| Keir Starmer: "Settlement in UK is a privilege that is earned, not a right& 10:53 - May 15 with 3370 views | blueasfook |
He's basically turned into a pound shop Nigel Farage hasn't he [Post edited 16 May 9:32]
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| Keir Starmer: "Settlement in UK is a privilege that is earned, not a right& on 14:00 - May 15 with 918 views | Herbivore |
| Keir Starmer: "Settlement in UK is a privilege that is earned, not a right& on 13:56 - May 15 by Blueschev |
It's not controversial, it's just an obvious and lazy statement. What exactly does it add to the immigration debate? What does it propose to solve? What's next, tough on immigration, tough on the causes of immigration? At least that would be multi faceted I suppose. |
It's a bland, nothing, reactive statement from a bland, nothing, reactive PM. It stokes the hostile environment, which he will know, but being hostile to immigrants has been a political strategy for many a year now, just that some of us expect better of the Labour Party. This isn't really a labour party though, if we were talking about them in a European election with PR, they'd be part of a centre-right bloc. |  |
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| Keir Starmer: "Settlement in UK is a privilege that is earned, not a right& on 14:00 - May 15 with 919 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Keir Starmer: "Settlement in UK is a privilege that is earned, not a right& on 13:21 - May 15 by WD19 |
By paddling hard? |
So this could all be some sort of elaborate trial to get into the Oxbridge rowing teams? I hadn't thought of it that way before  .
Laughter is the best medicine when faced with how inane this debate is. |  |
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| Keir Starmer: "Settlement in UK is a privilege that is earned, not a right& on 14:06 - May 15 with 894 views | Herbivore |
| Keir Starmer: "Settlement in UK is a privilege that is earned, not a right& on 14:00 - May 15 by Swansea_Blue |
So this could all be some sort of elaborate trial to get into the Oxbridge rowing teams? I hadn't thought of it that way before .
Laughter is the best medicine when faced with how inane this debate is. |
It's okay, Reform have the answers.
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| Keir Starmer: "Settlement in UK is a privilege that is earned, not a right& on 14:36 - May 15 with 819 views | lowhouseblue |
| Keir Starmer: "Settlement in UK is a privilege that is earned, not a right& on 13:56 - May 15 by Blueschev |
It's not controversial, it's just an obvious and lazy statement. What exactly does it add to the immigration debate? What does it propose to solve? What's next, tough on immigration, tough on the causes of immigration? At least that would be multi faceted I suppose. |
it's an attempt to re-set expectations and shape the public dabte. the message needs to be that if you have a three year visa you can't assume you'll be in the uk for more than three years. the reason that some people react to statements of the obvious like that, and therefore the reason why those statements needs to be made, is that those people, although they would never say it out loud, believe in something close to open borders. that's what frames the immigration debate in the uk, just as much as farage's bigotry, and it's why statements of the obvious are then seen as controversial. |  |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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| Keir Starmer: "Settlement in UK is a privilege that is earned, not a right& on 14:51 - May 15 with 791 views | Blueschev |
| Keir Starmer: "Settlement in UK is a privilege that is earned, not a right& on 14:36 - May 15 by lowhouseblue |
it's an attempt to re-set expectations and shape the public dabte. the message needs to be that if you have a three year visa you can't assume you'll be in the uk for more than three years. the reason that some people react to statements of the obvious like that, and therefore the reason why those statements needs to be made, is that those people, although they would never say it out loud, believe in something close to open borders. that's what frames the immigration debate in the uk, just as much as farage's bigotry, and it's why statements of the obvious are then seen as controversial. |
It's not shaping the public debate at all though is it? It's actually conceding the shape of the public debate to Farage et al. If the message needs to be you can't assume you can stay beyond the length of your visa, why is Starmer posturing about "earning" the right to settle here? He's saying what he thinks people want to hear, which just makes him look insincere. |  | | |
| Keir Starmer: "Settlement in UK is a privilege that is earned, not a right& on 18:19 - May 15 with 686 views | ArmaghBlue |
| Keir Starmer: "Settlement in UK is a privilege that is earned, not a right& on 12:54 - May 15 by lowhouseblue |
so why is it controversial when starmer says as much? |
Because we want him do something, not just say it đ |  | | |
| Keir Starmer: "Settlement in UK is a privilege that is earned, not a right& on 18:47 - May 15 with 641 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Keir Starmer: "Settlement in UK is a privilege that is earned, not a right& on 14:06 - May 15 by Herbivore |
It's okay, Reform have the answers.
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Hopeless.
Anyone who promises to âstop the boatsâ or âsmash the gangsâ is just making a rod for their own back. You will always have people attempting to enter through irregular routes and youâll always have people smugglers trying to help them. You can try to reduce it, sure. But not stop it altogether. And anyone who believes Reform (or anyone else) can is living in a fantasy world.
Letâs prioritise speeding up the asylum process, which would save millions, keep working with international partners around return deals, use our soft power and aid budget to try to encourage stability and prosperity in the source countries, and most of all, stop letting such a minor part of immigration scupper opportunities for us to make the most out of immigration. | |
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| Keir Starmer: "Settlement in UK is a privilege that is earned, not a right& on 18:51 - May 15 with 637 views | Whos_blue |
| Keir Starmer: "Settlement in UK is a privilege that is earned, not a right& on 14:06 - May 15 by Herbivore |
It's okay, Reform have the answers.
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I saw that last night.
That wasn't even the worst of it.
Wasn't able to offer a coherent comment on Andrea Jenkyns' "let them live in tents" proclamation either.
But still people are wilfully deaf to it all.
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| Keir Starmer: "Settlement in UK is a privilege that is earned, not a right& on 18:55 - May 15 with 632 views | Herbivore |
| Keir Starmer: "Settlement in UK is a privilege that is earned, not a right& on 18:19 - May 15 by ArmaghBlue |
Because we want him do something, not just say it đ |
He is doing stuff though, have you not been watching the news? They announced a whole raft of measures to tighten up immigration. | |
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| Keir Starmer: "Settlement in UK is a privilege that is earned, not a right& on 19:04 - May 15 with 621 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Keir Starmer: "Settlement in UK is a privilege that is earned, not a right& on 18:55 - May 15 by Herbivore |
He is doing stuff though, have you not been watching the news? They announced a whole raft of measures to tighten up immigration. |
That shows how much of a farce this all is. Labour go full-on with Braverman rhetoric but actually do something and the Reform/Tory/xenophobes arenât having it. Youâre right that this thread proves thereâs nothing Labour can do to win over Farageâs supporters, so why on earth even try.
If this is all McSweeneyâs doing, he needs sacking ASAP if Labour donât want to suffer the same fate as the Tories at the next election. | |
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| Keir Starmer: "Settlement in UK is a privilege that is earned, not a right& on 22:46 - May 15 with 492 views | ArmaghBlue |
| Keir Starmer: "Settlement in UK is a privilege that is earned, not a right& on 19:04 - May 15 by Swansea_Blue |
That shows how much of a farce this all is. Labour go full-on with Braverman rhetoric but actually do something and the Reform/Tory/xenophobes arenât having it. Youâre right that this thread proves thereâs nothing Labour can do to win over Farageâs supporters, so why on earth even try.
If this is all McSweeneyâs doing, he needs sacking ASAP if Labour donât want to suffer the same fate as the Tories at the next election. |
I look forward to seeing the fruits of this action. | | | |
| Keir Starmer: "Settlement in UK is a privilege that is earned, not a right& on 23:17 - May 15 with 461 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Keir Starmer: "Settlement in UK is a privilege that is earned, not a right& on 22:46 - May 15 by ArmaghBlue |
I look forward to seeing the fruits of this action. |
Me too, hopefully you foreigners from Northern Ireland will be the first to feel the full force of the law. |  |
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| Keir Starmer: "Settlement in UK is a privilege that is earned, not a right& on 08:02 - May 16 with 328 views | Herbivore |
Bridget Phillipson in the Telegraph saying very Telegraph things: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/05/16/children-to-be-taught-to-show-so
I wonder if people who voted Labour knew they were getting a party much more closely aligned in policy and rhetoric to the Tories than to a typical labour party. I remember the Tories saying at the last election "vote Reform, get Labour". Turns out it's more like "vote Labour, get Reform". | |
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| Keir Starmer: "Settlement in UK is a privilege that is earned, not a right& on 08:13 - May 16 with 312 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
More daily bobbins from blueas
âYou lost; get over itâ |  |
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| Keir Starmer: "Settlement in UK is a privilege that is earned, not a right& on 08:24 - May 16 with 283 views | lowhouseblue |
| Keir Starmer: "Settlement in UK is a privilege that is earned, not a right& on 08:02 - May 16 by Herbivore |
Bridget Phillipson in the Telegraph saying very Telegraph things: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/05/16/children-to-be-taught-to-show-so
I wonder if people who voted Labour knew they were getting a party much more closely aligned in policy and rhetoric to the Tories than to a typical labour party. I remember the Tories saying at the last election "vote Reform, get Labour". Turns out it's more like "vote Labour, get Reform". |
most of them are likely just to be relieved that we have a government that seems to be starting to tackle an unprecedented level of immigration that the vast majority of the population don't want. | |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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| Keir Starmer: "Settlement in UK is a privilege that is earned, not a right& on 08:37 - May 16 with 268 views | blueasfook |
| Keir Starmer: "Settlement in UK is a privilege that is earned, not a right& on 08:13 - May 16 by Cheltenham_Blue |
More daily bobbins from blueas
âYou lost; get over itâ |
Huh? I take it you're happy with Keir Starmer's attempts to recreate 1930s Germany then. Won't be long before he starts talking about "final solutions". | |
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| Keir Starmer: "Settlement in UK is a privilege that is earned, not a right& on 08:49 - May 16 with 251 views | StokieBlue |
| Keir Starmer: "Settlement in UK is a privilege that is earned, not a right& on 08:37 - May 16 by blueasfook |
Huh? I take it you're happy with Keir Starmer's attempts to recreate 1930s Germany then. Won't be long before he starts talking about "final solutions". |
Hang on.
When people on here have historically compared the Tories or Reform to 1930's Germany there has been huge push back yet it's OK for you to do it with Labour?
You've previously been highlighting that Labour aren't doing enough on immigration like Reform would do and when they change to a more Reform like stance you still criticise it.
I assume you'll be applying this same 1930's Germany narrative to those posting in support of Reform going forward as they are clearly more extreme than this Labour policy will be.
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| Keir Starmer: "Settlement in UK is a privilege that is earned, not a right& on 08:49 - May 16 with 228 views | textbackup |
Had that been tweeted doing the riots you might have been in front of a judge. |  |
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| Keir Starmer: "Settlement in UK is a privilege that is earned, not a right& on 08:52 - May 16 with 212 views | bluejacko |
| Keir Starmer: "Settlement in UK is a privilege that is earned, not a right& on 23:17 - May 15 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Me too, hopefully you foreigners from Northern Ireland will be the first to feel the full force of the law. |
Closely followed by the Scots and Welsh according to your logicđ |  | | |
| Keir Starmer: "Settlement in UK is a privilege that is earned, not a right& on 09:01 - May 16 with 200 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Keir Starmer: "Settlement in UK is a privilege that is earned, not a right& on 22:46 - May 15 by ArmaghBlue |
I look forward to seeing the fruits of this action. |
A worsening of the NHS staffing crisis, a possible collapse in social care provision and thousands more redundancies across our higher education and research sector? Sadly I believe that you are looking forward to that. | |
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| Keir Starmer: "Settlement in UK is a privilege that is earned, not a right& on 09:02 - May 16 with 197 views | ArmaghBlue |
| Keir Starmer: "Settlement in UK is a privilege that is earned, not a right& on 09:01 - May 16 by Swansea_Blue |
A worsening of the NHS staffing crisis, a possible collapse in social care provision and thousands more redundancies across our higher education and research sector? Sadly I believe that you are looking forward to that. |
How many illegal immigrants are actually working for the NHS etc to pay for their accommodation? | | | |
| Keir Starmer: "Settlement in UK is a privilege that is earned, not a right& on 09:16 - May 16 with 160 views | Blueschev |
| Keir Starmer: "Settlement in UK is a privilege that is earned, not a right& on 08:49 - May 16 by textbackup |
Had that been tweeted doing the riots you might have been in front of a judge. |
Do you actually believe that? | | | |
| Keir Starmer: "Settlement in UK is a privilege that is earned, not a right& on 09:34 - May 16 with 129 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Keir Starmer: "Settlement in UK is a privilege that is earned, not a right& on 08:52 - May 16 by bluejacko |
Closely followed by the Scots and Welsh according to your logicđ |
I think you may be on to something! | |
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