| Trump is truly transparent and pathetic 19:39 - Apr 18 with 6195 views | redrickstuhaart |
They are going to "pass" on peace talks if there is no progress.
Like they were ever genuine.
He talks about peace talks as if they are someone offering him a second hand car, which he can take or leave. This is the same man who said he'd solve it in 24 hours. He has no genuine interest in peace at all. People stood up to him and said no to capitulation, which conflicts with his Russian trade ambitions, so he will drop it as an inconvenience.
The US is a terrifying prospect now. Russia has US and Chinese support. |  | | |  |
| Trump is truly transparent and pathetic on 11:20 - Apr 19 with 1708 views | Churchman |
| Trump is truly transparent and pathetic on 10:24 - Apr 19 by vapour_trail |
Did this make sense in your head? |
I think regardless of whether it makes any sense in his head, nurse needs to up the dose. |  | | |
| Trump is truly transparent and pathetic on 11:24 - Apr 19 with 1696 views | mellowblue |
| Trump is truly transparent and pathetic on 20:31 - Apr 18 by Guthrum |
Tho I could see Medvedev flipping back again (to Mr Reasonable), if Putin and Lavrov are out of the way. Pulling the Krushchev stunt. |
I believe you to be right on this. Putin does the dirty work, exits stage left content in his achievements. Medvedev steps back in to rebuild international relationships . Still young (in Biden/Trump terms), has been president before when Russia had the 2 terms policy and would be a safe pair of hands for the Russian power-brokers moving forward. Been supportive to Putin yet hasn't totally alienated himself from the West, a few outbursts aside. Pragmatic and can change his stance and views to match the political situation. Typical modern chameleon politician really. | | | |
| Trump is truly transparent and pathetic on 12:49 - Apr 19 with 1628 views | WD19 |
| Trump is truly transparent and pathetic on 11:04 - Apr 19 by redrickstuhaart |
This looks badly translated by a bot. |
There is definitely a bot bot element to it…. |  | | |
| Trump is truly transparent and pathetic on 14:31 - Apr 19 with 1581 views | darkhorse28 |
| Trump is truly transparent and pathetic on 10:28 - Apr 19 by BlueBadger |
I know it's a bank holiday weekend, but it's still far too early to be drinking this heavily. |
Have you spent a lot of time supporting the Ukrainian efforts? Have you spoken to many Ukrainians, have you actually listened to them and seen the actual devastation caused.
To not want the war to end, immediately, is beyond cruel.
There does need to be a solution, so if you want it to be on the battle field, explain to me your plan to defeat Russia. | | | |
| Trump is truly transparent and pathetic on 14:45 - Apr 19 with 1556 views | darkhorse28 |
| Trump is truly transparent and pathetic on 10:34 - Apr 19 by BlueBadger |
It's that much of a ludicrous word salad that I'm starting to think that it might even be the Orange Rapist himself. |
You sound vile, genuinely so factional and broken at this point.
Did you just spend so long letting your echo chamber persuade you, you were fighting monsters, that you became the monster??
Why on earth would you want to send 800k men to their deaths to make billions and billions for people who place zero value on human life.
It’s not about sides, of course Russia are the aggressors and Ukraine sovereignty must be protected, but Ukraine can’t ever win the war, not ever, it’s impossible, and that’s important…, a proxy war where people make money off their suffering doesn’t help Ukraine. They need solutions, and the time to be ‘strong’ against Russia isn’t 3 years into a conflict, it was decades ago when politicians refused to be strong and stand up to them, in the US and in the EU and the UK.
I don’t like Trump. But he’s right Putin wouldn’t have invaded with him in charge, they’re bolshy, they aren’t stupid.
I’ve housed a Ukrainian family, during the first year of the conflict, a good (Ukrainian) friends sister and 2 of her 3 daughters.
I promise you, acting tough behind a keyboard is one thing, having strong views born of a media bubble only designed to make money is another.
But if you actually stopped. Engaged with Ukrainians, and listened to them, they largely don’t agree with you.
You live is such a bubble.
If men you know were thrown in to vans and sent to die (against there wishes but within the law) would you still want it to go on forever?
We don’t report in the UK the actual suffering, and how the weight falls on a small demographic, mostly young men.
In fact we’ve done a great job in the west avoiding having honest conversations about the suffering.
We seem more worried by giant oak trees being chopped down.., it’s not the kindest society that can ignore the suffering, and prioritise ‘ideals’ to make huge sums of money.
Just look at defence stock prices.., Germany spending £300 billion on weapons.
There is only a negotiated settlement.., it doesn’t have to include the US but it DOES have to include Russia.., everyone in Ukraine accepts that.
There isn’t a scenario where Russia is ground down before the Ukraine, that doesn’t exist.
So what’s you solution?
Other than using 800k dead men as a proxy for your own tribal politics!! | | | |
| Trump is truly transparent and pathetic on 14:47 - Apr 19 with 1552 views | You_Bloo_Right |
| Trump is truly transparent and pathetic on 14:31 - Apr 19 by darkhorse28 |
Have you spent a lot of time supporting the Ukrainian efforts? Have you spoken to many Ukrainians, have you actually listened to them and seen the actual devastation caused.
To not want the war to end, immediately, is beyond cruel.
There does need to be a solution, so if you want it to be on the battle field, explain to me your plan to defeat Russia. |
What does an "immediate" end of the war look like?
What are the views of Ukrainians on that particular end? |  |
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| Trump is truly transparent and pathetic on 14:50 - Apr 19 with 1547 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Trump is truly transparent and pathetic on 14:45 - Apr 19 by darkhorse28 |
You sound vile, genuinely so factional and broken at this point.
Did you just spend so long letting your echo chamber persuade you, you were fighting monsters, that you became the monster??
Why on earth would you want to send 800k men to their deaths to make billions and billions for people who place zero value on human life.
It’s not about sides, of course Russia are the aggressors and Ukraine sovereignty must be protected, but Ukraine can’t ever win the war, not ever, it’s impossible, and that’s important…, a proxy war where people make money off their suffering doesn’t help Ukraine. They need solutions, and the time to be ‘strong’ against Russia isn’t 3 years into a conflict, it was decades ago when politicians refused to be strong and stand up to them, in the US and in the EU and the UK.
I don’t like Trump. But he’s right Putin wouldn’t have invaded with him in charge, they’re bolshy, they aren’t stupid.
I’ve housed a Ukrainian family, during the first year of the conflict, a good (Ukrainian) friends sister and 2 of her 3 daughters.
I promise you, acting tough behind a keyboard is one thing, having strong views born of a media bubble only designed to make money is another.
But if you actually stopped. Engaged with Ukrainians, and listened to them, they largely don’t agree with you.
You live is such a bubble.
If men you know were thrown in to vans and sent to die (against there wishes but within the law) would you still want it to go on forever?
We don’t report in the UK the actual suffering, and how the weight falls on a small demographic, mostly young men.
In fact we’ve done a great job in the west avoiding having honest conversations about the suffering.
We seem more worried by giant oak trees being chopped down.., it’s not the kindest society that can ignore the suffering, and prioritise ‘ideals’ to make huge sums of money.
Just look at defence stock prices.., Germany spending £300 billion on weapons.
There is only a negotiated settlement.., it doesn’t have to include the US but it DOES have to include Russia.., everyone in Ukraine accepts that.
There isn’t a scenario where Russia is ground down before the Ukraine, that doesn’t exist.
So what’s you solution?
Other than using 800k dead men as a proxy for your own tribal politics!! |
Of course theyd have invaded with Trump in charge. No reason not to. He would have done nothing at all.
What does an immediate end look like? You seem to be railing at everyone, without actually saying what they have wrong.
One side can end the war tomorrow. But is under absolutely no pressure to do so. The other would love to see it end tomorrow but cannot make that happen, short of ceasing to exist. [Post edited 19 Apr 15:00]
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| Trump is truly transparent and pathetic on 15:00 - Apr 19 with 1521 views | BlueBadger |
| Trump is truly transparent and pathetic on 14:31 - Apr 19 by darkhorse28 |
Have you spent a lot of time supporting the Ukrainian efforts? Have you spoken to many Ukrainians, have you actually listened to them and seen the actual devastation caused.
To not want the war to end, immediately, is beyond cruel.
There does need to be a solution, so if you want it to be on the battle field, explain to me your plan to defeat Russia. |
Would you say that you're extremely keanish on an appeasement policy? |  |
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| Trump is truly transparent and pathetic on 15:06 - Apr 19 with 1506 views | BlueBadger |
| Trump is truly transparent and pathetic on 11:04 - Apr 19 by redrickstuhaart |
This looks badly translated by a bot. |
Not so much AI as AS. | |
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| Trump is truly transparent and pathetic on 15:58 - Apr 19 with 1437 views | BloomBlue |
| Trump is truly transparent and pathetic on 14:50 - Apr 19 by redrickstuhaart |
Of course theyd have invaded with Trump in charge. No reason not to. He would have done nothing at all.
What does an immediate end look like? You seem to be railing at everyone, without actually saying what they have wrong.
One side can end the war tomorrow. But is under absolutely no pressure to do so. The other would love to see it end tomorrow but cannot make that happen, short of ceasing to exist. [Post edited 19 Apr 15:00]
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True, but they didn't invade when he was President before, they waited until Biden became President.
However, the biggest culprit is Obama. He did nothing when Putin went into Crimea or Syria even though he talked about red lines crossed. It was Obama being weak that emboldened Putin. |  | | |
| Trump is truly transparent and pathetic on 16:18 - Apr 19 with 1430 views | darkhorse28 |
| Trump is truly transparent and pathetic on 15:00 - Apr 19 by BlueBadger |
Would you say that you're extremely keanish on an appeasement policy? |
You don’t want to understand anything do you, you’re just in it for the tribe, the group ID, the validation, the factionalism.
That you share that with Trump and Putin would be lost on you.
It’s a hugely complex issue, not one that I’m even close to an expert on, I do try to understand the issues and not just the tribal crap, and need to hate, you should try it.
I’ve been to Estonia, spent time on the Russian border in Lithuania, and I have Ukrainian friends, and hosted a family for 3 months 2 years ago.
I listen, I talk to people, I try to understand other perspectives and views and to listen, and learn, and to challenge my own views .., and I still know, I know very little.
I was shocked in Estonia and Lithuania how much money we (EU) had spent, it was eye watering.., and this was maybe ten or more years ago.
I don’t have strong views on that, sovereign countries can do what they like, the locals loved it, but it was clearly a political choice to marginalise Russia ., we are talking infrastructure spending on a huge scale.
I voted Remain, I lived and studied in Portugal, in Porto, when Bobby was coach.., I always feel more European than anything, but I’m lucky I can live and work anywhere.
I was born in the poorest areas in the North, and if I’m honest, I can understand why they largely voted to leave the EU…, I don’t think anyone had an opportunity to vote for the ideological expansionism the EU have been motivated by (at times).., so I see the frustrations.
It’s also why the EU will never be able to negotiate a settlement with Russia.
They interfere in EU and UK politics, and we interfere in theirs.., there’s zero trust on either side, and with merit.
So it really is a negotiated settlement by the US, or settled on the battlefield.
And from a human perspective, I’d hope for a negotiated settlement, and quickly.
I don’t want the innocent people of either country to suffer.
Russian aggression needs to end, but we can’t defeat them on the battlefield without escalation, it isn’t possible. That doesn’t mean we cave in, but we do need to engage meaningfully.
If you think we can win on the battlefield, then how? . Woukdnt that require EU boots on the ground?
Shall you and I sign up? Would you fight for a Ukrainian victory on the battlefield? .., and if not, why do you think young men in their teens, should be thrown into vehicles and taken to the frontline to die?
Why are you happy to sit behind a keyboard and ask others to do what you won’t?
Is it because like Trump and Putin, you enjoy the factionalism more than you enjoy ending the sufference. More than you enjoy the actual consequences of a never ending conflict.
At best, it’s unkind, it lacks any human empathy. | | | |
| Trump is truly transparent and pathetic on 17:32 - Apr 19 with 1367 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Trump is truly transparent and pathetic on 16:18 - Apr 19 by darkhorse28 |
You don’t want to understand anything do you, you’re just in it for the tribe, the group ID, the validation, the factionalism.
That you share that with Trump and Putin would be lost on you.
It’s a hugely complex issue, not one that I’m even close to an expert on, I do try to understand the issues and not just the tribal crap, and need to hate, you should try it.
I’ve been to Estonia, spent time on the Russian border in Lithuania, and I have Ukrainian friends, and hosted a family for 3 months 2 years ago.
I listen, I talk to people, I try to understand other perspectives and views and to listen, and learn, and to challenge my own views .., and I still know, I know very little.
I was shocked in Estonia and Lithuania how much money we (EU) had spent, it was eye watering.., and this was maybe ten or more years ago.
I don’t have strong views on that, sovereign countries can do what they like, the locals loved it, but it was clearly a political choice to marginalise Russia ., we are talking infrastructure spending on a huge scale.
I voted Remain, I lived and studied in Portugal, in Porto, when Bobby was coach.., I always feel more European than anything, but I’m lucky I can live and work anywhere.
I was born in the poorest areas in the North, and if I’m honest, I can understand why they largely voted to leave the EU…, I don’t think anyone had an opportunity to vote for the ideological expansionism the EU have been motivated by (at times).., so I see the frustrations.
It’s also why the EU will never be able to negotiate a settlement with Russia.
They interfere in EU and UK politics, and we interfere in theirs.., there’s zero trust on either side, and with merit.
So it really is a negotiated settlement by the US, or settled on the battlefield.
And from a human perspective, I’d hope for a negotiated settlement, and quickly.
I don’t want the innocent people of either country to suffer.
Russian aggression needs to end, but we can’t defeat them on the battlefield without escalation, it isn’t possible. That doesn’t mean we cave in, but we do need to engage meaningfully.
If you think we can win on the battlefield, then how? . Woukdnt that require EU boots on the ground?
Shall you and I sign up? Would you fight for a Ukrainian victory on the battlefield? .., and if not, why do you think young men in their teens, should be thrown into vehicles and taken to the frontline to die?
Why are you happy to sit behind a keyboard and ask others to do what you won’t?
Is it because like Trump and Putin, you enjoy the factionalism more than you enjoy ending the sufference. More than you enjoy the actual consequences of a never ending conflict.
At best, it’s unkind, it lacks any human empathy. |
Another word salad which carefulyl dodges the direct questions which have been posed.
Again you rail against all sorts of imaginary things, but avoid telling us what you say should be done and what the outcome would be. | | | |
| Trump is truly transparent and pathetic on 17:50 - Apr 19 with 1341 views | mellowblue |
| Trump is truly transparent and pathetic on 17:32 - Apr 19 by redrickstuhaart |
Another word salad which carefulyl dodges the direct questions which have been posed.
Again you rail against all sorts of imaginary things, but avoid telling us what you say should be done and what the outcome would be. |
I don't see an outcome that is acceptable to both sides. Putin sees unfinished business, Z is being worked over by the U.S and cannot be seen to be giving territory away. Bad legacy vibes. That is the problem with stalemate wars. Not quite stalemate as Russia still just about have the upper hand. Will be interesting to see if their impending offensive changes that. Traditionally Ukraine is a mud bowl in Spring until it dries up, which should be happening at the present time. | | | |
| Trump is truly transparent and pathetic on 19:23 - Apr 19 with 1270 views | You_Bloo_Right |
| Trump is truly transparent and pathetic on 16:18 - Apr 19 by darkhorse28 |
You don’t want to understand anything do you, you’re just in it for the tribe, the group ID, the validation, the factionalism.
That you share that with Trump and Putin would be lost on you.
It’s a hugely complex issue, not one that I’m even close to an expert on, I do try to understand the issues and not just the tribal crap, and need to hate, you should try it.
I’ve been to Estonia, spent time on the Russian border in Lithuania, and I have Ukrainian friends, and hosted a family for 3 months 2 years ago.
I listen, I talk to people, I try to understand other perspectives and views and to listen, and learn, and to challenge my own views .., and I still know, I know very little.
I was shocked in Estonia and Lithuania how much money we (EU) had spent, it was eye watering.., and this was maybe ten or more years ago.
I don’t have strong views on that, sovereign countries can do what they like, the locals loved it, but it was clearly a political choice to marginalise Russia ., we are talking infrastructure spending on a huge scale.
I voted Remain, I lived and studied in Portugal, in Porto, when Bobby was coach.., I always feel more European than anything, but I’m lucky I can live and work anywhere.
I was born in the poorest areas in the North, and if I’m honest, I can understand why they largely voted to leave the EU…, I don’t think anyone had an opportunity to vote for the ideological expansionism the EU have been motivated by (at times).., so I see the frustrations.
It’s also why the EU will never be able to negotiate a settlement with Russia.
They interfere in EU and UK politics, and we interfere in theirs.., there’s zero trust on either side, and with merit.
So it really is a negotiated settlement by the US, or settled on the battlefield.
And from a human perspective, I’d hope for a negotiated settlement, and quickly.
I don’t want the innocent people of either country to suffer.
Russian aggression needs to end, but we can’t defeat them on the battlefield without escalation, it isn’t possible. That doesn’t mean we cave in, but we do need to engage meaningfully.
If you think we can win on the battlefield, then how? . Woukdnt that require EU boots on the ground?
Shall you and I sign up? Would you fight for a Ukrainian victory on the battlefield? .., and if not, why do you think young men in their teens, should be thrown into vehicles and taken to the frontline to die?
Why are you happy to sit behind a keyboard and ask others to do what you won’t?
Is it because like Trump and Putin, you enjoy the factionalism more than you enjoy ending the sufference. More than you enjoy the actual consequences of a never ending conflict.
At best, it’s unkind, it lacks any human empathy. |
Seems you are not prepared to do what you would have nation states do and "engage meaningfully".
Another empty vessel it would appear. | |
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| Trump is truly transparent and pathetic on 19:31 - Apr 19 with 1248 views | Herbivore |
| Trump is truly transparent and pathetic on 16:18 - Apr 19 by darkhorse28 |
You don’t want to understand anything do you, you’re just in it for the tribe, the group ID, the validation, the factionalism.
That you share that with Trump and Putin would be lost on you.
It’s a hugely complex issue, not one that I’m even close to an expert on, I do try to understand the issues and not just the tribal crap, and need to hate, you should try it.
I’ve been to Estonia, spent time on the Russian border in Lithuania, and I have Ukrainian friends, and hosted a family for 3 months 2 years ago.
I listen, I talk to people, I try to understand other perspectives and views and to listen, and learn, and to challenge my own views .., and I still know, I know very little.
I was shocked in Estonia and Lithuania how much money we (EU) had spent, it was eye watering.., and this was maybe ten or more years ago.
I don’t have strong views on that, sovereign countries can do what they like, the locals loved it, but it was clearly a political choice to marginalise Russia ., we are talking infrastructure spending on a huge scale.
I voted Remain, I lived and studied in Portugal, in Porto, when Bobby was coach.., I always feel more European than anything, but I’m lucky I can live and work anywhere.
I was born in the poorest areas in the North, and if I’m honest, I can understand why they largely voted to leave the EU…, I don’t think anyone had an opportunity to vote for the ideological expansionism the EU have been motivated by (at times).., so I see the frustrations.
It’s also why the EU will never be able to negotiate a settlement with Russia.
They interfere in EU and UK politics, and we interfere in theirs.., there’s zero trust on either side, and with merit.
So it really is a negotiated settlement by the US, or settled on the battlefield.
And from a human perspective, I’d hope for a negotiated settlement, and quickly.
I don’t want the innocent people of either country to suffer.
Russian aggression needs to end, but we can’t defeat them on the battlefield without escalation, it isn’t possible. That doesn’t mean we cave in, but we do need to engage meaningfully.
If you think we can win on the battlefield, then how? . Woukdnt that require EU boots on the ground?
Shall you and I sign up? Would you fight for a Ukrainian victory on the battlefield? .., and if not, why do you think young men in their teens, should be thrown into vehicles and taken to the frontline to die?
Why are you happy to sit behind a keyboard and ask others to do what you won’t?
Is it because like Trump and Putin, you enjoy the factionalism more than you enjoy ending the sufference. More than you enjoy the actual consequences of a never ending conflict.
At best, it’s unkind, it lacks any human empathy. |
You have quite a lot to say about topics you know very little about (by your own admission in this instance). |  |
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| Trump is truly transparent and pathetic on 01:48 - Apr 20 with 1145 views | reusersfreekicks |
| Trump is truly transparent and pathetic on 16:18 - Apr 19 by darkhorse28 |
You don’t want to understand anything do you, you’re just in it for the tribe, the group ID, the validation, the factionalism.
That you share that with Trump and Putin would be lost on you.
It’s a hugely complex issue, not one that I’m even close to an expert on, I do try to understand the issues and not just the tribal crap, and need to hate, you should try it.
I’ve been to Estonia, spent time on the Russian border in Lithuania, and I have Ukrainian friends, and hosted a family for 3 months 2 years ago.
I listen, I talk to people, I try to understand other perspectives and views and to listen, and learn, and to challenge my own views .., and I still know, I know very little.
I was shocked in Estonia and Lithuania how much money we (EU) had spent, it was eye watering.., and this was maybe ten or more years ago.
I don’t have strong views on that, sovereign countries can do what they like, the locals loved it, but it was clearly a political choice to marginalise Russia ., we are talking infrastructure spending on a huge scale.
I voted Remain, I lived and studied in Portugal, in Porto, when Bobby was coach.., I always feel more European than anything, but I’m lucky I can live and work anywhere.
I was born in the poorest areas in the North, and if I’m honest, I can understand why they largely voted to leave the EU…, I don’t think anyone had an opportunity to vote for the ideological expansionism the EU have been motivated by (at times).., so I see the frustrations.
It’s also why the EU will never be able to negotiate a settlement with Russia.
They interfere in EU and UK politics, and we interfere in theirs.., there’s zero trust on either side, and with merit.
So it really is a negotiated settlement by the US, or settled on the battlefield.
And from a human perspective, I’d hope for a negotiated settlement, and quickly.
I don’t want the innocent people of either country to suffer.
Russian aggression needs to end, but we can’t defeat them on the battlefield without escalation, it isn’t possible. That doesn’t mean we cave in, but we do need to engage meaningfully.
If you think we can win on the battlefield, then how? . Woukdnt that require EU boots on the ground?
Shall you and I sign up? Would you fight for a Ukrainian victory on the battlefield? .., and if not, why do you think young men in their teens, should be thrown into vehicles and taken to the frontline to die?
Why are you happy to sit behind a keyboard and ask others to do what you won’t?
Is it because like Trump and Putin, you enjoy the factionalism more than you enjoy ending the sufference. More than you enjoy the actual consequences of a never ending conflict.
At best, it’s unkind, it lacks any human empathy. |
Streuth. What bollox |  | | |
| Trump is truly transparent and pathetic on 01:50 - Apr 20 with 1148 views | BlueBadger |
| Trump is truly transparent and pathetic on 16:18 - Apr 19 by darkhorse28 |
You don’t want to understand anything do you, you’re just in it for the tribe, the group ID, the validation, the factionalism.
That you share that with Trump and Putin would be lost on you.
It’s a hugely complex issue, not one that I’m even close to an expert on, I do try to understand the issues and not just the tribal crap, and need to hate, you should try it.
I’ve been to Estonia, spent time on the Russian border in Lithuania, and I have Ukrainian friends, and hosted a family for 3 months 2 years ago.
I listen, I talk to people, I try to understand other perspectives and views and to listen, and learn, and to challenge my own views .., and I still know, I know very little.
I was shocked in Estonia and Lithuania how much money we (EU) had spent, it was eye watering.., and this was maybe ten or more years ago.
I don’t have strong views on that, sovereign countries can do what they like, the locals loved it, but it was clearly a political choice to marginalise Russia ., we are talking infrastructure spending on a huge scale.
I voted Remain, I lived and studied in Portugal, in Porto, when Bobby was coach.., I always feel more European than anything, but I’m lucky I can live and work anywhere.
I was born in the poorest areas in the North, and if I’m honest, I can understand why they largely voted to leave the EU…, I don’t think anyone had an opportunity to vote for the ideological expansionism the EU have been motivated by (at times).., so I see the frustrations.
It’s also why the EU will never be able to negotiate a settlement with Russia.
They interfere in EU and UK politics, and we interfere in theirs.., there’s zero trust on either side, and with merit.
So it really is a negotiated settlement by the US, or settled on the battlefield.
And from a human perspective, I’d hope for a negotiated settlement, and quickly.
I don’t want the innocent people of either country to suffer.
Russian aggression needs to end, but we can’t defeat them on the battlefield without escalation, it isn’t possible. That doesn’t mean we cave in, but we do need to engage meaningfully.
If you think we can win on the battlefield, then how? . Woukdnt that require EU boots on the ground?
Shall you and I sign up? Would you fight for a Ukrainian victory on the battlefield? .., and if not, why do you think young men in their teens, should be thrown into vehicles and taken to the frontline to die?
Why are you happy to sit behind a keyboard and ask others to do what you won’t?
Is it because like Trump and Putin, you enjoy the factionalism more than you enjoy ending the sufference. More than you enjoy the actual consequences of a never ending conflict.
At best, it’s unkind, it lacks any human empathy. |
State of this. | |
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| Trump is truly transparent and pathetic on 08:17 - Apr 20 with 1042 views | Churchman |
| Trump is truly transparent and pathetic on 16:18 - Apr 19 by darkhorse28 |
You don’t want to understand anything do you, you’re just in it for the tribe, the group ID, the validation, the factionalism.
That you share that with Trump and Putin would be lost on you.
It’s a hugely complex issue, not one that I’m even close to an expert on, I do try to understand the issues and not just the tribal crap, and need to hate, you should try it.
I’ve been to Estonia, spent time on the Russian border in Lithuania, and I have Ukrainian friends, and hosted a family for 3 months 2 years ago.
I listen, I talk to people, I try to understand other perspectives and views and to listen, and learn, and to challenge my own views .., and I still know, I know very little.
I was shocked in Estonia and Lithuania how much money we (EU) had spent, it was eye watering.., and this was maybe ten or more years ago.
I don’t have strong views on that, sovereign countries can do what they like, the locals loved it, but it was clearly a political choice to marginalise Russia ., we are talking infrastructure spending on a huge scale.
I voted Remain, I lived and studied in Portugal, in Porto, when Bobby was coach.., I always feel more European than anything, but I’m lucky I can live and work anywhere.
I was born in the poorest areas in the North, and if I’m honest, I can understand why they largely voted to leave the EU…, I don’t think anyone had an opportunity to vote for the ideological expansionism the EU have been motivated by (at times).., so I see the frustrations.
It’s also why the EU will never be able to negotiate a settlement with Russia.
They interfere in EU and UK politics, and we interfere in theirs.., there’s zero trust on either side, and with merit.
So it really is a negotiated settlement by the US, or settled on the battlefield.
And from a human perspective, I’d hope for a negotiated settlement, and quickly.
I don’t want the innocent people of either country to suffer.
Russian aggression needs to end, but we can’t defeat them on the battlefield without escalation, it isn’t possible. That doesn’t mean we cave in, but we do need to engage meaningfully.
If you think we can win on the battlefield, then how? . Woukdnt that require EU boots on the ground?
Shall you and I sign up? Would you fight for a Ukrainian victory on the battlefield? .., and if not, why do you think young men in their teens, should be thrown into vehicles and taken to the frontline to die?
Why are you happy to sit behind a keyboard and ask others to do what you won’t?
Is it because like Trump and Putin, you enjoy the factionalism more than you enjoy ending the sufference. More than you enjoy the actual consequences of a never ending conflict.
At best, it’s unkind, it lacks any human empathy. |
Well, there’s a sort of attempt to justify how well travelled you are and how through hard work and intellect you’ve raised yourself from the ‘poorest areas in the north’ (Yarmouth?) and listen; talk to people.
But bar dishing up some mild abuse towards another poster that ramble makes no sense whatsoever. [Post edited 20 Apr 8:30]
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| Trump is truly transparent and pathetic on 11:02 - Apr 20 with 941 views | Eireannach_gorm |
| Trump is truly transparent and pathetic on 10:21 - Apr 19 by darkhorse28 |
Have you ever negotiated before, serious question. If you park the tribal, emotive politics you crave, of course they want peace.
You have to have two willing partners both prepared to compromise to achieve it.., this is part of the negotiation, but I don’t doubt they’d walk away.
What’s the alternative, the indulge the games of both parties for eternity, while innocent people die?
Who’d want to be party to that…, you’ve landed in a very strange place. Throwing exclusively young boys, in the back of vehicles to go to their version death…, fuelling a never ending war where almost ONE MILLION men have died. You’ve made BILLIONS for defence companies, and the media narrative has ignored entirely the men they have died and suffered. It’s almost like there a corporate objective.
The US already have sealed with the Ukraine in place, so there is no benefit to Russia victory, it’s a huge long term threat to the US…, just as aligning China and Russia was a huge threat, something your narrative of a never ending war had done brilliantly well.
Can I ask what experience you have of telling to Ukrainian and Russian people and what practical involvement you’ve had in the conflict?
Or are these strong views through the prism of a media bubble that makes billions from continued tightening, and the echo chamber of you bubble that isn’t grounded in anything real.
We none of us know for sure.., except you it seems.., you’re certain.., if only because you hate Trump.., how evil is that.
Millions dead. And even that is only a proxy for your politics. |
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| Trump is truly transparent and pathetic on 12:54 - Apr 20 with 859 views | darkhorse28 |
| Trump is truly transparent and pathetic on 15:06 - Apr 19 by BlueBadger |
Not so much AI as AS. |
I wouldn’t make hating Trump my whole personality. It looks small, needy, hating any politician or party for social status, is sad.
How could any individual or party have all the solutions, the more we engage across the spectrum, the more likely we are to solve long term problems.
Libralism used to be about tolerance, respect, engagement and above all kindness. You make it look like factionalism, group ID and your self esteem is all that’s important, and I don’t doubt to you, it is.
We’d probably agree on Trump, I’m sure he is a lot of the things you’d pejoratively describe him as, and probably a lot more.
But he will get some things right, as democrats get things wrong.
I liked Trumps approach to Quatar last term. He stopped them funding terrorism (directly) to the tune of billions of $ .., he was brutal in stopping their airline for almost a year. I think we all benefited in the west. I’d celebrate if he ended a war in Europe, and I’d support his captain chaos approach to bond yields, if I lived in the US and it saved billions $ when they re-finance the most debt they’ve ever had, later this year.
I wouldn’t vote for him either, can’t stand the guy, but he’s right about lots of things, mostly because we can measure some of them.
Remember when Nancy Pelosi said Covid wasn’t a thing, as she was buying Pfizer stock. I follow her portfolio, it’s 790% YOY.., Democrat stocks are superb. It’s either corruption, or they're so skilled Warren Buffet would blush. You decide.
Using USAID money, so UK politicians wives can run charities to help people in Afghanistan, also probably not a great look.., I think those woman might prefer lots of that money not to go to millionaire politicians. Ones trying to deal with their guilt and privalage, with a $170k salary they don’t need, directly from aid funds, that’s brutally unkind.
It fascinates me, you seem completely captive to your tribalism, and so easily lied to, because you’re reductive, and tribal, it’s just an emotion to you, you do politics like you do football.
I’ve never voted for conservatism, but I’ve fallen out of love with liberalism.
You (and me) allowed Neo liberals only interested in their own wealth and greed, to dominate the agenda and the media narrative.
It’s true of wars, pandemics, global trade, everything is a proxy for their greed and wealth, as a measure.
We’ve shipped all jobs to modern day slavery in Asia.., apparently treating ethnic Muslims like they aren’t human, or the whole of Asia like our sweatshop, is socially progressive.
And wars.., well the most liberal and kind thing to do, is to try and start conflicts, and keep them going as long as possible, to make as much money as possible.
It’s hilarious how billionaires have conflated them making bigger margins, more sales, with kind words.., that the people they broke emotionally, cling on to, for some scraps of social status.
It’s genius if we’re honest, and the buy and sell all politicians accordingly. In fact Trump and Elon probably do terrify them, hard to buy an egomaniac, and the richest man on the planet, no wonder they’re scared, less debt, fewer wars, less Asian slavery, it will cost them trillions.
Liberal politicians in the US openly inside trade the stock market, and apparently, they don’t want to make millions. They do it through gritted teeth.
At least they publish their stock pics, so we can measure the corruption, it’s always a committee they sit on, how lucky is that. Serendipity.
That’s the problem when you do reductive, tribal, binary politics, fuelled by your own need for group ID, and need to hate people you don’t know.
When your binary house is built on sand, it doesn’t work.
Go and travel, engage with people you disagree with, listen, learn, grown.
Or stay small, nasty, tribal, factional, insecure and easily lied to.
Politics needs context .., there’s never a one size fits all.., the US probably desperately needed Bernie, but he was destroyed by your media echo chamber, those billionaires would have been much poorer. That wouldn’t do.
After decades of socialism, Peronism, Argentina desperately needed a libertarian conservative.
It’s not my ideal political ideology, but I lived there two years ago and it was obvious the same style of politics, for too long, does lead to social decay, corruption, and economic oblivion.
Go and live in South America.., you’ll learn a lot about the reality of political ideals when they become dogma.
We’re all in it together buddy, might as well enjoy the ride. Celebrate the wins with Trump, and look beyond what the billionaires, losing lots of money with smaller debt repayments, and less slave Labour in Asia, tell you to think.
He is vile. But he’s not always wrong. And I’m sick and tired of seeing sociopaths in power, voted for by broken souls, who want kind words, without kind behaviours.
They’re sociopaths. I’d take an authentic bully and arsehole over a sociopath .., though I’d vote for neither.
Anyway. 2-0 today.., Leif first goal, he’s due. | | | |
| Trump is truly transparent and pathetic on 13:00 - Apr 20 with 855 views | darkhorse28 |
| Trump is truly transparent and pathetic on 14:47 - Apr 19 by You_Bloo_Right |
What does an "immediate" end of the war look like?
What are the views of Ukrainians on that particular end? |
It looks like having to engage with Russia, and compromise on both side, and a complete cluster feck, because it’s got this far.
I only know a handful, so it’s not definitive, they ideally want a full withdrawal and end, which they now accept isn’t ever happening.
No an agreement on borders, future elections, and Russia to pay for their crimes (financially).
Not unreasonable, but Russia will need at least a media win to sell, or why would they agree to end a war they are winning??
What do you think? Would you end on those terms if you were Putin.., like it or not, and nobody does, Putin is the key to ending the war, and Trump is possibly the only bridge between him and the west.., he’s doesn’t trust the EU.
It’s a horrible situation.
What fascinates me, is many of the people who refuse to engage with Russia at all, also thing we can only solve the Middle East by engaging with Hamas.., it’s interesting at least.
I’m sure you and I could probably fix the lot over a pie and pint, how hard can it be : ) | | | |
| Trump is truly transparent and pathetic on 13:40 - Apr 20 with 826 views | reusersfreekicks |
| Trump is truly transparent and pathetic on 12:54 - Apr 20 by darkhorse28 |
I wouldn’t make hating Trump my whole personality. It looks small, needy, hating any politician or party for social status, is sad.
How could any individual or party have all the solutions, the more we engage across the spectrum, the more likely we are to solve long term problems.
Libralism used to be about tolerance, respect, engagement and above all kindness. You make it look like factionalism, group ID and your self esteem is all that’s important, and I don’t doubt to you, it is.
We’d probably agree on Trump, I’m sure he is a lot of the things you’d pejoratively describe him as, and probably a lot more.
But he will get some things right, as democrats get things wrong.
I liked Trumps approach to Quatar last term. He stopped them funding terrorism (directly) to the tune of billions of $ .., he was brutal in stopping their airline for almost a year. I think we all benefited in the west. I’d celebrate if he ended a war in Europe, and I’d support his captain chaos approach to bond yields, if I lived in the US and it saved billions $ when they re-finance the most debt they’ve ever had, later this year.
I wouldn’t vote for him either, can’t stand the guy, but he’s right about lots of things, mostly because we can measure some of them.
Remember when Nancy Pelosi said Covid wasn’t a thing, as she was buying Pfizer stock. I follow her portfolio, it’s 790% YOY.., Democrat stocks are superb. It’s either corruption, or they're so skilled Warren Buffet would blush. You decide.
Using USAID money, so UK politicians wives can run charities to help people in Afghanistan, also probably not a great look.., I think those woman might prefer lots of that money not to go to millionaire politicians. Ones trying to deal with their guilt and privalage, with a $170k salary they don’t need, directly from aid funds, that’s brutally unkind.
It fascinates me, you seem completely captive to your tribalism, and so easily lied to, because you’re reductive, and tribal, it’s just an emotion to you, you do politics like you do football.
I’ve never voted for conservatism, but I’ve fallen out of love with liberalism.
You (and me) allowed Neo liberals only interested in their own wealth and greed, to dominate the agenda and the media narrative.
It’s true of wars, pandemics, global trade, everything is a proxy for their greed and wealth, as a measure.
We’ve shipped all jobs to modern day slavery in Asia.., apparently treating ethnic Muslims like they aren’t human, or the whole of Asia like our sweatshop, is socially progressive.
And wars.., well the most liberal and kind thing to do, is to try and start conflicts, and keep them going as long as possible, to make as much money as possible.
It’s hilarious how billionaires have conflated them making bigger margins, more sales, with kind words.., that the people they broke emotionally, cling on to, for some scraps of social status.
It’s genius if we’re honest, and the buy and sell all politicians accordingly. In fact Trump and Elon probably do terrify them, hard to buy an egomaniac, and the richest man on the planet, no wonder they’re scared, less debt, fewer wars, less Asian slavery, it will cost them trillions.
Liberal politicians in the US openly inside trade the stock market, and apparently, they don’t want to make millions. They do it through gritted teeth.
At least they publish their stock pics, so we can measure the corruption, it’s always a committee they sit on, how lucky is that. Serendipity.
That’s the problem when you do reductive, tribal, binary politics, fuelled by your own need for group ID, and need to hate people you don’t know.
When your binary house is built on sand, it doesn’t work.
Go and travel, engage with people you disagree with, listen, learn, grown.
Or stay small, nasty, tribal, factional, insecure and easily lied to.
Politics needs context .., there’s never a one size fits all.., the US probably desperately needed Bernie, but he was destroyed by your media echo chamber, those billionaires would have been much poorer. That wouldn’t do.
After decades of socialism, Peronism, Argentina desperately needed a libertarian conservative.
It’s not my ideal political ideology, but I lived there two years ago and it was obvious the same style of politics, for too long, does lead to social decay, corruption, and economic oblivion.
Go and live in South America.., you’ll learn a lot about the reality of political ideals when they become dogma.
We’re all in it together buddy, might as well enjoy the ride. Celebrate the wins with Trump, and look beyond what the billionaires, losing lots of money with smaller debt repayments, and less slave Labour in Asia, tell you to think.
He is vile. But he’s not always wrong. And I’m sick and tired of seeing sociopaths in power, voted for by broken souls, who want kind words, without kind behaviours.
They’re sociopaths. I’d take an authentic bully and arsehole over a sociopath .., though I’d vote for neither.
Anyway. 2-0 today.., Leif first goal, he’s due. |
Do you share an ip address with Europablue? | | | |
| Trump is truly transparent and pathetic on 13:49 - Apr 20 with 814 views | pointofblue |
To try and put the long rambles succinctly - how does anyone put enough pressure on Russia to end the war with favourable terms for Ukraine without causing World War III? | |
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| Trump is truly transparent and pathetic on 14:20 - Apr 20 with 792 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Trump is truly transparent and pathetic on 12:54 - Apr 20 by darkhorse28 |
I wouldn’t make hating Trump my whole personality. It looks small, needy, hating any politician or party for social status, is sad.
How could any individual or party have all the solutions, the more we engage across the spectrum, the more likely we are to solve long term problems.
Libralism used to be about tolerance, respect, engagement and above all kindness. You make it look like factionalism, group ID and your self esteem is all that’s important, and I don’t doubt to you, it is.
We’d probably agree on Trump, I’m sure he is a lot of the things you’d pejoratively describe him as, and probably a lot more.
But he will get some things right, as democrats get things wrong.
I liked Trumps approach to Quatar last term. He stopped them funding terrorism (directly) to the tune of billions of $ .., he was brutal in stopping their airline for almost a year. I think we all benefited in the west. I’d celebrate if he ended a war in Europe, and I’d support his captain chaos approach to bond yields, if I lived in the US and it saved billions $ when they re-finance the most debt they’ve ever had, later this year.
I wouldn’t vote for him either, can’t stand the guy, but he’s right about lots of things, mostly because we can measure some of them.
Remember when Nancy Pelosi said Covid wasn’t a thing, as she was buying Pfizer stock. I follow her portfolio, it’s 790% YOY.., Democrat stocks are superb. It’s either corruption, or they're so skilled Warren Buffet would blush. You decide.
Using USAID money, so UK politicians wives can run charities to help people in Afghanistan, also probably not a great look.., I think those woman might prefer lots of that money not to go to millionaire politicians. Ones trying to deal with their guilt and privalage, with a $170k salary they don’t need, directly from aid funds, that’s brutally unkind.
It fascinates me, you seem completely captive to your tribalism, and so easily lied to, because you’re reductive, and tribal, it’s just an emotion to you, you do politics like you do football.
I’ve never voted for conservatism, but I’ve fallen out of love with liberalism.
You (and me) allowed Neo liberals only interested in their own wealth and greed, to dominate the agenda and the media narrative.
It’s true of wars, pandemics, global trade, everything is a proxy for their greed and wealth, as a measure.
We’ve shipped all jobs to modern day slavery in Asia.., apparently treating ethnic Muslims like they aren’t human, or the whole of Asia like our sweatshop, is socially progressive.
And wars.., well the most liberal and kind thing to do, is to try and start conflicts, and keep them going as long as possible, to make as much money as possible.
It’s hilarious how billionaires have conflated them making bigger margins, more sales, with kind words.., that the people they broke emotionally, cling on to, for some scraps of social status.
It’s genius if we’re honest, and the buy and sell all politicians accordingly. In fact Trump and Elon probably do terrify them, hard to buy an egomaniac, and the richest man on the planet, no wonder they’re scared, less debt, fewer wars, less Asian slavery, it will cost them trillions.
Liberal politicians in the US openly inside trade the stock market, and apparently, they don’t want to make millions. They do it through gritted teeth.
At least they publish their stock pics, so we can measure the corruption, it’s always a committee they sit on, how lucky is that. Serendipity.
That’s the problem when you do reductive, tribal, binary politics, fuelled by your own need for group ID, and need to hate people you don’t know.
When your binary house is built on sand, it doesn’t work.
Go and travel, engage with people you disagree with, listen, learn, grown.
Or stay small, nasty, tribal, factional, insecure and easily lied to.
Politics needs context .., there’s never a one size fits all.., the US probably desperately needed Bernie, but he was destroyed by your media echo chamber, those billionaires would have been much poorer. That wouldn’t do.
After decades of socialism, Peronism, Argentina desperately needed a libertarian conservative.
It’s not my ideal political ideology, but I lived there two years ago and it was obvious the same style of politics, for too long, does lead to social decay, corruption, and economic oblivion.
Go and live in South America.., you’ll learn a lot about the reality of political ideals when they become dogma.
We’re all in it together buddy, might as well enjoy the ride. Celebrate the wins with Trump, and look beyond what the billionaires, losing lots of money with smaller debt repayments, and less slave Labour in Asia, tell you to think.
He is vile. But he’s not always wrong. And I’m sick and tired of seeing sociopaths in power, voted for by broken souls, who want kind words, without kind behaviours.
They’re sociopaths. I’d take an authentic bully and arsehole over a sociopath .., though I’d vote for neither.
Anyway. 2-0 today.., Leif first goal, he’s due. |
How can you write so much without actually saying anything clear about the subject in question? | | | |
| Trump is truly transparent and pathetic on 14:21 - Apr 20 with 791 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Trump is truly transparent and pathetic on 13:49 - Apr 20 by pointofblue |
To try and put the long rambles succinctly - how does anyone put enough pressure on Russia to end the war with favourable terms for Ukraine without causing World War III? |
Sanctions, the carrot of US trade, the threat of full US support.
But Trump took all of that off the table before starting any discussions. | | | |
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