| Worst refs in the Premier League 07:19 - Apr 27 with 3510 views | sohamblue74 |
It's a lengthy list. Who am I missing?
Robinson (ref Leicester)
Salisbury (ref Newcastle)
Oliver - consistently terrible
Attwell - consistently terrible
Harrington (ref Brighton)
Jones (ref Aston Villa).
With honourable mentions for
Clive Thomas (ref West Ham, FA cup)
Keith Hackett (ref Norwich, Milk cup). |  | | |  |
| Worst refs in the Premier League on 17:04 - Apr 27 with 672 views | Herbivore |
| Worst refs in the Premier League on 16:51 - Apr 27 by Trequartista |
I'm sure if it was an Ipswich player instead of Bruno Guimares it would have been mentioned! [Post edited 27 Apr 16:51]
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Not sure about that, those are always given. |  |
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| Worst refs in the Premier League on 17:06 - Apr 27 with 668 views | Herbivore |
| Worst refs in the Premier League on 16:48 - Apr 27 by PhilTWTD |
The other thing with the Chaplin one was that the referee on the field had his view of the incident obstructed, so couldn't possibly have had a clear idea of what happened. It was exactly the sort of situation that VAR ought to be there to make sure was got right. |
Indeed, although apparently the ref told VAR he had a clear view and didn't see it as a foul. If that was the case, he should have been disciplined as you can see clearly from the replay that he didn't have a clear view and it was a clear and obvious error from him as a result.
I don't think we'd have done enough to stay up regardless as we're so far behind and it'll take 40 points, but if a couple of decisions had gone our way in that first half of the season and we'd got a few more points on the board we might have made a better fist of it. | |
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| Worst refs in the Premier League on 17:10 - Apr 27 with 666 views | Trequartista |
| Worst refs in the Premier League on 17:04 - Apr 27 by Herbivore |
Not sure about that, those are always given. |
I did already say that, but this one was not a stereotypical jump with the keeper, in fact Bruno G doesn't even jump, he just stands his ground and Walton bumps into him. It even went to VAR, so a chance to give a goal if there was "corruption". |  |
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| Worst refs in the Premier League on 17:13 - Apr 27 with 658 views | Herbivore |
| Worst refs in the Premier League on 17:10 - Apr 27 by Trequartista |
I did already say that, but this one was not a stereotypical jump with the keeper, in fact Bruno G doesn't even jump, he just stands his ground and Walton bumps into him. It even went to VAR, so a chance to give a goal if there was "corruption". |
I don't buy that there's corruption. I do think there's big club bias but I don't think it's actual corruption. Backing in and/or making a back is usually given for a foul, even when it's two outfield players. If VAR had overturned it and given the goal, then maybe I would have started to think it was actual corruption. | |
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| Worst refs in the Premier League on 17:18 - Apr 27 with 647 views | Trequartista |
| Worst refs in the Premier League on 17:13 - Apr 27 by Herbivore |
I don't buy that there's corruption. I do think there's big club bias but I don't think it's actual corruption. Backing in and/or making a back is usually given for a foul, even when it's two outfield players. If VAR had overturned it and given the goal, then maybe I would have started to think it was actual corruption. |
I don't really know why you're arguing with me (again) when we both don't believe there is corruption but never mind. | |
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| Worst refs in the Premier League on 17:21 - Apr 27 with 627 views | Vaughan8 |
Whoever the one in the Bournemouth Mam utd game today was shocking. | | | |
| Worst refs in the Premier League on 18:53 - Apr 27 with 572 views | TheBoyBlue |
I try to avoid piling in on refs as they have a tough job and we need them or else there's no game.
However, I don't think I will ever fathom how Robinson didn't give that penalty against Leicester and even more that VAR didn't get him to check it. | |
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| Worst refs in the Premier League on 10:23 - Apr 28 with 463 views | Garv |
| Worst refs in the Premier League on 13:59 - Apr 27 by redrickstuhaart |
Its a silly view. It is a contact sport, but that does not mean you have to stand up to being quite literally wiped out, at almost waist level, by a player with no interest in the ball. |
If someone could define 'wiped out' I'd appreciate it. Chaplin has two feet off the ground at the point of impact, which was never going to help him stay upright.
When a defender shields the ball out for a goal kick and follows the striker trying to get around him wherever he goes, is he interested in the ball? Being interested in the ball isn't always relevant, rightly or wrongly.
As mentioned, all I'm saying is there's an element of doubt. There's obviously some sort of reason it wasn't given, live or by VAR, so it kind of backs up my point. Unless we start talking about corruption again... |  |
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| Worst refs in the Premier League on 10:47 - Apr 28 with 452 views | Herbivore |
| Worst refs in the Premier League on 10:23 - Apr 28 by Garv |
If someone could define 'wiped out' I'd appreciate it. Chaplin has two feet off the ground at the point of impact, which was never going to help him stay upright.
When a defender shields the ball out for a goal kick and follows the striker trying to get around him wherever he goes, is he interested in the ball? Being interested in the ball isn't always relevant, rightly or wrongly.
As mentioned, all I'm saying is there's an element of doubt. There's obviously some sort of reason it wasn't given, live or by VAR, so it kind of backs up my point. Unless we start talking about corruption again... |
His feet are off the ground because if his feet are planted and he takes that contact from Daka there's a very good chance he gets hurt. He's bracing himself for getting clattered into by someone who is probably 12 or 13 stone of muscle. Can you explain on what basis you think it might not be a foul because I'm really struggling with how someone can watch that and say there's an element of doubt about whether it's a foul? He steams into him, it's not shoulder to shoulder, he is nowhere near the ball which Chaplin has just brought under control. What aspect of it creates doubt for you about whether it's a foul? | |
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| Worst refs in the Premier League on 10:50 - Apr 28 with 447 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| Worst refs in the Premier League on 10:23 - Apr 28 by Garv |
If someone could define 'wiped out' I'd appreciate it. Chaplin has two feet off the ground at the point of impact, which was never going to help him stay upright.
When a defender shields the ball out for a goal kick and follows the striker trying to get around him wherever he goes, is he interested in the ball? Being interested in the ball isn't always relevant, rightly or wrongly.
As mentioned, all I'm saying is there's an element of doubt. There's obviously some sort of reason it wasn't given, live or by VAR, so it kind of backs up my point. Unless we start talking about corruption again... |
The reason it wasn't given was ineptitude.
Chaplin has the ball at his feet he shifted it to his stronger side, one would assume to get a shot off and the Leicester player has flew in completely out of control and essentially shoved him to the ground. There was no effort to even win the ball, he simply just runs in to Chaplin in the box when the ball is in his control. It is as blatant a foul and penalty you will see all season. Was a staggering decision. |  |
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| Worst refs in the Premier League on 11:01 - Apr 28 with 431 views | wischip |
Would it be easier and quicker to list the good refs ?
Of course you don't remember them as well because they did the job properly.
But we must have had a couple this year who were fair ? |  | | |
| Worst refs in the Premier League on 11:05 - Apr 28 with 430 views | Garv |
| Worst refs in the Premier League on 10:47 - Apr 28 by Herbivore |
His feet are off the ground because if his feet are planted and he takes that contact from Daka there's a very good chance he gets hurt. He's bracing himself for getting clattered into by someone who is probably 12 or 13 stone of muscle. Can you explain on what basis you think it might not be a foul because I'm really struggling with how someone can watch that and say there's an element of doubt about whether it's a foul? He steams into him, it's not shoulder to shoulder, he is nowhere near the ball which Chaplin has just brought under control. What aspect of it creates doubt for you about whether it's a foul? |
You're probably right about the planted feet and bracing for impact in fairness.
But in answer to the question it's more or less what I've already said. To put it plainly and frankly Chaplin goes down like a sack of spuds. I don't think he steams into him, he rushes out but I wouldn't say he's going at full pelt. Just don't think he's strong enough, which unfortunately has been a theme for him when he's played this season. This is turning into a post slagging off Conor Chaplin which is not intended at all, but physically he has struggled this season. There was even one or two moments on Saturday after he came on, which won't have been on any highlights, where he's closing down the likes of Burn/Trippier and trying to compete physically and he just bounces off them and actually tries to claim a foul. [Post edited 28 Apr 14:02]
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| Worst refs in the Premier League on 11:10 - Apr 28 with 427 views | Herbivore |
| Worst refs in the Premier League on 11:05 - Apr 28 by Garv |
You're probably right about the planted feet and bracing for impact in fairness.
But in answer to the question it's more or less what I've already said. To put it plainly and frankly Chaplin goes down like a sack of spuds. I don't think he steams into him, he rushes out but I wouldn't say he's going at full pelt. Just don't think he's strong enough, which unfortunately has been a theme for him when he's played this season. This is turning into a post slagging off Conor Chaplin which is not intended at all, but physically he has struggled this season. There was even one or two moments on Saturday after he came on, which won't have been on any highlights, where he's closing down the likes of Burn/Trippier and trying to compete physically and he just bounces off them and actually tries to claim a foul. [Post edited 28 Apr 14:02]
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I think you need to watch it back. If your takeaway from that incident is that Chaplin needs to be stronger and not that it's clearly a foul then I think we've been looking at different incidents. | |
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| Worst refs in the Premier League on 14:09 - Apr 28 with 373 views | Garv |
| Worst refs in the Premier League on 11:10 - Apr 28 by Herbivore |
I think you need to watch it back. If your takeaway from that incident is that Chaplin needs to be stronger and not that it's clearly a foul then I think we've been looking at different incidents. |
Well you can think that but like almost everything it's subjective. If you were to try and claim it's not a subjective decision then you don't have a leg to stand on.
There's an element of doubt as there clearly was live and by the folk in the VAR room. Not everything is black and white. | |
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| Worst refs in the Premier League on 14:33 - Apr 28 with 350 views | Trequartista |
| Worst refs in the Premier League on 17:04 - Apr 27 by Herbivore |
Not sure about that, those are always given. |
Still maintaining we would have no complaints had the roles been reversed now that a former referee has gone against another referee for on “Ref Watch” and said the goal should have stood? | |
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| Worst refs in the Premier League on 14:36 - Apr 28 with 346 views | Herbivore |
| Worst refs in the Premier League on 14:33 - Apr 28 by Trequartista |
Still maintaining we would have no complaints had the roles been reversed now that a former referee has gone against another referee for on “Ref Watch” and said the goal should have stood? |
Yes. | |
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| Worst refs in the Premier League on 14:38 - Apr 28 with 345 views | Herbivore |
| Worst refs in the Premier League on 14:09 - Apr 28 by Garv |
Well you can think that but like almost everything it's subjective. If you were to try and claim it's not a subjective decision then you don't have a leg to stand on.
There's an element of doubt as there clearly was live and by the folk in the VAR room. Not everything is black and white. |
I don't think using VAR not intervening is quite the defence you think it is. I genuinely don't understand how you can watch that and think there's doubt about whether it's a foul. | |
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| Worst refs in the Premier League on 14:50 - Apr 28 with 334 views | Trequartista |
| Worst refs in the Premier League on 14:36 - Apr 28 by Herbivore |
Yes. |
Seriously? I don’t mean you personally as I can see you think it’s a clear foul, I mean those claiming corruption (for that is where your original attack on me started). You think an Ipswich fan who is claiming corruption having witnessed the other incidents in the game would then see the Guimares incident but with roles reversed (Delap on Pope) and say no that’s fine it’s a free kick to Newcastle all day long. [Post edited 28 Apr 14:51]
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| Worst refs in the Premier League on 14:52 - Apr 28 with 333 views | PhilTWTD |
| Worst refs in the Premier League on 17:10 - Apr 27 by Trequartista |
I did already say that, but this one was not a stereotypical jump with the keeper, in fact Bruno G doesn't even jump, he just stands his ground and Walton bumps into him. It even went to VAR, so a chance to give a goal if there was "corruption". |
Bruno G deliberately knocks into Palmer, he even had a fairly obvious look first. Clearly knew what he was doing and was never going to get counted. |  | | |
| Worst refs in the Premier League on 15:08 - Apr 28 with 301 views | Herbivore |
| Worst refs in the Premier League on 14:50 - Apr 28 by Trequartista |
Seriously? I don’t mean you personally as I can see you think it’s a clear foul, I mean those claiming corruption (for that is where your original attack on me started). You think an Ipswich fan who is claiming corruption having witnessed the other incidents in the game would then see the Guimares incident but with roles reversed (Delap on Pope) and say no that’s fine it’s a free kick to Newcastle all day long. [Post edited 28 Apr 14:51]
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I think those claiming corruption were probably doing so in the heat of the moment and meant it more in terms of obvious big club bias from officials and VAR rather than meaning there's brown envelopes changing hands or a coordinated conspiracy to do us over, so I'm perhaps less exercised by those claims than you. But it's a clear infringement as far as I'm concerned so I don't really see why anyone would be up in arms about it at the other end. Whether VAR would have done a full check if it had been at the other end is an interesting question though. | |
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| Worst refs in the Premier League on 15:23 - Apr 28 with 289 views | Garv |
| Worst refs in the Premier League on 14:38 - Apr 28 by Herbivore |
I don't think using VAR not intervening is quite the defence you think it is. I genuinely don't understand how you can watch that and think there's doubt about whether it's a foul. |
I think you do understand, because I've explained it. You just don't agree with it, which is fine.
Ask 1,000 neutral football fans about that incident and plenty will say the attacker is too soft and goes to ground too easily. | |
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| Worst refs in the Premier League on 15:27 - Apr 28 with 290 views | Trequartista |
| Worst refs in the Premier League on 14:52 - Apr 28 by PhilTWTD |
Bruno G deliberately knocks into Palmer, he even had a fairly obvious look first. Clearly knew what he was doing and was never going to get counted. |
It looks more like guimaraes turns his back, positions himself where he knows it will be difficult for Palmer to catch it cleanly and then Palmer bounces off him. I would say a free kick for obstruction if I am honest but not the slam dunk decision keeper challenges often are. | |
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| Worst refs in the Premier League on 16:05 - Apr 28 with 273 views | Herbivore |
| Worst refs in the Premier League on 15:23 - Apr 28 by Garv |
I think you do understand, because I've explained it. You just don't agree with it, which is fine.
Ask 1,000 neutral football fans about that incident and plenty will say the attacker is too soft and goes to ground too easily. |
Your second paragraph, I couldn't disagree more. I maintain that is an absolutely wild take. | |
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| Worst refs in the Premier League on 16:16 - Apr 28 with 263 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Worst refs in the Premier League on 16:05 - Apr 28 by Herbivore |
Your second paragraph, I couldn't disagree more. I maintain that is an absolutely wild take. |
Stephen Warnock and Sue Smith were both 100% adamant it was a nailed on penalty and astounded that Gallagher could even attempt to justify the non-award. I reckon 99% of neutral fans would say it was a definite penalty. Gallagher was clearly trying to back up VAR but couldn't explain it in a way that satisfied Warnock at all.
But it was one incident that has been and gone now. In many respects it's probably good we didn't go down due to a small margin so we can't see that as the determining factor. |  |
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| Worst refs in the Premier League on 16:28 - Apr 28 with 246 views | PhilTWTD |
| Worst refs in the Premier League on 15:27 - Apr 28 by Trequartista |
It looks more like guimaraes turns his back, positions himself where he knows it will be difficult for Palmer to catch it cleanly and then Palmer bounces off him. I would say a free kick for obstruction if I am honest but not the slam dunk decision keeper challenges often are. |
I actually wondered whether it might have been given as obstruction in previous eras as well. I think there was a deliberate attempt to knock into Palmer as he was going for the ball without making any attempt at getting the ball himself. Looked quite deliberate to me and his celebration suggested he knew full well he was going to get picked up on it! | | | |
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