| After this weekend... 05:46 - May 23 with 1768 views | muccletonjoe |
Very difficult to say what the core of the team is anymore. I definitely wouldn't rule out virtually anyone leaving. |  | | |  |
| After this weekend... on 06:22 - May 23 with 1667 views | Blue_Heath |
Yeah I don't disagree, you basically have the old guard who will be thinking I am surplus to requirements in a years time if we go up and the new guard some of whom likely think they belong in the premier league.
I think there will be a lot of activity, that said some players may be hard to sell due to price tags we paid e.g. Taylor and Al Hamadi.
It is going to be a difficult summer to build a Championship ready team for August. That is what's needed a team, not 25 players constantly rotated, we need a core of 9 players that start week in, week out and get some momentum going quick.
I'd say only Palmer, Woolfy, Hirst, Szmodics, Ogbene are almost certain to start the first match. Hope we get one more year out of Morsy as we need his leadership to hold things together. As you say Clark could easily go back to Sunderland if the win the play offs and I am sure many others would jump if a premier club came calling.
I think a lot depends on whether KM is true to his word about staying and there has already been a lot of planning, transfers need to get done early on. I'd also be budgeting for a January spend to push on further and cover the inevitable injuries we seem to suffer with. |  | | |
| After this weekend... on 06:43 - May 23 with 1623 views | PioneerBlue |
I would say core likely but nothing definitive as per OP and there will be significant change this summer is what I’m imagining.
Palmer
(Walton)
Johnson
Wolf
Greaves
Leif
Morsy
SS
Chaplin
Hirsty
Here’s were the guess fails
Up to 5 of them might not be here!
It would be ideal if these were still with club
DOS
H Clarke
J Clarke
Jaden
Omari
Townsend
If Ogbene is, stays fit and hits ground running you’ve got a team right there then it’s Midfield and a Striker to solve, and finishers required to build out squad, RW, CD, Mfd. | |
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| After this weekend... on 07:04 - May 23 with 1541 views | jayessess |
Think some of the talk of mass changes seems a bit unlikely. We're yet to properly cash in on a first team player under McKenna and generally we've looked to keep developing players rather than cash in and re-invest.
To have a grand reset now would be a major shift and there's been no indication that's our intention. In fact, the reverse is true, McKenna has talked about keeping out of contract players at the club and about signing Cajuste permanently if we can.
I don't think it would surprise me if we retained Tuanzebe, Burgess and Cajuste in the end, Delap was the only major sale and the only other exits were loans returning. |  |
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| After this weekend... on 07:06 - May 23 with 1535 views | Swansea_Blue |
| After this weekend... on 06:43 - May 23 by PioneerBlue |
I would say core likely but nothing definitive as per OP and there will be significant change this summer is what I’m imagining.
Palmer
(Walton)
Johnson
Wolf
Greaves
Leif
Morsy
SS
Chaplin
Hirsty
Here’s were the guess fails
Up to 5 of them might not be here!
It would be ideal if these were still with club
DOS
H Clarke
J Clarke
Jaden
Omari
Townsend
If Ogbene is, stays fit and hits ground running you’ve got a team right there then it’s Midfield and a Striker to solve, and finishers required to build out squad, RW, CD, Mfd. |
I can see there being interest in Palmer, Greaves, Leif (already reported) and possibly even Hirst. They certainly won’t all leave, but I’m with the OP in that there are lots who could. I’ve no idea who though or I’d be down the bookies to make my fortune. |  |
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| After this weekend... on 07:06 - May 23 with 1534 views | BeachBlue |
There's no doubt that some tough decisions will have to get made about players leaving. However, we are financially in the healthiest position we've been in for years for recruitment in the championship. So I'm cautiously optimistic* about incoming players.
*Cautiously optimistic. The mindset of many a Suffolk born person. 😁 |  | | |
| After this weekend... on 07:13 - May 23 with 1504 views | Horsham |
Say we work on best case that Axel, Burgess and Cajuste stay the squad is just too big anyway.
Muric, Walton, Palmer, Slicker (4) ideally 3
Axel, Johnson, Clarke (3) ideally 2
O’Shea, Woolfenden (2)
Burgess, Greaves (2)
Davis, Townsend (2)
Morsy, Taylor 2)
Cajuste, Humphreys (2)
Ogbene, Burns (2)
Hutchinson, Chaplin (2)
Szmodics, Clarke, Philogene, Broadhead (4) ideally 3
Delap, Hirst, AAH (3)
There’s too many goalkeepers, too many right backs, and too many wingers/10’s and speculating Slicker, H Clarke and sadly Broadhead the likely lads to be at the back of the queue.
Then anyone else who goes or doesnt come back because let’s face it it’s highly likely at least a couple of Burgess, Axel and Cajuste aren’t here need replacing
I’d reckon we might find there’s some pressure on being able to keep and the below might leave. For each one that leaves we need a replacement.
Delap - certain
Cajuste - highly likely
Burgess- highly likely
Axel - possible
Davis - possible
O’Shea - possible
Hutchison- possible
Then there’s championship and league one heroes who mostly have a year left contracted where there will be stick or twist decisions.
Not a lot is certain and we might end up looking pretty similar squad wise to how we do now and that continuity would do me as we’ve had a turbulent time with ins and outs but it remains to be seen as stuff like release clauses might determine what happens. |  | | |
| After this weekend... on 07:23 - May 23 with 1466 views | PioneerBlue |
| After this weekend... on 07:04 - May 23 by jayessess |
Think some of the talk of mass changes seems a bit unlikely. We're yet to properly cash in on a first team player under McKenna and generally we've looked to keep developing players rather than cash in and re-invest.
To have a grand reset now would be a major shift and there's been no indication that's our intention. In fact, the reverse is true, McKenna has talked about keeping out of contract players at the club and about signing Cajuste permanently if we can.
I don't think it would surprise me if we retained Tuanzebe, Burgess and Cajuste in the end, Delap was the only major sale and the only other exits were loans returning. |
I’m not wishing significant change particularly, but only looking at what’s happening. Having to rebuild your whole midfield and replace a top goal scorer seems quite significant before normal loans are replaced and other squad churn resolved. | |
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| After this weekend... on 08:38 - May 23 with 1211 views | Vic |
Ha, I came on here this morning thinking pretty much exactly the same thing! Over the last 4 summers we’ve been building. Now for the first time we face seeing what we’ve building being dismantled or at the least reconfigured. Hopefully the net result will be the sort of step improvement that we eventually saw after the old squad of 4 years ago was blown up by the demolition man. |  |
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| After this weekend... on 08:55 - May 23 with 1145 views | bluefunk |
I think we’ll lose Muric, Burgess, Davis, Axel, Luongo, Broadhead and Delap plus obviously Cajuste, Phillips and Enciso from the current squad.
If we lose those 10, we’re automatically into what might be termed a major rebuild, but look at Burnley last year and the number of players they lost from their PL squad and what they went on to achieve.
Possibles include DOS, which would be a blow, Jack Clarke, although he’s already had a couple of goes at the PL and fallen short, and Hirst, although I hope not. I can’t see bids for anyone else. |  | | |
| After this weekend... on 09:19 - May 23 with 1038 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
Think our recruitment in the summer has set us up pretty well.
We have so many options behind the striker. All of whom are TOP championship players. A good group of centre backs. Couple of good right backs, a premium left back. I'm sure 2/3 will go but its a very solid base.
Midfield, much discussed is an area we need to be targeting and I'm sure we will put down some significant transfer fees on a couple bodies in that area, but dont rule out Morsy being a top performer at that level again. He has handled himself very well in his first Prem campaign and I still think he has a lot to give.
Need another striker who is capable of starting games, due to Hirsts injury record. A young athletic striker, who offers a lot off the ball and can run channels. Ivanovic, Kone someone in that mould and then either a senior striker in or a younger one on loan.
I think we will maybe be recruiting 3/4 starters at most and then filling out the squad. [Post edited 23 May 9:23]
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| After this weekend... on 10:31 - May 23 with 917 views | jayessess |
| After this weekend... on 07:23 - May 23 by PioneerBlue |
I’m not wishing significant change particularly, but only looking at what’s happening. Having to rebuild your whole midfield and replace a top goal scorer seems quite significant before normal loans are replaced and other squad churn resolved. |
Just tend to think that the club that kept Sone Aluko on the books as a player in 2023-24, that kept Marcus Harness and George Edmundson around until deadline day 2024 just in case, that only arranged loans for Harry Clarke and Ali Al-Hamadi in January is not nearly so interested in player trading and squad churn as some imagine.
Wouldn't say 4 loans ending and 3 contract expiries is an especially huge number for this time of year, especially when we're looking to retain 3 of them and 3 of them we've barely used of late. | |
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| After this weekend... on 12:03 - May 23 with 746 views | Basuco |
If we can demand, or get, all the Delap £30 million up front, then that puts us in a very strong place to make sure any further player sales will be for top prices. I am looking forward to who will replace Burgess and Tuanzebe, assuming they have rejected new contracts, sad to see both leave along with Cajuste, all have been fantastic. |  | | |
| After this weekend... on 12:03 - May 23 with 743 views | HighgateBlue |
| After this weekend... on 08:55 - May 23 by bluefunk |
I think we’ll lose Muric, Burgess, Davis, Axel, Luongo, Broadhead and Delap plus obviously Cajuste, Phillips and Enciso from the current squad.
If we lose those 10, we’re automatically into what might be termed a major rebuild, but look at Burnley last year and the number of players they lost from their PL squad and what they went on to achieve.
Possibles include DOS, which would be a blow, Jack Clarke, although he’s already had a couple of goes at the PL and fallen short, and Hirst, although I hope not. I can’t see bids for anyone else. |
I really think we should pull out all the stops to keep Burgess and Axel. At Championship level they're high quality players in their respective roles, they've been in and around the squad for a fair while, they have decent experience, and frankly I think we've been better (less bad) this season when they've started. |  | | |
| After this weekend... on 12:56 - May 23 with 624 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| After this weekend... on 08:55 - May 23 by bluefunk |
I think we’ll lose Muric, Burgess, Davis, Axel, Luongo, Broadhead and Delap plus obviously Cajuste, Phillips and Enciso from the current squad.
If we lose those 10, we’re automatically into what might be termed a major rebuild, but look at Burnley last year and the number of players they lost from their PL squad and what they went on to achieve.
Possibles include DOS, which would be a blow, Jack Clarke, although he’s already had a couple of goes at the PL and fallen short, and Hirst, although I hope not. I can’t see bids for anyone else. |
Would be sad to see Broadhead go, quality player and (joint) top scorer in our Champs season. Has struggled to stay fit for long periods though - is that your thinking? | | | |
| After this weekend... on 13:02 - May 23 with 600 views | _clive_baker_ |
| After this weekend... on 07:04 - May 23 by jayessess |
Think some of the talk of mass changes seems a bit unlikely. We're yet to properly cash in on a first team player under McKenna and generally we've looked to keep developing players rather than cash in and re-invest.
To have a grand reset now would be a major shift and there's been no indication that's our intention. In fact, the reverse is true, McKenna has talked about keeping out of contract players at the club and about signing Cajuste permanently if we can.
I don't think it would surprise me if we retained Tuanzebe, Burgess and Cajuste in the end, Delap was the only major sale and the only other exits were loans returning. |
Mass changes are inevitable, he's out of contract. |  | | |
| After this weekend... on 13:17 - May 23 with 549 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| After this weekend... on 13:02 - May 23 by _clive_baker_ |
Mass changes are inevitable, he's out of contract. |
I too don't see mass changes of the permanent players - why would we?
To be clear, I see mass changes as what Burnley did - but their circumstances were very different. Loanees will be gone - but I don't count those, as they are always transient. A number of fringe players will move on. I don't see more than handful of the core moving though. | | | |
| After this weekend... on 13:33 - May 23 with 485 views | _clive_baker_ |
| After this weekend... on 13:17 - May 23 by SuffolkPunchFC |
I too don't see mass changes of the permanent players - why would we?
To be clear, I see mass changes as what Burnley did - but their circumstances were very different. Loanees will be gone - but I don't count those, as they are always transient. A number of fringe players will move on. I don't see more than handful of the core moving though. |
It was just a play on words tbh, mass as in Massimo.
Being less flippant for a sec I guess it depends on your definition of mass. Straight off the bat we'll see Godfrey, Phillips, Enciso & Cajuste go back. 2 or 3 'big tickets' are inevitable I would think, probably from Delap, Davis, O'Shea, Hutchinson. I can see us losing 2 and keeping 2. Burgess & Tuanzebe are out of contract, losing 1 and keeping 1 isn't an unreasonable assumption. Ben Johnson has been linked with a move away and I don't see a world where Muric stays here. Its possible at least 1 of them goes. Luongo almost certainly will.
Aside from that I could see a bit more change, maybe AAH, Broadhead, Taylor, Morsy, Woolfy. Perhaps 1 or 2 of those 5 going.
I could easily see 10-12 out (including loans). | | | |
| After this weekend... on 14:24 - May 23 with 383 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| After this weekend... on 13:33 - May 23 by _clive_baker_ |
It was just a play on words tbh, mass as in Massimo.
Being less flippant for a sec I guess it depends on your definition of mass. Straight off the bat we'll see Godfrey, Phillips, Enciso & Cajuste go back. 2 or 3 'big tickets' are inevitable I would think, probably from Delap, Davis, O'Shea, Hutchinson. I can see us losing 2 and keeping 2. Burgess & Tuanzebe are out of contract, losing 1 and keeping 1 isn't an unreasonable assumption. Ben Johnson has been linked with a move away and I don't see a world where Muric stays here. Its possible at least 1 of them goes. Luongo almost certainly will.
Aside from that I could see a bit more change, maybe AAH, Broadhead, Taylor, Morsy, Woolfy. Perhaps 1 or 2 of those 5 going.
I could easily see 10-12 out (including loans). |
 on my part then.
I agree with your assessment. As I said, I don't count the loan players - they were most likely to only for the season (except Cajuste ofc).
A lot comes down to 'core' vs 'fringe'. I'll be surprised to see 3 'big tickets' move on though. I expect 2, and hope it's 1. KmK's words give me hope that this is the intent, although we also won't turn down a big transfer fee. O'Shea I'd say is odds on to stay, and both Leif and Omari need big tickets attached to them for us to allow them to move - both hard to replace.
I'm pretty confident Johnson will stay and think it's evens we keep Tuanzebe.
Muric I want to stay, but fear it's impossible.
Your number is about right - excluding loanees, I expected 7-8 to move on. Burnley lost 21!!! That's a mass clear out. | | | |
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