| Sam Morsy 17:54 - Aug 9 with 3183 views | quad |
We appear to not be willing to sell Broadhead for a fee rumoured to be in the region of 7 million YET and holding out for a higher transfer fee for Omari (maybe 40 mill?)
Understandable considering the loss of quality players such as Delap, Morsy, Axel and Burgess which has left our squad short in certain areas, especially in CM and striker. AAH is fine as 3rd choice IMO (wish Akpom would sign soon as making me anxious).
Which begs the question, why was Morsy allowed to leave so easily? I think that he still had a year left on his contract and I don't think we even received a fee for him.
Obviously I've got nothing but admiration for Morsy and everything he did for the club and everything he helped us achieve, however it seems a bit foolish of the club to allow him to go until we had more CM signings in place, even with Cajuste back on loan.
Taylor does not appear to be good enough, not sure if Humphreys is a decent enough 3rd CM or not. Otherwise it just leaves us with Cajuste and Matusiwa which surely isn't going to be enough. My only thought is that the club thought that the signing of HH was nailed on, in which case it's backfired big time IMO.
So my question is why has Morsy been treated differently to other players? |  | | |  |
| Sam Morsy on 18:37 - Aug 9 with 436 views | pointofblue |
| Sam Morsy on 18:33 - Aug 9 by Wakh |
ITFC being light in midfield is not Sam's issue. He had offers and wanted to go. There is little we can do about that. Its happened, we move on, and the challenge now for the likes of MA is respond to it. |
Of course we could - it's not as though he was out of contract. We tell him he has to stay until we sort something out. As the OP says, we're seemingly doing this with Broadhead and we're playing hardball with clubs after Hutchinson. | |
| |
| Sam Morsy on 18:40 - Aug 9 with 436 views | blueoutlook |
| Sam Morsy on 18:35 - Aug 9 by ArnieM |
I think the problem rests with Town possibly feeling very confident of securing Hackney, and that hasn't happened.
Have we orger MF targets we are chasing, because I dont think we could have offerered him anymore than we have already done. The simple truth may well be he only wants a PL club and nothing else. |
Is Hackney a Morsey though ? I don’t think so. I can’t see Azor being a Morsy type either. We need a guy who can stamp their mark in the middle. Sam could so could Mass. |  | | |
| Sam Morsy on 18:40 - Aug 9 with 430 views | positivity |
| Sam Morsy on 18:23 - Aug 9 by blueoutlook |
Young is reportedly on £50k a week I read somewhere. Sammy is 5 years younger. I’m sure something could have been done. He said he wasn’t expecting to leave this season himself. Luongo could do a job too and as for being eased out, I don’t see too many new midfield signings coming as yet. As it stands we are well weak in this department. Strange letting them both go with no cover sorted. [Post edited 9 Aug 18:27]
|
it's not august 31st so you can't say that there's no more midfield signings coming in, it's a 46 game season, not just last night.
as for young being 40, he was fitter for more prem games than a lot of players in their twenties, so no concerns on a one year deal. i very much doubt we're paying young more than morsy was getting (and a fraction of what kuwait are giving him!) | |
| |
| Sam Morsy on 18:42 - Aug 9 with 413 views | positivity |
| Sam Morsy on 18:33 - Aug 9 by ronnyd |
I see that Loungo managed to get five minutes today.
Just realised i've spelt his name wrong, doh. Sorry Mass. [Post edited 9 Aug 21:55]
|
yes, in a team with less ambitions than us (and against much weaker opposition ;) ) | |
| |
| Sam Morsy on 18:43 - Aug 9 with 401 views | blueoutlook |
| Sam Morsy on 18:40 - Aug 9 by positivity |
it's not august 31st so you can't say that there's no more midfield signings coming in, it's a 46 game season, not just last night.
as for young being 40, he was fitter for more prem games than a lot of players in their twenties, so no concerns on a one year deal. i very much doubt we're paying young more than morsy was getting (and a fraction of what kuwait are giving him!) |
Thing is he had a year left. No need to let him go whilst we are short of midfielders. Yes we still have a few weeks to find some but by then we could be really struggling because the midfield as it stands is weak as water. | | | |
| Sam Morsy on 18:44 - Aug 9 with 393 views | quad |
| Sam Morsy on 18:35 - Aug 9 by ArnieM |
I think the problem rests with Town possibly feeling very confident of securing Hackney, and that hasn't happened.
Have we orger MF targets we are chasing, because I dont think we could have offerered him anymore than we have already done. The simple truth may well be he only wants a PL club and nothing else. |
That's what I think as well.
Which wouldn't be so bad, except there doesn't seem to be other players that come anywhere near to being as good as him, who are likely to want to come here.
Happy to be proved wrong on that. | | | |
| Sam Morsy on 18:46 - Aug 9 with 368 views | positivity |
| Sam Morsy on 18:43 - Aug 9 by blueoutlook |
Thing is he had a year left. No need to let him go whilst we are short of midfielders. Yes we still have a few weeks to find some but by then we could be really struggling because the midfield as it stands is weak as water. |
don't write off matusiwa after an hour or so of a tricky debut away at the 3rd favourites, very well regarded in the game, and am sure he'll come good, as morsy did after a shaky start. | |
| |
| Sam Morsy on 18:48 - Aug 9 with 354 views | Wakh |
| Sam Morsy on 18:37 - Aug 9 by pointofblue |
Of course we could - it's not as though he was out of contract. We tell him he has to stay until we sort something out. As the OP says, we're seemingly doing this with Broadhead and we're playing hardball with clubs after Hutchinson. |
No. Completely different. Firstly we don't live in the 90's anymore. We cant keep players against their will and with the sums of money involved players are very reluctant to risk injury and jeopardise the move they desire. There is a bit I should add but I won't.
Hutchinson is different, we have received a substantial bid and are playing hardball to maximise his value. I would say he has already gone in all but confirmation. | | | |
Login to get fewer ads
| Sam Morsy on 18:52 - Aug 9 with 329 views | Wickets |
| Sam Morsy on 17:59 - Aug 9 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Because he wanted a longer deal on good money when he was likely going to be phased out of our starting 11. |
And you know this how ? |  | | |
| Sam Morsy on 18:53 - Aug 9 with 323 views | blueoutlook |
| Sam Morsy on 18:46 - Aug 9 by positivity |
don't write off matusiwa after an hour or so of a tricky debut away at the 3rd favourites, very well regarded in the game, and am sure he'll come good, as morsy did after a shaky start. |
I’m not. In fact I think he will be a good signing. I’m not sure he is in the Morsy mould though. | | | |
| Sam Morsy on 18:56 - Aug 9 with 299 views | positivity |
| Sam Morsy on 18:53 - Aug 9 by blueoutlook |
I’m not. In fact I think he will be a good signing. I’m not sure he is in the Morsy mould though. |
time will tell, seems to have many of the same qualities (even got the obligatory yellow card!).
the main thing he currently lacks is nous about the english game, which will come | |
| |
| Sam Morsy on 18:57 - Aug 9 with 294 views | Wickets |
| Sam Morsy on 18:14 - Aug 9 by blueoutlook |
I find it strange we can offer Young god knows what at 40, yet couldn’t offer Sammy anything. Letting him and Luongo go as it currently stands is utterly baffling. One of those should have still been here and looking at last night both could have still done a job and probably bossed that midfield. |
I'm sure we did offer him something but he probably turned it down as lots more money available to him is what I think probably happened. | | | |
| Sam Morsy on 18:59 - Aug 9 with 287 views | Churchman |
| Sam Morsy on 18:13 - Aug 9 by Wakh |
Because he wanted to go. |
People forget that the player wanted to go.
They also ignore the fact that Morsy tends to be up for a new challenge every three or four years. Lastly, he (his prerogative) wanted a longer contract than we were prepared to offer a player who is not as good as he was and will not be able to play in the Premier, should we improve considerably and get there.
He has not signed for a team in the Middle East because he likes the weather. He has gone because two years of that £ is something he couldn’t refuse. And who could in his position.
I wish he’d wanted to stay but understand why he wanted to go - the club did the right thing in letting him go without a fee, despite it possibly making the difference between challenging or not.
Take your pick from the club cannot afford a replacement, no good at recruitment, find a replacement, persuade somebody to move to the backwater that is Suffolk (external perception, not mine as East Anglia is my country) - all these scenarios are immaterial to Sam’s situation.
We already have Hutchinson, Broadhead and Woolfenden wanting away and that’ll harm us significantly. I can’t think that forcing Morsy to stay, however good a professional he is, could have been anything but wrong. [Post edited 9 Aug 23:57]
|  | | |
| Sam Morsy on 18:59 - Aug 9 with 285 views | JammyDodgerrr |
| Sam Morsy on 18:14 - Aug 9 by blueoutlook |
I find it strange we can offer Young god knows what at 40, yet couldn’t offer Sammy anything. Letting him and Luongo go as it currently stands is utterly baffling. One of those should have still been here and looking at last night both could have still done a job and probably bossed that midfield. |
We would've offered him something. He wanted longer and we did not. Quite simple. Neither of those two were getting major game time this season and we'd already signed the player that would displace Morsy.
It's different to Broadhead because he very much is in the plans and we are short on forwards. I don't really see the correlation. |  |
| |
| Sam Morsy on 18:59 - Aug 9 with 279 views | pointofblue |
| Sam Morsy on 18:48 - Aug 9 by Wakh |
No. Completely different. Firstly we don't live in the 90's anymore. We cant keep players against their will and with the sums of money involved players are very reluctant to risk injury and jeopardise the move they desire. There is a bit I should add but I won't.
Hutchinson is different, we have received a substantial bid and are playing hardball to maximise his value. I would say he has already gone in all but confirmation. |
What about Broadhead? By the sounds of it, we're happy to let him go for £7.5m but refusing to let him go until we bring someone in. He came off the bench last night.
So why one rule for one and one for another? | |
| |
| Sam Morsy on 19:03 - Aug 9 with 281 views | quad |
| Sam Morsy on 18:48 - Aug 9 by Wakh |
No. Completely different. Firstly we don't live in the 90's anymore. We cant keep players against their will and with the sums of money involved players are very reluctant to risk injury and jeopardise the move they desire. There is a bit I should add but I won't.
Hutchinson is different, we have received a substantial bid and are playing hardball to maximise his value. I would say he has already gone in all but confirmation. |
Maybe Hutchinson is different, I'll give you that.
But Broadhead isn't, we've been offered 7 million which is surely his maximum, and he doesn't want to be here. | | | |
| Sam Morsy on 19:08 - Aug 9 with 254 views | Mark |
From the club's perspective I suppose they wanted to save Morsy's wages to pay a new player, and to free up a place in the squad. I don't think we should have given him a new deal at his age, when he already had a year left on his contract.
It is annoying that we let him go because the offer to Sam from Kuwait was so lucrative, yet the wealth of the club from the Middle East could not extend to paying us a transfer fee. [Post edited 9 Aug 19:10]
|  | | |
| Sam Morsy on 19:10 - Aug 9 with 246 views | Wakh |
| Sam Morsy on 18:59 - Aug 9 by pointofblue |
What about Broadhead? By the sounds of it, we're happy to let him go for £7.5m but refusing to let him go until we bring someone in. He came off the bench last night.
So why one rule for one and one for another? |
He did indeed. I didn't mention Broadhead for a reason. What i will say however, is that every situation is different. There is little similarity between Broadhead's potential move to Wrexham and Morsey's desire to move on. | | | |
| Sam Morsy on 19:12 - Aug 9 with 241 views | LeoMuff |
| Sam Morsy on 19:03 - Aug 9 by quad |
Maybe Hutchinson is different, I'll give you that.
But Broadhead isn't, we've been offered 7 million which is surely his maximum, and he doesn't want to be here. |
Exactly what is happening with Broady is exactly how the club should have handled Sam, we are happy for you to go but have to have covered your replacement first.
It seems bizarre |  |
| |
| Sam Morsy on 19:23 - Aug 9 with 216 views | pointofblue |
| Sam Morsy on 19:10 - Aug 9 by Wakh |
He did indeed. I didn't mention Broadhead for a reason. What i will say however, is that every situation is different. There is little similarity between Broadhead's potential move to Wrexham and Morsey's desire to move on. |
In what sense? No one is saying Morsy couldn't or shouldn't move on - just let us have cover in before he does. We had one central midfielder who has appeared in three or more Premier League/Championship games in the squad yesterday: Taylor. | |
| |
| Sam Morsy on 19:24 - Aug 9 with 219 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Sam Morsy on 18:57 - Aug 9 by Wickets |
I'm sure we did offer him something but he probably turned it down as lots more money available to him is what I think probably happened. |
Because both sides said publicly they couldn’t reach an agreement. I very much doubt he was asking a cheap deal with no extension considering he was already under contract for the season?
It’s obvious we needed to try and upgrade and get younger in there. Sure he would have been great for a few months now but pretty short sighted to give him decent money through 2027-28.
[Post edited 9 Aug 19:26]
|  |
| |
| Sam Morsy on 19:39 - Aug 9 with 196 views | Wakh |
| Sam Morsy on 19:23 - Aug 9 by pointofblue |
In what sense? No one is saying Morsy couldn't or shouldn't move on - just let us have cover in before he does. We had one central midfielder who has appeared in three or more Premier League/Championship games in the squad yesterday: Taylor. |
In every sense: Contract negotiations are not a one size fits all.
I am frustrated with them often, albeit in a different sport. Even with much lesser sums of money involved, but the frustrations are the same as are the mindsets of the players.
In my world. If I had player who plays most games, is at the end of his career, earns 40k per year, but is suddenly offered £120 k per year in a place he wants to move to for a life experience (Usually France in my world not Kuwait) I cannot keep that player. If I told him to honour his contract then he would be keen to do everything he can to reduce any risk or might even refuse. The disruption and risk to all parties (including the squad) is never worth It. You also would develop a negative reputation as a coach/manager, as player development is a key recruitment tool.
If I had player B who is much younger, has a year left on his contract (We don’t have transfer fees) currently earns 40k per year and his offer is to return to his boyhood club/near home for a similar(ish) salary then the risk to him is minimal. Without so much of a financial risk i can discuss it, maybe compromise and the integrity might benefit him in the future; he might want to come back and play for me again, who knows, he is young enough.
Every case is different. I am not suggesting any of this applies to Broadhead but his situation is clearly very different to Sam's. Sam is also very committed to his faith (I have met him) and i can see how moving to Kuwait would solidify that. | | | |
| Sam Morsy on 19:45 - Aug 9 with 171 views | pointofblue |
| Sam Morsy on 19:39 - Aug 9 by Wakh |
In every sense: Contract negotiations are not a one size fits all.
I am frustrated with them often, albeit in a different sport. Even with much lesser sums of money involved, but the frustrations are the same as are the mindsets of the players.
In my world. If I had player who plays most games, is at the end of his career, earns 40k per year, but is suddenly offered £120 k per year in a place he wants to move to for a life experience (Usually France in my world not Kuwait) I cannot keep that player. If I told him to honour his contract then he would be keen to do everything he can to reduce any risk or might even refuse. The disruption and risk to all parties (including the squad) is never worth It. You also would develop a negative reputation as a coach/manager, as player development is a key recruitment tool.
If I had player B who is much younger, has a year left on his contract (We don’t have transfer fees) currently earns 40k per year and his offer is to return to his boyhood club/near home for a similar(ish) salary then the risk to him is minimal. Without so much of a financial risk i can discuss it, maybe compromise and the integrity might benefit him in the future; he might want to come back and play for me again, who knows, he is young enough.
Every case is different. I am not suggesting any of this applies to Broadhead but his situation is clearly very different to Sam's. Sam is also very committed to his faith (I have met him) and i can see how moving to Kuwait would solidify that. |
Whilst I apprecaite your argument, I think football is a very unusual beast compared to the rest fot he working world. This may change if the latest court case brought against FIFA is successful.
I can see the argument there is equal risk for Town as well as Broadhead but withholding on the deal and playing him. If he picks up an injury, we lose out on a lot of money (relatively speaking) for a player in the last year of his contract, as well as Broadhead's return to Wales from a personal level. In comparison, the risk with Morsy's is all on him. We weren't looking to make something on him, and were happy enough for him to move on. Saying that, Morsy strikes me as someone who would also understand the club's position and the need to have strength in depth heading into the season. | |
| |
| Sam Morsy on 19:50 - Aug 9 with 159 views | Nutkins_Return |
| Sam Morsy on 18:15 - Aug 9 by LeoMuff |
None of that matters - he was paid handsomely here, it was negligent to let him go without replacements in the door, it cost us last night and depending on how fit Jens is and how quickly we get replacements in may well cost us further.
It seems over generous and naive, not sure many other clubs would leave themselves so exposed. |
I can't think of a worse scenario then, after all he has done for our football club, digging our heels in and having Morsy falling out with the club when he has a once in a lifetime opportunity. It just wouldn't have been the right thing to do. I fully respect the decision we took and it should focus minds on getting the right players in. In theory it should be a slight negative for a few games but on the pitch we had to make the transition.
I do agree for short term it's not ideal. But it was still the right thing. His replacement is int he building. We now have Jens and we will get one more. | |
| |
| Sam Morsy on 19:52 - Aug 9 with 150 views | Trequartista |
| Sam Morsy on 18:14 - Aug 9 by blueoutlook |
I find it strange we can offer Young god knows what at 40, yet couldn’t offer Sammy anything. Letting him and Luongo go as it currently stands is utterly baffling. One of those should have still been here and looking at last night both could have still done a job and probably bossed that midfield. |
We've offered Young a one-year-deal the same as what Morsy had left. |  |
| |
| |
By continuing to use the site, you agree to our use of cookies and to abide by our Terms and Conditions.
