they should be up there. |
There will be some dangerous opponents next season in the Champ. Overclocked Brum and Wrexham sides hoping to "do an Ipswich", Coventry, Leeds after they fail in the play-offs.
An assumption of one's own strength too often goes hand-in-hand with diminishing rivals. | |
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| Based on the squad we have now... on 10:39 - Apr 14 with 4009 views | IPSWICHFANITFC |
| Based on the squad we have now... on 09:45 - Apr 14 by davblue |
I don't like these posts it's all very arrogant the Championship deserves more respect than that and we are Ipswich Town, not Newcastle coming down.
We are going to have to work our arses off again to even make the play offs. We are in a totally different position to when we came up.
1. We have better players
2. Its yet to be proven we are a better team
3. Connections aren't as good as the team that went up
4. Who do we lose, manager, players?
5. We don't have winning momentum
6. We might start slowly, hangover readjustment period needed |
Think you're spot on. I am sure Luton fans were having similar thoughts to us at this stage last season too and now find themselves staring at League 1 (with a season defining game on Friday away at Derby!).
I agree with other comments that the Championship doesn't appear to be as strong this season, but I think we will have a bit of work to do in the summer to get the squad into a position where it's fighting for promotion. |  |
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| Based on the squad we have now... on 10:45 - Apr 14 with 3960 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| Based on the squad we have now... on 10:33 - Apr 14 by Guthrum |
There will be some dangerous opponents next season in the Champ. Overclocked Brum and Wrexham sides hoping to "do an Ipswich", Coventry, Leeds after they fail in the play-offs.
An assumption of one's own strength too often goes hand-in-hand with diminishing rivals. |
I would be more bullish on Brum then Wrexham. Birmingham have stronger base to build on than Wrexham who I think have a squad quite a way off the top end of the champ, but I wouldn't expect them to be in any sort of relegation trouble given their momentum, which would be a very impressive achievement. Leeds will be up now, surely, would take a serious Leeds bottle.
I just disagree if I'm honest. I'm not saying for one minute the championship will be easy. It never is. But I am happy to say we will have a very good championship squad that should be capable to competing at the top of division, I don't think it is in any way controversial or arrogant. | |
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| Based on the squad we have now... on 10:53 - Apr 14 with 3920 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Based on the squad we have now... on 10:39 - Apr 14 by IPSWICHFANITFC |
Think you're spot on. I am sure Luton fans were having similar thoughts to us at this stage last season too and now find themselves staring at League 1 (with a season defining game on Friday away at Derby!).
I agree with other comments that the Championship doesn't appear to be as strong this season, but I think we will have a bit of work to do in the summer to get the squad into a position where it's fighting for promotion. |
It would be interesting what the expectations of an average Luton fan were. They were not in anything like as good a position as we are.
They went up through the play offs well behind the top 2. Their standout performers in the Premier League had been players like Barkley and Townsend who were never going to stay nor go for decent money. They hadn't signed the pick of top-performing Championship players to add to an already-top Championship squad. | |
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| Based on the squad we have now... on 10:55 - Apr 14 with 3889 views | davblue |
| Based on the squad we have now... on 10:23 - Apr 14 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
Mckenna 2.0 ? |
sorry should be McKenna's team 2.0. | | | |
| Based on the squad we have now... on 10:56 - Apr 14 with 3863 views | davblue |
| Based on the squad we have now... on 10:33 - Apr 14 by Guthrum |
There will be some dangerous opponents next season in the Champ. Overclocked Brum and Wrexham sides hoping to "do an Ipswich", Coventry, Leeds after they fail in the play-offs.
An assumption of one's own strength too often goes hand-in-hand with diminishing rivals. |
i can't see Wrexham doing it in the Championship. They are a team of journeymen, who they've thrown decent wages at in league 1 and league 2.
Think they will stay up, but top 6, i would be very surprised, unless they go heavy in the summer market. | | | |
| Based on the squad we have now... on 11:01 - Apr 14 with 3815 views | IPSWICHFANITFC |
| Based on the squad we have now... on 10:53 - Apr 14 by Nthsuffolkblue |
It would be interesting what the expectations of an average Luton fan were. They were not in anything like as good a position as we are.
They went up through the play offs well behind the top 2. Their standout performers in the Premier League had been players like Barkley and Townsend who were never going to stay nor go for decent money. They hadn't signed the pick of top-performing Championship players to add to an already-top Championship squad. |
That's a good point on the average Luton fan, but they did retain the majority of their squad. I'm sure they were probably fearful of losing someone like Doughty as well but they retained him.
They lost Barkley and Townsend like you said, they also lost Lokonga who was there on loan. Obviously Ogbene came here and I think one of their CB's went to a French side, but aside from those 5, they've kept the squad together and you expect that on paper, it was definitely a squad more capable of finishing higher than where they're currently heading. | |
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| Based on the squad we have now... on 11:02 - Apr 14 with 3802 views | baxterbasics |
| Based on the squad we have now... on 10:55 - Apr 14 by davblue |
sorry should be McKenna's team 2.0. |
It does feel a bit like a reset for McKenna and 'his' team next season doesn't it? Feels to me like the first McKenna era is ending even if he does stay on as expected, and the core of that team that went from L1 to the PL is going to be down to bare bones and new blood will come in. We are almost starting again albeit from a higher base.
In this light I would still expect us to be strong top 6 contenders but agree with sentiments we can't take top 2 for granted. Hoping KM still has the magic touch at this level. |  |
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