| Watching Arsenal Palace 21:54 - Apr 23 with 3132 views | bsw72 |
And thinking to myself back in Autumn/Winter when we were talking about how it was about finishing above the likes of Palace etc who were our targets to better. Seems a long time ago and quite naive now to me. How did so many of us misjudge how good most PL teams are? [Post edited 23 Apr 21:55]
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| Watching Arsenal Palace on 21:59 - Apr 23 with 2710 views | cressi |
Shows just how poor we are not even competitive Sunday. The Ben Johnson comments on here the other week made me cringe. If we get another opportunity we definitely need to be better with our recruitment. |  | | |
| Watching Arsenal Palace on 21:59 - Apr 23 with 2691 views | DropCliffsNotBombs |
I thought Forest were going down, so can file me under clueless. |  | | |
| Watching Arsenal Palace on 22:02 - Apr 23 with 2678 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
I still maintain that injuries has been our undoing. We have missed so many important players for so many matches and that has prevented us developing consistent partnerships all over the pitch.
I am sure there are other factors some of which might have been handled better and 4 sendings off (3 of them in close games) have cost us too.
The most important things is that lessons have been learned by those with the power to make the difference next time around. |  |
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| Watching Arsenal Palace on 22:07 - Apr 23 with 2633 views | bsw72 |
| Watching Arsenal Palace on 22:02 - Apr 23 by Nthsuffolkblue |
I still maintain that injuries has been our undoing. We have missed so many important players for so many matches and that has prevented us developing consistent partnerships all over the pitch.
I am sure there are other factors some of which might have been handled better and 4 sendings off (3 of them in close games) have cost us too.
The most important things is that lessons have been learned by those with the power to make the difference next time around. |
I don’t disagree but I’m still amazed at the sheer physical athleticism and footballing ability and squad depth of the other teams. | | | |
| Watching Arsenal Palace on 22:10 - Apr 23 with 2590 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Watching Arsenal Palace on 22:07 - Apr 23 by bsw72 |
I don’t disagree but I’m still amazed at the sheer physical athleticism and footballing ability and squad depth of the other teams. |
It has also struck me the lack of that depth from Man City and Spurs. | |
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| Watching Arsenal Palace on 22:12 - Apr 23 with 2569 views | Illinoisblue |
| Watching Arsenal Palace on 22:02 - Apr 23 by Nthsuffolkblue |
I still maintain that injuries has been our undoing. We have missed so many important players for so many matches and that has prevented us developing consistent partnerships all over the pitch.
I am sure there are other factors some of which might have been handled better and 4 sendings off (3 of them in close games) have cost us too.
The most important things is that lessons have been learned by those with the power to make the difference next time around. |
Injuries have been massive but even if we’d had none, and every player was 8/10 every game, I think we’d still be going down. The athleticism and physical power is something our squad just doesn’t have right now. (Insert something here about being in League 1 just two years ago). |  |
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| Watching Arsenal Palace on 22:12 - Apr 23 with 2566 views | DavoIPB |
We basically played league 1 and mid championship players against premier league players for most of the season. | | | |
| Watching Arsenal Palace on 22:25 - Apr 23 with 2471 views | MattinLondon |
Being out of the PL for so long simply distorted most of our perception of how much better it is compared to the Championship. We all thought that it would be a step up but I think I was looking at the ‘gap’ through eyes of when we were last there rather than the present. And unfortunately, all of the established teams have improved immensely.
Back then most teams had a stand out player just like how we now have Liam Delap. But now, they all seem to have three or four stand out players whereas we don’t.
I will say that I’ve seen a fair few posts stating that the PL is all but a closed shop or that the teams which have stayed up are decades in front of us. To me, that’s rubbish. You only have to look at Spurs and Man Utd to conclude that all teams are two poor transfer windows away from struggling.
Factor in injuries and poor decision making on our part and we could well have had more points - but I’m guessing other teams will say the same. Regardless the jump up is extremely difficult but not impossible. Think I’m confident that we’ll do a lot better after next seasons promotion. |  | | |
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| Watching Arsenal Palace on 22:26 - Apr 23 with 2462 views | MattinLondon |
| Watching Arsenal Palace on 22:12 - Apr 23 by DavoIPB |
We basically played league 1 and mid championship players against premier league players for most of the season. |
The fact that those players gained promotion over a course of a 46 match season proves that they are top championship players (at least). | | | |
| Watching Arsenal Palace on 22:29 - Apr 23 with 2448 views | Churchman |
I got it totally wrong. Hands up on that.
We need to learn from where we came up short and make sure if there’s a next time we approach it stronger.
You learn a lot more from tough times than when things are going swimmingly. It’s always what you do next. [Post edited 23 Apr 22:32]
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| Watching Arsenal Palace on 22:37 - Apr 23 with 2382 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Watching Arsenal Palace on 22:12 - Apr 23 by DavoIPB |
We basically played league 1 and mid championship players against premier league players for most of the season. |
Last season our top appearances (subs in brackets) were (in a 46 match season):
Hladky 46
Davis 43
Chaplin 42(2)
Morsy 42
Woolfenden 40(1)
Burgess 38(1)
Luongo 37(6)
Burns 31(4)
Broadhead 29(9)
H Clarke 25(10)
Hutchinson 20(24)
That's 11 players appearing in at least 35/46 matches.
Compare that to this season (out of 33 matches so far):
Davis 27
Delap 26(1)
Hutchinson 25(1)
O'Shea 25
Morsy 22(2)
Cajuste 18(3)
J Clarke 8(14)
Taylor 1(19)
No one else has appeared in 20+ matches out of 33. That's 8 players. Some of this is due to form as well as injury but we have not had a consistent team at all. That's a recipe for underachievement.
Imagine if Phillips and Cajuste had both made 28+ appearances and built a formidable partnership. Imagine if Burns and Chaplin had done the same (we know they can link up already). Imagine Muric had been ever-present and made fewer errors than Hladky did last season. Of course, you could argue that the problem is that Phillips, Cajuste and Muric were the wrong players to bring in. But I would argue that Ogbene, Szmodics and Enciso staying fit would have made a big difference. | |
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| Watching Arsenal Palace on 22:40 - Apr 23 with 2359 views | algy |
What crossed my mind was whether Palace would be doing better or worse if McKenna had taken their job last February. We'll never know. | |
| I was there when McKenna's ITFC won in the Premier League at Home. |
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| Watching Arsenal Palace on 22:48 - Apr 23 with 2294 views | waveneyblue |
| Watching Arsenal Palace on 22:12 - Apr 23 by DavoIPB |
We basically played league 1 and mid championship players against premier league players for most of the season. |
That statement is boll0cks on so many levels. |  | | |
| Watching Arsenal Palace on 04:43 - Apr 24 with 1937 views | Benters |
I aimed for 17th in the league who’d have thunk it would have been so hard ?
Where as my West Ham season ticket holder customer is devastated to be in 17th place.
Funny old game innit. |  |
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| Watching Arsenal Palace on 06:50 - Apr 24 with 1691 views | BLUEGOLD |
| Watching Arsenal Palace on 22:37 - Apr 23 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Last season our top appearances (subs in brackets) were (in a 46 match season):
Hladky 46
Davis 43
Chaplin 42(2)
Morsy 42
Woolfenden 40(1)
Burgess 38(1)
Luongo 37(6)
Burns 31(4)
Broadhead 29(9)
H Clarke 25(10)
Hutchinson 20(24)
That's 11 players appearing in at least 35/46 matches.
Compare that to this season (out of 33 matches so far):
Davis 27
Delap 26(1)
Hutchinson 25(1)
O'Shea 25
Morsy 22(2)
Cajuste 18(3)
J Clarke 8(14)
Taylor 1(19)
No one else has appeared in 20+ matches out of 33. That's 8 players. Some of this is due to form as well as injury but we have not had a consistent team at all. That's a recipe for underachievement.
Imagine if Phillips and Cajuste had both made 28+ appearances and built a formidable partnership. Imagine if Burns and Chaplin had done the same (we know they can link up already). Imagine Muric had been ever-present and made fewer errors than Hladky did last season. Of course, you could argue that the problem is that Phillips, Cajuste and Muric were the wrong players to bring in. But I would argue that Ogbene, Szmodics and Enciso staying fit would have made a big difference. |
Thinking back over the season and the points we should have had still leaves us in the bottom 3 I believe
Leicester 2 points ref decision, no penalty and red card
Fulham 2 points, the width of a post Jack Clarke shot, leaving Leif out of position
Man Utd 2 points, probably the only world class saves Onana made all season
The red card at Brentford probably cost us a point and we should have got at least a point from Bournemouth & Saints at home too.
Pedro from Brighton should have been sent off at 0-0 and who knows what would have happened then, but you’d hope to get at least a point from that game.
Man Utd away was one that really got away from us, as we created nothing in the 2nd half from a game we should have won playing 10 men.
That’s around 10/12 points left behind and that would have us in the mix with 5 left to play, but probably still falling short.
My main worry is that we don’t really look like winning games at the moment which will take some changing for next season | | | |
| Watching Arsenal Palace on 09:42 - Apr 24 with 1323 views | norfsufblue |
Standards for players are just rising year on year.... ?
Emi Buendia left our rivals as probably their best player for £33m after their last attempt to stay up.... hes been loaned out after signing a new contract as hes been overtaken by others in their squad.... hes probably not quite good enough now!.... we have to be looking for our " Premier League ready" players now and the scouting network is the only way to do it.... maybe that should be the priority even sbove the training facilities? |  | | |
| Watching Arsenal Palace on 09:50 - Apr 24 with 1300 views | soupytwist |
It was the Palace game at home that made me realise we really were in trouble.
Nothing spectacular as a Premier League side, but way above the level we were at.
Just one of those things when you've been away from the top flight for 22 years and gone straight through the Championship from League 1. |  | | |
| Watching Arsenal Palace on 09:53 - Apr 24 with 1283 views | BtreeBlueBlood |
| Watching Arsenal Palace on 22:07 - Apr 23 by bsw72 |
I don’t disagree but I’m still amazed at the sheer physical athleticism and footballing ability and squad depth of the other teams. |
Some games I’m looking at our team as opposition and it looks like it’s under 15’s playing against the men’s !
We definitely have missed pace than our right side with burns n ogbene |  | | |
| Watching Arsenal Palace on 09:57 - Apr 24 with 1256 views | BiGDonnie |
| Watching Arsenal Palace on 21:59 - Apr 23 by DropCliffsNotBombs |
I thought Forest were going down, so can file me under clueless. |
HA! I was certain we'd push for a European spot ffs. |  |
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| Watching Arsenal Palace on 09:59 - Apr 24 with 1255 views | glasso |
| Watching Arsenal Palace on 22:25 - Apr 23 by MattinLondon |
Being out of the PL for so long simply distorted most of our perception of how much better it is compared to the Championship. We all thought that it would be a step up but I think I was looking at the ‘gap’ through eyes of when we were last there rather than the present. And unfortunately, all of the established teams have improved immensely.
Back then most teams had a stand out player just like how we now have Liam Delap. But now, they all seem to have three or four stand out players whereas we don’t.
I will say that I’ve seen a fair few posts stating that the PL is all but a closed shop or that the teams which have stayed up are decades in front of us. To me, that’s rubbish. You only have to look at Spurs and Man Utd to conclude that all teams are two poor transfer windows away from struggling.
Factor in injuries and poor decision making on our part and we could well have had more points - but I’m guessing other teams will say the same. Regardless the jump up is extremely difficult but not impossible. Think I’m confident that we’ll do a lot better after next seasons promotion. |
To be fair, though, United and Spurs have both had multiple bad transfer windows and have arguably been getting worse year-on-year for quite some time, and neither even flirted with relegation. It was never even a consideration for them. | | | |
| Watching Arsenal Palace on 10:29 - Apr 24 with 1190 views | IPSWICHFANITFC |
| Watching Arsenal Palace on 21:59 - Apr 23 by DropCliffsNotBombs |
I thought Forest were going down, so can file me under clueless. |
I don't think you were the only one. I saw Gary Neville's and Jamie's Carragher's predictions from the start of the season from the first MNF or FNF and I'm sure Jamie had Forest in the bottom 3 (and Ipswich weren't in his bottom 3 prediction either). |  |
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| Watching Arsenal Palace on 11:25 - Apr 24 with 1089 views | MattinLondon |
| Watching Arsenal Palace on 09:59 - Apr 24 by glasso |
To be fair, though, United and Spurs have both had multiple bad transfer windows and have arguably been getting worse year-on-year for quite some time, and neither even flirted with relegation. It was never even a consideration for them. |
That’s a good point but they are no where near where they think or feel that they should be.
If a Fulham, Palace or even Brighton have similar bad transfer windows then they would really struggle. | | | |
| Watching Arsenal Palace on 11:43 - Apr 24 with 1035 views | ArnieM |
All the talk about the Plastic League being so athletic and physical and were not able to compete makes me smile. Ipswich Town have never a side that has copious amounts of physicality about it. We were often out muscled in the Championship and League One. We're largely powder power in any challenges. Our players either don't know how to tackle effectively or we just recruit really lightweight players. I can vividly recal the derby games v scum where our players were just woeful in any challenge. It's been like it at this club gor years in my view, do it's not just the PL. |  |
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| Watching Arsenal Palace on 12:14 - Apr 24 with 961 views | ReusersTown |
| Watching Arsenal Palace on 09:42 - Apr 24 by norfsufblue |
Standards for players are just rising year on year.... ?
Emi Buendia left our rivals as probably their best player for £33m after their last attempt to stay up.... hes been loaned out after signing a new contract as hes been overtaken by others in their squad.... hes probably not quite good enough now!.... we have to be looking for our " Premier League ready" players now and the scouting network is the only way to do it.... maybe that should be the priority even sbove the training facilities? |
Tbf not an accurate representation. He's not good enough for Villa as they've developed into a Champions League challenging team. | | | |
| Watching Arsenal Palace on 12:18 - Apr 24 with 948 views | ReusersTown |
| Watching Arsenal Palace on 09:50 - Apr 24 by soupytwist |
It was the Palace game at home that made me realise we really were in trouble.
Nothing spectacular as a Premier League side, but way above the level we were at.
Just one of those things when you've been away from the top flight for 22 years and gone straight through the Championship from League 1. |
In terms of footballing ability they weren't way above. What they are is survival specialists filled with athletes playing a lower risk football. | | | |
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