| Israel & Iran 12:29 - Jun 16 with 2177 views | Zx1988 |
At least the media isn't focusing quite as much on Gaza now, eh?
Funny how, after the week Israel had been having with regards to media attention on Gaza, they should suddenly reach the decision to start a war with Iran as well...
Or can we not say that, on the basis that it's antisemitic to suggest that Israel 'plots' things? [Post edited 16 Jun 12:30]
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| Israel & Iran on 12:34 - Jun 16 with 1679 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
Bit difficult for the media to focus on Gaza at the moment anyway, Israel bombed and destroyed the only remaining fibre cable into and out of Gaza at the weekend.
With the international media unable to enter Gaza, what possible reason would Israel have to do that? If we are going to talk plots, it's almost as though they don't want any word of what is happening in Gaza to get out. |  |
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| Israel & Iran on 13:03 - Jun 16 with 1577 views | WD19 |
| Israel & Iran on 12:34 - Jun 16 by Cheltenham_Blue |
Bit difficult for the media to focus on Gaza at the moment anyway, Israel bombed and destroyed the only remaining fibre cable into and out of Gaza at the weekend.
With the international media unable to enter Gaza, what possible reason would Israel have to do that? If we are going to talk plots, it's almost as though they don't want any word of what is happening in Gaza to get out. |
Does what’s happening in Gaza involve Donald Trump and Epstein in any way? I could have sworn I saw something in the news about this about 2 minutes before Israel started its latest bout of mass murder. |  | | |
| Israel & Iran on 14:10 - Jun 16 with 1482 views | blueasfook |
| Israel & Iran on 13:03 - Jun 16 by WD19 |
Does what’s happening in Gaza involve Donald Trump and Epstein in any way? I could have sworn I saw something in the news about this about 2 minutes before Israel started its latest bout of mass murder. |
What a stupid statement. Israel is acting to protect its own interests. Iran is a sponsor of terrorism throughout the world. I sometimes wonder whose side people like you are on. |  |
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| Israel & Iran on 14:12 - Jun 16 with 1467 views | Zx1988 |
| Israel & Iran on 14:10 - Jun 16 by blueasfook |
What a stupid statement. Israel is acting to protect its own interests. Iran is a sponsor of terrorism throughout the world. I sometimes wonder whose side people like you are on. |
Israel is acting to distract the world from Gaza, and it's working. | |
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| Israel & Iran on 14:16 - Jun 16 with 1445 views | blueasfook |
| Israel & Iran on 14:12 - Jun 16 by Zx1988 |
Israel is acting to distract the world from Gaza, and it's working. |
Apologies, bit strongly worded but I think what Israel is doing (in Iran) is right in its long term interests. A nuclear armed Iran would be a major threat for Israel and that's not even factoring in the terrorist groups it fights a proxy war with Israel through. I agree it will take the media attention away from what's happening in Gaza though. Iran have bigger and better rockets to fire back! [Post edited 16 Jun 14:17]
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| Israel & Iran on 14:18 - Jun 16 with 1430 views | hype313 |
Funny how we had no enemies in the ME before 1948. |  |
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| Israel & Iran on 16:00 - Jun 16 with 1314 views | Radlett_blue |
| Israel & Iran on 14:16 - Jun 16 by blueasfook |
Apologies, bit strongly worded but I think what Israel is doing (in Iran) is right in its long term interests. A nuclear armed Iran would be a major threat for Israel and that's not even factoring in the terrorist groups it fights a proxy war with Israel through. I agree it will take the media attention away from what's happening in Gaza though. Iran have bigger and better rockets to fire back! [Post edited 16 Jun 14:17]
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Armed with American technology, Israel could probably obliterate most of Iran if the Americans allowed them to do so. Many Americans still regard Iran as the "great Satan" & a lot of reasonable people would be fairly happy if the Iranian theocracy was obliterated & it might be convenient for the USA if they used Israel as their proxy to do so.
However, turning Iran into yet an other failed state would be very dangerous as it would be entirely unpredictable what sort of leadership would emerge in its place. I'll bet anyone that it won;t be a liberal, western-style democracy.
So , my guess is that with Iran on the verge of producing nuclear weapons, Israel felt it essential to neutralise Iran's military machine, along with creating a chance of Iranian regime change. |  |
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| Israel & Iran on 16:16 - Jun 16 with 1262 views | DJR |
| Israel & Iran on 14:12 - Jun 16 by Zx1988 |
Israel is acting to distract the world from Gaza, and it's working. |
There may be other motives.
Haaretz had been reporting last week that the Netanyahu government was on the brink of collapse because some Haredi MKs were proposing to bring down the coalition in view of their objections to the draft of Haredi men.
That particular issue has obviously now gone away. [Post edited 16 Jun 17:04]
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| Israel & Iran on 16:21 - Jun 16 with 1260 views | blueasfook |
| Israel & Iran on 16:00 - Jun 16 by Radlett_blue |
Armed with American technology, Israel could probably obliterate most of Iran if the Americans allowed them to do so. Many Americans still regard Iran as the "great Satan" & a lot of reasonable people would be fairly happy if the Iranian theocracy was obliterated & it might be convenient for the USA if they used Israel as their proxy to do so.
However, turning Iran into yet an other failed state would be very dangerous as it would be entirely unpredictable what sort of leadership would emerge in its place. I'll bet anyone that it won;t be a liberal, western-style democracy.
So , my guess is that with Iran on the verge of producing nuclear weapons, Israel felt it essential to neutralise Iran's military machine, along with creating a chance of Iranian regime change. |
Iran, Palestine, Syria, Afghanistan all essentially run by terrorists. I hope Israel achieve their aim of bring down the Iranian govt. The crimes they commit against their own people and the widespread internal protests they've had suggest it wouldn't take too much to provoke a national uprising there if the leadership could be weakened. | |
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| Israel & Iran on 16:35 - Jun 16 with 1202 views | Radlett_blue |
| Israel & Iran on 16:21 - Jun 16 by blueasfook |
Iran, Palestine, Syria, Afghanistan all essentially run by terrorists. I hope Israel achieve their aim of bring down the Iranian govt. The crimes they commit against their own people and the widespread internal protests they've had suggest it wouldn't take too much to provoke a national uprising there if the leadership could be weakened. |
There are lot of metropolitan, educated, liberal Iranians who have access to independent media & they abhor the current regime. However, the uneducated, rural poor vote for the religious fundamentalists. | |
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| Israel & Iran on 16:39 - Jun 16 with 1187 views | blueasfook |
| Israel & Iran on 16:35 - Jun 16 by Radlett_blue |
There are lot of metropolitan, educated, liberal Iranians who have access to independent media & they abhor the current regime. However, the uneducated, rural poor vote for the religious fundamentalists. |
Yes, from the protests I've seen reported on, it seems to be the educated classes who are protesting. Sounds like Trump's America. I suspect they campaign on nationalism and "Make Iran Great Again"! | |
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| Israel & Iran on 17:12 - Jun 16 with 1107 views | Bigalhunter |
| Israel & Iran on 16:35 - Jun 16 by Radlett_blue |
There are lot of metropolitan, educated, liberal Iranians who have access to independent media & they abhor the current regime. However, the uneducated, rural poor vote for the religious fundamentalists. |
Mirrors the uneducated, poor voters who’ve latched on to Farage’s lot over here. |  |
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| Israel & Iran on 17:26 - Jun 16 with 1090 views | NthQldITFC |
| Israel & Iran on 14:16 - Jun 16 by blueasfook |
Apologies, bit strongly worded but I think what Israel is doing (in Iran) is right in its long term interests. A nuclear armed Iran would be a major threat for Israel and that's not even factoring in the terrorist groups it fights a proxy war with Israel through. I agree it will take the media attention away from what's happening in Gaza though. Iran have bigger and better rockets to fire back! [Post edited 16 Jun 14:17]
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In the same way that a nuclear armed Israel is categorically and obviously right now a direct and major threat for Iran, Gaza, the West Bank and any number of other peoples.
If it's just my dog's biggest; my dog wins and there's no equivalence, there's not really any point talking about it. |  |
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| Israel & Iran on 17:41 - Jun 16 with 1068 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Israel & Iran on 14:10 - Jun 16 by blueasfook |
What a stupid statement. Israel is acting to protect its own interests. Iran is a sponsor of terrorism throughout the world. I sometimes wonder whose side people like you are on. |
That’s probably a correct answer to a different question. The poster was asking about Israel/Palestine not Israel/Iran.
Agree that it’s not linked though (in either case). The Trump/Epstein links have been long known. As has his references to young girls and the sexual assault cases he’s faced (which are not straightforward, as some were settled, some seem an attempt to honey trap and some he’s been found guilty). None of that has stopped him, so I doubt he needs distractions for any of that now. |  |
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| Israel & Iran on 17:45 - Jun 16 with 1062 views | Radlett_blue |
| Israel & Iran on 17:26 - Jun 16 by NthQldITFC |
In the same way that a nuclear armed Israel is categorically and obviously right now a direct and major threat for Iran, Gaza, the West Bank and any number of other peoples.
If it's just my dog's biggest; my dog wins and there's no equivalence, there's not really any point talking about it. |
I disagree. Whatever one's view on the rights & wrongs of the formation of Israel (and its religious fundamentalists are every bit as nutty as extreme Islamists) the country has long been surrounded by its sworn enemies, many of whom refuse to recognise its right to exist. | |
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| Israel & Iran on 18:04 - Jun 16 with 1005 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Israel & Iran on 17:45 - Jun 16 by Radlett_blue |
I disagree. Whatever one's view on the rights & wrongs of the formation of Israel (and its religious fundamentalists are every bit as nutty as extreme Islamists) the country has long been surrounded by its sworn enemies, many of whom refuse to recognise its right to exist. |
Yep. It’s not called Iran’s Ring of Fire for nothing. | |
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| Israel & Iran on 19:05 - Jun 16 with 888 views | DJR |
This from John Crace in the Guardian made me laugh.
It was late into the night. The phone rang in the prime minister’s residence in Jerusalem. Benjamin Netanyahu stretched out an arm to take the call.
“Yes.”
“Hi Bibi, it’s Ali.”
“Ali who?”
“Ayatollah Ali Khamenei … I just wondered whether you had heard the latest – Keir Starmer has made an intervention.”
“Not THE Keir Starmer?”
“The very same. The prime minister of the United Kingdom. He has called on both of us to de-escalate hostilities. To look for a diplomatic solution. Not just that, but the British foreign secretary will be making a statement to the British parliament later on today to demand restraint. To bring the Middle East back from the edge.”
Wow,” said Bibi. “That rather changes everything. When Keir speaks the world listens.”
Or maybe that’s not quite the way international diplomacy works in the Middle-East. Right now, it doesn’t appear that Israel or Iran are listening to anyone. Not even the US. Then again, it’s quite hard to follow what Donald Trump has to say about the conflict as he regularly contradicts himself.
Yet Starmer continues to call for de-escalation. Mainly to make himself feel better. We all know that the UK has no real influence, but Keir feels he has to say something and he can’t very well say he’s not that bothered. A prime minister has to be prime ministerial. A united front and all that. | | | |
| Israel & Iran on 19:21 - Jun 16 with 850 views | J2BLUE |
| Israel & Iran on 19:05 - Jun 16 by DJR |
This from John Crace in the Guardian made me laugh.
It was late into the night. The phone rang in the prime minister’s residence in Jerusalem. Benjamin Netanyahu stretched out an arm to take the call.
“Yes.”
“Hi Bibi, it’s Ali.”
“Ali who?”
“Ayatollah Ali Khamenei … I just wondered whether you had heard the latest – Keir Starmer has made an intervention.”
“Not THE Keir Starmer?”
“The very same. The prime minister of the United Kingdom. He has called on both of us to de-escalate hostilities. To look for a diplomatic solution. Not just that, but the British foreign secretary will be making a statement to the British parliament later on today to demand restraint. To bring the Middle East back from the edge.”
Wow,” said Bibi. “That rather changes everything. When Keir speaks the world listens.”
Or maybe that’s not quite the way international diplomacy works in the Middle-East. Right now, it doesn’t appear that Israel or Iran are listening to anyone. Not even the US. Then again, it’s quite hard to follow what Donald Trump has to say about the conflict as he regularly contradicts himself.
Yet Starmer continues to call for de-escalation. Mainly to make himself feel better. We all know that the UK has no real influence, but Keir feels he has to say something and he can’t very well say he’s not that bothered. A prime minister has to be prime ministerial. A united front and all that. |
Really fed up with people talking down the country. I realise i'm setting myself up for some hilarious retort from one of the board muppets but the country is not some powerless backwater. It's no surprise the Guardian, or you, the new leftie alliance's propaganda man are trying to make it out to be that way though. |  |
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| Israel & Iran on 19:55 - Jun 16 with 756 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Israel & Iran on 19:21 - Jun 16 by J2BLUE |
Really fed up with people talking down the country. I realise i'm setting myself up for some hilarious retort from one of the board muppets but the country is not some powerless backwater. It's no surprise the Guardian, or you, the new leftie alliance's propaganda man are trying to make it out to be that way though. |
No need for hilarious replies you've done all the hard miles yourself. |  |
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| Israel & Iran on 20:08 - Jun 16 with 717 views | J2BLUE |
| Israel & Iran on 19:55 - Jun 16 by BanksterDebtSlave |
No need for hilarious replies you've done all the hard miles yourself. |
In some alternate universe Corbyn is waving his Palestine flag and calling for Ukraine to surrender | |
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| Israel & Iran on 20:14 - Jun 16 with 691 views | DJR |
| Israel & Iran on 19:21 - Jun 16 by J2BLUE |
Really fed up with people talking down the country. I realise i'm setting myself up for some hilarious retort from one of the board muppets but the country is not some powerless backwater. It's no surprise the Guardian, or you, the new leftie alliance's propaganda man are trying to make it out to be that way though. |
It's political satire, but there is a kernel of truth in the sense that Western leaders calling for restraint are whistling in the dark.
As it is, John Crace took the piss out of the Tories, and he's doing the same to Labour. It's his job.
And whether he takes the piss out of the Tories or Labour, I tend to find it funny, just as I do Private Eye, and my politics have nothing to do with it.
I might add that I wasn't quite sure if you were calling me the new leftie alliance's propaganda man but, if you were, I am not sure why you would do that as I speak for no one but myself. [Post edited 16 Jun 20:40]
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| Israel & Iran on 20:22 - Jun 16 with 664 views | Leaky |
| Israel & Iran on 17:12 - Jun 16 by Bigalhunter |
Mirrors the uneducated, poor voters who’ve latched on to Farage’s lot over here. |
Think your wrong there, some very well educated people in mt area are pro Reform. |  | | |
| Israel & Iran on 20:36 - Jun 16 with 621 views | NthQldITFC |
| Israel & Iran on 20:22 - Jun 16 by Leaky |
Think your wrong there, some very well educated people in mt area are pro Reform. |
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| Israel & Iran on 20:36 - Jun 16 with 615 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Israel & Iran on 20:08 - Jun 16 by J2BLUE |
In some alternate universe Corbyn is waving his Palestine flag and calling for Ukraine to surrender |
You're nailing this! | |
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| Israel & Iran on 20:40 - Jun 16 with 592 views | J2BLUE |
Cheers mate. Means a lot from a member of the sixth form debate club. | |
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