| Fair play to the BBC, actually sticking up for a news presenter. 15:29 - Jul 2 with 4580 views | SitfcB |
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| Fair play to the BBC, actually sticking up for a news presenter. on 18:16 - Jul 2 with 606 views | Trequartista |
| Fair play to the BBC, actually sticking up for a news presenter. on 18:03 - Jul 2 by Dubtractor |
Yep.
Incidents like this (the original script and the reaction to the correction) infuriate me. There are so many hugely important issues to address through EDI (DEI) initiatives, but this sort of incident just plays into the narrative from certain groups that it's all just woke nonsense. |
A valid point, but I think the face she pulled indicated she felt the phrase was demeaning to women, rather than indicating an anti-woke stance. If it was GB News they'd be going to town on it, but it was a mild-mannered BBC newsreader. |  |
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| Fair play to the BBC, actually sticking up for a news presenter. on 18:20 - Jul 2 with 579 views | Trequartista |
| Fair play to the BBC, actually sticking up for a news presenter. on 18:16 - Jul 2 by positivity |
trans men who haven't had surgery can (though for the vast majority it'd be horrific to even think about it!)
it's a vanishly small subset of a minority, but if the choice is offending one person in a billion or zero people in a billion, who does it hurt by being polite to the one? can't see why anyone would be hurt by the use of "people" |
For the purposes of biology, they are not men. | |
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| Fair play to the BBC, actually sticking up for a news presenter. on 18:22 - Jul 2 with 546 views | lowhouseblue |
| Fair play to the BBC, actually sticking up for a news presenter. on 18:20 - Jul 2 by Trequartista |
For the purposes of biology, they are not men. |
and the biological proof of that is being pregnant. |  |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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| Fair play to the BBC, actually sticking up for a news presenter. on 18:22 - Jul 2 with 560 views | bartyg |
Isn't the culture war so dull? How do people online proclaiming this as some victory not feel shame about how they spend their days |  | | |
| Fair play to the BBC, actually sticking up for a news presenter. on 18:25 - Jul 2 with 530 views | Illinoisblue |
| Fair play to the BBC, actually sticking up for a news presenter. on 18:16 - Jul 2 by positivity |
trans men who haven't had surgery can (though for the vast majority it'd be horrific to even think about it!)
it's a vanishly small subset of a minority, but if the choice is offending one person in a billion or zero people in a billion, who does it hurt by being polite to the one? can't see why anyone would be hurt by the use of "people" |
It’s not about being polite or hurting feelings; it’s about facts and truth. |  |
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| Fair play to the BBC, actually sticking up for a news presenter. on 18:27 - Jul 2 with 501 views | lowhouseblue |
| Fair play to the BBC, actually sticking up for a news presenter. on 18:22 - Jul 2 by bartyg |
Isn't the culture war so dull? How do people online proclaiming this as some victory not feel shame about how they spend their days |
but then wouldn't it be even duller if 100% of your posts were on the topic? since this is the topic that has inspired you to press finger tips to keyboard it's a shame you clearly share. [Post edited 2 Jul 18:28]
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| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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| Fair play to the BBC, actually sticking up for a news presenter. on 18:27 - Jul 2 with 508 views | Ryorry |
| Fair play to the BBC, actually sticking up for a news presenter. on 16:08 - Jul 2 by Trequartista |
Ha ha love it. Good for her. |
In a way I kind of agree, but as her correction actually came out of her mouth, I think it was misguided, as it implied the health warning applied to all women, not just those who are pregnant, so was actually a bit misleading (although the vast majority probably knew what she meant, there’s an obligation by newscasters to remain 100% clear I think). [Post edited 2 Jul 18:29]
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| Fair play to the BBC, actually sticking up for a news presenter. on 18:28 - Jul 2 with 496 views | positivity |
| Fair play to the BBC, actually sticking up for a news presenter. on 18:25 - Jul 2 by Illinoisblue |
It’s not about being polite or hurting feelings; it’s about facts and truth. |
"people" is facts and "people" is truth, genuinely can't see the problem!
(personally, i wouldn't be offended by "women" either) |  |
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| Fair play to the BBC, actually sticking up for a news presenter. on 18:29 - Jul 2 with 471 views | bartyg |
| Fair play to the BBC, actually sticking up for a news presenter. on 18:27 - Jul 2 by lowhouseblue |
but then wouldn't it be even duller if 100% of your posts were on the topic? since this is the topic that has inspired you to press finger tips to keyboard it's a shame you clearly share. [Post edited 2 Jul 18:28]
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Thanks so much for the warm welcome, happy to be here | | | |
| Fair play to the BBC, actually sticking up for a news presenter. on 18:30 - Jul 2 with 464 views | positivity |
| Fair play to the BBC, actually sticking up for a news presenter. on 18:20 - Jul 2 by Trequartista |
For the purposes of biology, they are not men. |
for the purposes of biology, they are people too | |
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| Fair play to the BBC, actually sticking up for a news presenter. on 18:31 - Jul 2 with 442 views | lowhouseblue |
| Fair play to the BBC, actually sticking up for a news presenter. on 18:29 - Jul 2 by bartyg |
Thanks so much for the warm welcome, happy to be here |
so you post in order to snipe at others and then get sarky when there's a response in kind. good start! | |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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| Fair play to the BBC, actually sticking up for a news presenter. on 18:34 - Jul 2 with 426 views | positivity |
| Fair play to the BBC, actually sticking up for a news presenter. on 18:29 - Jul 2 by bartyg |
Thanks so much for the warm welcome, happy to be here |
welcome to the forum, don't let lowhouse bother you(if you click on a poster's name, you get the opportunity to ignore them, helps in this case!) [Post edited 2 Jul 18:38]
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| Fair play to the BBC, actually sticking up for a news presenter. on 18:35 - Jul 2 with 419 views | Trequartista |
| Fair play to the BBC, actually sticking up for a news presenter. on 18:30 - Jul 2 by positivity |
for the purposes of biology, they are people too |
sure but you've jumped back to what the newsreader said, you'd made a subsequent point about trans men being pregnant. | |
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| Fair play to the BBC, actually sticking up for a news presenter. on 18:37 - Jul 2 with 400 views | lowhouseblue |
| Fair play to the BBC, actually sticking up for a news presenter. on 18:30 - Jul 2 by positivity |
for the purposes of biology, they are people too |
but the point is that women's life experience is partly shaped by biology. adolescence, puberty, menstruation, fear of pregnancy, miscarriage, pregnancy, menopause, etc etc are all biological realities for women (clearly accepting that there is variation) and biology forms a significant part of the experience in life for most. to pretend that this happens to 'people' rather than to 'women' denies that biological reality and the life experience of women, and is seen by many as therefore insulting. 'people' do not go through these things, biological women do. | |
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| Fair play to the BBC, actually sticking up for a news presenter. on 18:38 - Jul 2 with 408 views | positivity |
| Fair play to the BBC, actually sticking up for a news presenter. on 18:35 - Jul 2 by Trequartista |
sure but you've jumped back to what the newsreader said, you'd made a subsequent point about trans men being pregnant. |
so, you agree it's fine to say people then? | |
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| Fair play to the BBC, actually sticking up for a news presenter. on 18:45 - Jul 2 with 384 views | Trequartista |
| Fair play to the BBC, actually sticking up for a news presenter. on 18:38 - Jul 2 by positivity |
so, you agree it's fine to say people then? |
Not really, it implies men can be pregnant when they can't. I think women are more likely to be more offended than me, as the newsreader's face suggested. | |
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| Fair play to the BBC, actually sticking up for a news presenter. on 18:46 - Jul 2 with 366 views | Ryorry |
| Fair play to the BBC, actually sticking up for a news presenter. on 18:37 - Jul 2 by lowhouseblue |
but the point is that women's life experience is partly shaped by biology. adolescence, puberty, menstruation, fear of pregnancy, miscarriage, pregnancy, menopause, etc etc are all biological realities for women (clearly accepting that there is variation) and biology forms a significant part of the experience in life for most. to pretend that this happens to 'people' rather than to 'women' denies that biological reality and the life experience of women, and is seen by many as therefore insulting. 'people' do not go through these things, biological women do. |
As a woman, my personal take on that would be “so what?”. It doesn’t impact on me or my life, so If it helps them feel a bit better, good, no problem, I’m not insulted by their not having had to go through the whole “womanhood “process. | |
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| Fair play to the BBC, actually sticking up for a news presenter. on 18:47 - Jul 2 with 364 views | Illinoisblue |
| Fair play to the BBC, actually sticking up for a news presenter. on 18:28 - Jul 2 by positivity |
"people" is facts and "people" is truth, genuinely can't see the problem!
(personally, i wouldn't be offended by "women" either) |
Have we signed any people yet?! | |
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| Fair play to the BBC, actually sticking up for a news presenter. on 18:48 - Jul 2 with 367 views | positivity |
| Fair play to the BBC, actually sticking up for a news presenter. on 18:45 - Jul 2 by Trequartista |
Not really, it implies men can be pregnant when they can't. I think women are more likely to be more offended than me, as the newsreader's face suggested. |
still don't see what's offensive, people is factually correct, so why take offense? | |
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| Fair play to the BBC, actually sticking up for a news presenter. on 18:48 - Jul 2 with 361 views | lowhouseblue |
| Fair play to the BBC, actually sticking up for a news presenter. on 18:45 - Jul 2 by Trequartista |
Not really, it implies men can be pregnant when they can't. I think women are more likely to be more offended than me, as the newsreader's face suggested. |
exactly, it is effectively erasing biological women as a separate and distinctive group. when the subject matter is something that only biological women can do that is misleading as well as insulting. | |
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| Fair play to the BBC, actually sticking up for a news presenter. on 18:50 - Jul 2 with 357 views | MVBlue |
This whole thread has made me realise that the debate here was only prevalent in the social media world and extended on forums, because people wish to type at each other over digital text form where in the past it was a very small number of people not idealogical online posters debating endlessly over minority issues.
The old world was far less debated on minority issues.
Folks typing on their keyboard given a voice. Thats what the modern world has become. |  |
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| Fair play to the BBC, actually sticking up for a news presenter. on 18:51 - Jul 2 with 345 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Fair play to the BBC, actually sticking up for a news presenter. on 18:20 - Jul 2 by Trequartista |
For the purposes of biology, they are not men. |
For the purposes of sex (biology) they are not men, but for the purposes of gender they are.
I’ve never understood why so many people get worked up about this. |  |
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| Fair play to the BBC, actually sticking up for a news presenter. on 18:52 - Jul 2 with 329 views | Trequartista |
| Fair play to the BBC, actually sticking up for a news presenter. on 18:48 - Jul 2 by positivity |
still don't see what's offensive, people is factually correct, so why take offense? |
I have just said why. | |
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| Fair play to the BBC, actually sticking up for a news presenter. on 18:53 - Jul 2 with 323 views | lowhouseblue |
| Fair play to the BBC, actually sticking up for a news presenter. on 18:46 - Jul 2 by Ryorry |
As a woman, my personal take on that would be “so what?”. It doesn’t impact on me or my life, so If it helps them feel a bit better, good, no problem, I’m not insulted by their not having had to go through the whole “womanhood “process. |
everyone is different and i respect your view. it's not the same as a that of a very great many women though. which is fine. | |
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| Fair play to the BBC, actually sticking up for a news presenter. on 18:58 - Jul 2 with 305 views | Trequartista |
| Fair play to the BBC, actually sticking up for a news presenter. on 18:51 - Jul 2 by Swansea_Blue |
For the purposes of sex (biology) they are not men, but for the purposes of gender they are.
I’ve never understood why so many people get worked up about this. |
The topic was pregnancy so surely the former applies. | |
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