| US credibility 20:32 - May 31 with 1871 views | NthQldITFC |
I think that the EU, the UK, China, the Palestinians, Ukraine, Hamas even and hell, the rest of the world should just say to each and every US envoy or whatever they pretend to be, "Look, you have absolutely no credibility left, just piss off and let the adults decide what's going to happen." |  |
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| US credibility on 20:59 - May 31 with 1477 views | Guthrum |
Problem is, they'd be saying that to the world's wealthiest marketplace, who own the default trading currency, also happens to have one of the best-armed militaries and a veto on the UN Security Council. Unfortunately, the USA simply cannot be ignored or sidelined. They may have little credibility left, but there is still a lot of clout.
Otherwise the Russians, Chinese and whoever else would have done it years ago, when the likely reaction would have been less extreme. |  |
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| US credibility on 21:07 - May 31 with 1435 views | J2BLUE |
You have to laugh |  |
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| US credibility on 21:07 - May 31 with 1438 views | Swansea_Blue |
They’re one of the parties going through negotiations involving the American administration |  |
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| US credibility on 21:13 - May 31 with 1413 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| US credibility on 21:07 - May 31 by J2BLUE |
You have to laugh |
Love that he puts them in the same sentence (like they should form a geopolitical alliance or something) with a bunch of western counties that have designated them a terrorist organization.
Back to the footy for me I think! |  | | |
| US credibility on 21:14 - May 31 with 1407 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
‘Adults in the room’ Is that the same China that provides much of Russia’s weapons components, and trying to eradicate their own Muslim population.
That’s a pretty wild take. |  | | |
| US credibility on 21:17 - May 31 with 1364 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| US credibility on 21:07 - May 31 by Swansea_Blue |
They’re one of the parties going through negotiations involving the American administration |
Yes, China and errrr Hamas, the adults in the room! That’s enough TWTD’ing for me today. | | | |
| US credibility on 21:21 - May 31 with 1308 views | NthQldITFC |
| US credibility on 21:17 - May 31 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Yes, China and errrr Hamas, the adults in the room! That’s enough TWTD’ing for me today. |
I hear you, and completely agree with you. It's a provocative statement I know, and in no way in support of those entities, it's just an intention to illustrate that the US is now a complete joke. | |
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| US credibility on 21:24 - May 31 with 1267 views | J2BLUE |
| US credibility on 21:21 - May 31 by NthQldITFC |
I hear you, and completely agree with you. It's a provocative statement I know, and in no way in support of those entities, it's just an intention to illustrate that the US is now a complete joke. |
Less of a joke than Hamas though. Even if the US is run by incompetent cretins they still have immense power. | |
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| US credibility on 21:26 - May 31 with 1246 views | Swansea_Blue |
| US credibility on 21:17 - May 31 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Yes, China and errrr Hamas, the adults in the room! That’s enough TWTD’ing for me today. |
The general point that Trump is tanking US credibility is true however. Most wouldn’t trust his word any more than Hamas’. | |
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| US credibility on 21:27 - May 31 with 1232 views | NthQldITFC |
| US credibility on 20:59 - May 31 by Guthrum |
Problem is, they'd be saying that to the world's wealthiest marketplace, who own the default trading currency, also happens to have one of the best-armed militaries and a veto on the UN Security Council. Unfortunately, the USA simply cannot be ignored or sidelined. They may have little credibility left, but there is still a lot of clout.
Otherwise the Russians, Chinese and whoever else would have done it years ago, when the likely reaction would have been less extreme. |
Indeed, not intended as any sort of practical proposal, just expressing frustration at TACO's latest tariff-w@nk-fest-pre-climbdown, fk everything up and bullsh!t the rest of the world like the stroppy, puffy-faced five year old at kindergarten with the richest parents who pay the teachers, sort of thing. | |
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| US credibility on 21:28 - May 31 with 1222 views | NthQldITFC |
| US credibility on 21:24 - May 31 by J2BLUE |
Less of a joke than Hamas though. Even if the US is run by incompetent cretins they still have immense power. |
I agree. Pretty fn low bar, but I do agree. [Post edited 31 May 21:28]
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| US credibility on 21:33 - May 31 with 1193 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| US credibility on 21:26 - May 31 by Swansea_Blue |
The general point that Trump is tanking US credibility is true however. Most wouldn’t trust his word any more than Hamas’. |
Of course you feel the need to jump in twice to defend the ridiculousness of his statement. | | | |
| US credibility on 21:39 - May 31 with 1136 views | NthQldITFC |
| US credibility on 21:33 - May 31 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Of course you feel the need to jump in twice to defend the ridiculousness of his statement. |
You can address me directly if you want, I don't bite. | |
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| US credibility on 21:40 - May 31 with 1125 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| US credibility on 21:39 - May 31 by NthQldITFC |
You can address me directly if you want, I don't bite. |
I did. | | | |
| US credibility on 00:08 - Jun 1 with 943 views | BlueBadger |
| US credibility on 21:33 - May 31 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Of course you feel the need to jump in twice to defend the ridiculousness of his statement. |
To be fair, Trump has a roughly similar level of credibility as Hamas. |  |
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| US credibility on 00:17 - Jun 1 with 931 views | BlueBadger |
| US credibility on 00:08 - Jun 1 by BlueBadger |
To be fair, Trump has a roughly similar level of credibility as Hamas. |
But also: Christ Alive. | |
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| US credibility on 00:24 - Jun 1 with 903 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| US credibility on 21:07 - May 31 by J2BLUE |
You have to laugh |
You do don't you, I mean as if you or the Israeli state would have any complaints about project Trump. |  |
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| US credibility on 00:27 - Jun 1 with 886 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| US credibility on 21:26 - May 31 by Swansea_Blue |
The general point that Trump is tanking US credibility is true however. Most wouldn’t trust his word any more than Hamas’. |
And yet it was the Israeli state that reneged on a ceasefire deal ! | |
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| US credibility on 01:23 - Jun 1 with 844 views | baxterbasics |
You make a mistake if you think the rest of the world can unite on anything.
It's like when people look at polls where Reform (or previously, The Cons) are doing well and shriek "Progressive alliance!" as if all other parties could ever agree a policy program. But a much larger scale. |  |
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| US credibility on 07:16 - Jun 1 with 727 views | Churchman |
I do wish the rest of the world would say to Trump ‘you want isolationism, your word means nothing, you are unreliable, vindictive , rat on your friends and have no idea how the world works so p£ss off’.
But sadly it doesn’t work that way. The US is what it is. Massive economically, militarily and because of that politically and cannot be cut off like a wart. so it has to be humoured (Starmer, Macron brown nosing), bluffed (China, Canada) or at least played along with. If you are going to move away from them, which I believe countries should, it can only be done over time.
Credibility wise, America faces a growing problem. Politically it is unstable. Trump has moved the country towards authoritarianism. Old relationships are in the bin, new ones sought. Paranoia and baseless rage rule. Enemies are to be broken and Trump’s sense of entitlement and love of exercising power is everything. He knows he is right in all things. Good luck dealing with that.
For multinational companies SME or anything else, US or otherwise you can’t truly plan long term because you no longer have any certainty of who will be there. Politically, given allies of six months ago are now enemies and visa versa how do you deal with that? Even new best friends Russia are going to be suspicious of a turncoat.
So what if you do? You hold on America, look to invest and build elsewhere and gradually move away from the land of the increasingly less free.
Internally, he is at war with America but the Donald is relying on Chuck from Podunk with his MAGA hat not to notice. He is trying to crush his enemies and telling Chuck it’s a good thing. Chuck will believe him - for now. Trouble is the orange one is creating as many enemies as he crushes.
Interesting article on NBC re Trump pardons.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-pardons-drive-big-burgeoning
Anyone essentially with sufficient money can potentially buy a Trump pardon. Trump supporters of course. Big business. If you are an enemy, you’ll be whistling Dixie in the big house for a very long time, innocent or not. So what does this mean? If you are rich and on the right side, you get one form of justice. If you are not, bad luck. Two tier justice. Not exactly American.
Externally, Hesgeth gave mixed messages at the Far East conference yesterday. When all is said and done, America can no longer be relied on. New alliances need forming as the world remodels itself. Assuming there is not a third world war, Trump’s madness may do the west a favour and drive it into less reliance on the US.
All because America’s credibility is going down the pan. [Post edited 1 Jun 7:18]
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| US credibility on 09:39 - Jun 1 with 603 views | mellowblue |
| US credibility on 07:16 - Jun 1 by Churchman |
I do wish the rest of the world would say to Trump ‘you want isolationism, your word means nothing, you are unreliable, vindictive , rat on your friends and have no idea how the world works so p£ss off’.
But sadly it doesn’t work that way. The US is what it is. Massive economically, militarily and because of that politically and cannot be cut off like a wart. so it has to be humoured (Starmer, Macron brown nosing), bluffed (China, Canada) or at least played along with. If you are going to move away from them, which I believe countries should, it can only be done over time.
Credibility wise, America faces a growing problem. Politically it is unstable. Trump has moved the country towards authoritarianism. Old relationships are in the bin, new ones sought. Paranoia and baseless rage rule. Enemies are to be broken and Trump’s sense of entitlement and love of exercising power is everything. He knows he is right in all things. Good luck dealing with that.
For multinational companies SME or anything else, US or otherwise you can’t truly plan long term because you no longer have any certainty of who will be there. Politically, given allies of six months ago are now enemies and visa versa how do you deal with that? Even new best friends Russia are going to be suspicious of a turncoat.
So what if you do? You hold on America, look to invest and build elsewhere and gradually move away from the land of the increasingly less free.
Internally, he is at war with America but the Donald is relying on Chuck from Podunk with his MAGA hat not to notice. He is trying to crush his enemies and telling Chuck it’s a good thing. Chuck will believe him - for now. Trouble is the orange one is creating as many enemies as he crushes.
Interesting article on NBC re Trump pardons.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-pardons-drive-big-burgeoning
Anyone essentially with sufficient money can potentially buy a Trump pardon. Trump supporters of course. Big business. If you are an enemy, you’ll be whistling Dixie in the big house for a very long time, innocent or not. So what does this mean? If you are rich and on the right side, you get one form of justice. If you are not, bad luck. Two tier justice. Not exactly American.
Externally, Hesgeth gave mixed messages at the Far East conference yesterday. When all is said and done, America can no longer be relied on. New alliances need forming as the world remodels itself. Assuming there is not a third world war, Trump’s madness may do the west a favour and drive it into less reliance on the US.
All because America’s credibility is going down the pan. [Post edited 1 Jun 7:18]
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The US are very spooked by China and it's eyes are very much on the Pacific region. If it can drive Europe to be more self-sufficient militarily it helps them greatly. If it can keep Russia in check by either letting it continue to bleed in Ukraine or being faux friendly with Putin and controlling any restitution of Russia to the world order, post conflict, that will do nicely to. The China-Taiwan situation and need to build relationships in the Far East is where US interest lies. | | | |
| US credibility on 09:46 - Jun 1 with 585 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| US credibility on 09:39 - Jun 1 by mellowblue |
The US are very spooked by China and it's eyes are very much on the Pacific region. If it can drive Europe to be more self-sufficient militarily it helps them greatly. If it can keep Russia in check by either letting it continue to bleed in Ukraine or being faux friendly with Putin and controlling any restitution of Russia to the world order, post conflict, that will do nicely to. The China-Taiwan situation and need to build relationships in the Far East is where US interest lies. |
It seems to me it’s finally dawned on Trump (what we all knew) that Putin was stringing him along. I think he genuinely thought he’d end the war within a few weeks of coming to power. Clearly Putin doesn’t want peace, he wants to continue the war to maintain power in Russia (much like Netenyaho).
Trump having the attention span of a toddler has now lost interest and moved onto the next shiny thing. Unfortunately the return to US isolationism is going to see increased instability in the world. China is far more likely to take advantage of that than step up as a world leader (they’ll be very pleased that the West is no longer united). | | | |
| US credibility on 09:51 - Jun 1 with 569 views | StokieBlue |
| US credibility on 09:46 - Jun 1 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
It seems to me it’s finally dawned on Trump (what we all knew) that Putin was stringing him along. I think he genuinely thought he’d end the war within a few weeks of coming to power. Clearly Putin doesn’t want peace, he wants to continue the war to maintain power in Russia (much like Netenyaho).
Trump having the attention span of a toddler has now lost interest and moved onto the next shiny thing. Unfortunately the return to US isolationism is going to see increased instability in the world. China is far more likely to take advantage of that than step up as a world leader (they’ll be very pleased that the West is no longer united). |
Trump originally said he would end the war "on day 1".
Just another piece of evidence highlighting things he says and by extension the US, have no credibility.
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