| Just reading about lucy powell's comments 09:35 - May 4 with 2352 views | redrickstuhaart |
THIS is what is wrong with British politics and media.
It clearly WAS a dog whistle comment by the Reform fellow. She now has to apologise for saying it, because saying it is claimed to be minimising the issue. Which it plainly wasnt. It is possible for a person to be appalled by the grooming gangs issue, taking it seriously, and also pointing out that Reform use it as a dog whistle.
But even labour are being apologetic for it, because of the atmosphere and twisted logic we are working with. |  | | |  |
| Just reading about lucy powell's comments on 16:09 - May 4 with 464 views | Zx1988 |
| Just reading about lucy powell's comments on 15:56 - May 4 by WinchBlue |
Jimmy Saville, Garry Glitter, Rolf Harris. Not just Muslims & Asians. |
Cyril Smith
Prince Andrew
John Smyth | |
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| Just reading about lucy powell's comments on 16:36 - May 4 with 432 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Just reading about lucy powell's comments on 15:56 - May 4 by WinchBlue |
Jimmy Saville, Garry Glitter, Rolf Harris. Not just Muslims & Asians. |
The argument isn’t that white people can’t also be proper wronguns. |  |
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| Just reading about lucy powell's comments on 16:46 - May 4 with 410 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Just reading about lucy powell's comments on 16:36 - May 4 by Lord_Lucan |
The argument isn’t that white people can’t also be proper wronguns. |
What is the argument?
Is it that there has been a series of incidents which have involved people of certain ethnic backgrounds, which some point many years ago now, was not addressed robustly as it should have been because of anxieties about racisal profiling and being seen to be racist?
If it is, its been acknowledged, there have been enquiries, and there are things that need to be done (but werent under the previous government).
What is the argument for repeatedly raising it again, whilst pretending that current authorities and government are somehow in denial? Or pretending it suddenly requires a different enquiry to the one(s) already done?
Its a dogwhistle. | | | |
| Just reading about lucy powell's comments on 17:28 - May 4 with 345 views | Benters |
| Just reading about lucy powell's comments on 09:50 - May 4 by lowhouseblue |
so quite possibly the biggest scandal in the uk for decades - thousands of vulnerable children being raped and the police and public authorities failing to act. a systematic failure of the state to protect vulnerable children - that has already been established by the local enquiries. the police turning a blind eye. we then have the latest channel 4 documentary which is absolutely shocking. the exchange on question time was:
“I don’t know if you saw that documentary on Channel 4 about rape gangs?“
Lucy Powell: “Oh, we want to blow that little trumpet now, do we? Let’s get that dog whistle out, shall we, yeah?“
that is a shocking error of judgement - downplaying and dismissing a child abuse scandal - of course she had to apologise. raising a scandal involving the systematic failure of the state over decades is not 'a dog whistle'. jeez. |
Shocking stuff. |  |
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| Just reading about lucy powell's comments on 17:30 - May 4 with 340 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| Just reading about lucy powell's comments on 13:43 - May 4 by Bluecoin |
- Muslim rapes gangs were laughed off as 'Muslamic Ray Guns' , on this forum. It was brushed aside as racist nonsense, and an opportunity to mock a northern working class man with a funny accent. That aged really well.
- The whole country knows why Starmer is desperate not to have a national independent inquiry. A proper one that is. [Post edited 4 May 13:58]
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You aren't quite getting it right.
A YouTube video of a man titled "Muslamic Ray Guns" was found amusing on here.
That's not quite the same thing as saying that Rape by gangs of men who are Muslim was brushed aside as nonsense, once proper details emerged. But, yes, the original "Muslamic Ray Guns" thing has aged terribly.
There was a massive failure by many agencies, including Police, Social Services and in some cases, Schools and Hospitals/Health Professionals. There was also a huge failure of the London-centric media to be in the slightest bit curious for too long.
It's not too big a stretch to say that the Professional class failed many Working Class women (and their loved ones) horrendously.
I am all for as many inquiries as it takes, as long as their recommendations are acted upon.
All politicians should be seeking the right response here. This really isn't the area to be trying to point-score in.
Kemi Badenoch was Minister for Women from October 2022 to July 2024. How does she have the nerve to try and put this on anyone else when she did nothing? This disgusts me greatly.
Do the Reform top brass care at all about the young women who have been abused so badly, first by the perpetrators, then by the supposed care agencies, and then by the Criminal justice system? I have a view on that with regard to some of them, who (like some, but not all, politicians from other parties, too) come across as sociopathic to me. But the priority here isn't to slap back at Reform, it's to seek meaningful change to the agencies that failed, and the Criminal Justice system that consistently fails women who have been sexually abused or raped.
My own view is that Rape trials should move away from a jury system, and be presided over by specially trained panels of judges, with the survivors of abuse not open to interrogation by Barristers, but instead only the judges asking them questions about their account.
Your last comment about Starmer does you no credit. If you have a specific allegation to make against him, provide some evidence. | | | |
| Just reading about lucy powell's comments on 18:43 - May 4 with 281 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Just reading about lucy powell's comments on 13:43 - May 4 by Bluecoin |
- Muslim rapes gangs were laughed off as 'Muslamic Ray Guns' , on this forum. It was brushed aside as racist nonsense, and an opportunity to mock a northern working class man with a funny accent. That aged really well.
- The whole country knows why Starmer is desperate not to have a national independent inquiry. A proper one that is. [Post edited 4 May 13:58]
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It’s a lot simpler and more obvious than a cover up. It’s very simply because we’ve just had a seven year, extensive inquiry led by Prof. Jay. It cost £70 m and none of the recommendations have yet been implemented.
Another review would be a fantastic waste of money. It would be like us buying a striker for £70M and then not playing them and claiming we need to sign another striker for £70M. You don’t have to invent a conspiracy to know that is daft purely because you already have what you need and you’ve already paid for it.
What needs to happen according to every child exploitation expert I’ve heard interviewed is that the government needs to get off its arse and implement the findings. Some it could do very quickly. Eg. one recommendation was to make a new position of Minister for Children who would take the lead on coordinating the implementation, providing oversight of any legislation changes needed and coordinating responses to the national and other local inquires. They could do that on Tuesday. |  |
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| Just reading about lucy powell's comments on 19:44 - May 4 with 227 views | eireblue |
| Just reading about lucy powell's comments on 18:43 - May 4 by Swansea_Blue |
It’s a lot simpler and more obvious than a cover up. It’s very simply because we’ve just had a seven year, extensive inquiry led by Prof. Jay. It cost £70 m and none of the recommendations have yet been implemented.
Another review would be a fantastic waste of money. It would be like us buying a striker for £70M and then not playing them and claiming we need to sign another striker for £70M. You don’t have to invent a conspiracy to know that is daft purely because you already have what you need and you’ve already paid for it.
What needs to happen according to every child exploitation expert I’ve heard interviewed is that the government needs to get off its arse and implement the findings. Some it could do very quickly. Eg. one recommendation was to make a new position of Minister for Children who would take the lead on coordinating the implementation, providing oversight of any legislation changes needed and coordinating responses to the national and other local inquires. They could do that on Tuesday. |
And the concerns go back a bit further.
“ Why there was such an apparently casual approach to the rape of these children over decades is hard to understand. As early as the late 1940s, some officials and police recognised the problem, and tried to act. In the most striking case, a senior civil servant wanted the then director of public prosecutions to confront the governors of one school that had covered up abuse.”
There have been child abuse scandals since the 1940s.
Seems the best thing to do would be spend time, resource and money to put in place all the measures to protect children that have been recommended at various times. |  | | |
| Just reading about lucy powell's comments on 19:44 - May 4 with 227 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Just reading about lucy powell's comments on 18:43 - May 4 by Swansea_Blue |
It’s a lot simpler and more obvious than a cover up. It’s very simply because we’ve just had a seven year, extensive inquiry led by Prof. Jay. It cost £70 m and none of the recommendations have yet been implemented.
Another review would be a fantastic waste of money. It would be like us buying a striker for £70M and then not playing them and claiming we need to sign another striker for £70M. You don’t have to invent a conspiracy to know that is daft purely because you already have what you need and you’ve already paid for it.
What needs to happen according to every child exploitation expert I’ve heard interviewed is that the government needs to get off its arse and implement the findings. Some it could do very quickly. Eg. one recommendation was to make a new position of Minister for Children who would take the lead on coordinating the implementation, providing oversight of any legislation changes needed and coordinating responses to the national and other local inquires. They could do that on Tuesday. |
The utter dishonesty of this bandwagon started by Badenoch and Farage insisting on an enquiry is painful.
They know that its been done. They know that the recommendations haven't been implemented by the previous regime. They know that Professor Jay's highly informed view is that they need to deal with that rather than doing another national review. And they know she is about the best placed person to make that judgment.
They also know that if they shout about it, thick people will use it as a stick to beat Starmer with, and that it gives their supporters tacit permission to bitch about dangerous immigrants and brown people. | | | |
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| Just reading about lucy powell's comments on 20:27 - May 4 with 186 views | DJR |
For those who actually care about child sexual abuse in whatever circumstances it takes place (and let's not forget that that abuse in the home is thought to make up two-thirds of cases), the following is the most significant news today, involving as it does a rejection of one of Baroness Jay's recommendations.
No doubt it will be completely overshadowed by the row discussed in this thread.
I wonder why?
https://news.sky.com/story/child-sexual-abuse-victims-denied-justice-after-compe
"Child sexual abuse victims 'denied justice' after compensation scheme scrapped over cost
The governments in Scotland and Northern Ireland have set up compensation schemes and paid hundreds of millions of pounds to victims of child sexual abuse - but ministers admit that a similar programme for the rest of the UK has been shelved." [Post edited 4 May 21:08]
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| Just reading about lucy powell's comments on 20:33 - May 4 with 163 views | DJR |
| Just reading about lucy powell's comments on 19:44 - May 4 by redrickstuhaart |
The utter dishonesty of this bandwagon started by Badenoch and Farage insisting on an enquiry is painful.
They know that its been done. They know that the recommendations haven't been implemented by the previous regime. They know that Professor Jay's highly informed view is that they need to deal with that rather than doing another national review. And they know she is about the best placed person to make that judgment.
They also know that if they shout about it, thick people will use it as a stick to beat Starmer with, and that it gives their supporters tacit permission to bitch about dangerous immigrants and brown people. |
As well as taking the view that no further inquiry was necessary, Baroness Jay earlier this year criticised the weaponisation of the issue by Tory MPs.
https://news.sky.com/story/former-child-sex-abuse-inquiry-chair-professor-alexis | | | |
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