| BBC caves in to the right again on 09:51 - Aug 15 with 663 views | Herbivore |
| BBC caves in to the right again on 09:49 - Aug 15 by BlueForYou |
Sky News do a pretty good job at it. |
Sorry, Sky News is left wing now? |  |
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| BBC caves in to the right again on 09:54 - Aug 15 with 652 views | Blueschev |
| BBC caves in to the right again on 09:51 - Aug 15 by Herbivore |
Sorry, Sky News is left wing now? |
I saw a video clip of Ben Shapiro accusing Andrew Neil of being a leftist. That's the world some people live in now. |  | | |
| BBC caves in to the right again on 10:15 - Aug 15 with 633 views | Trequartista |
| BBC caves in to the right again on 16:46 - Aug 14 by Rimsy |
You can't get much more left wing than the BBC. To accuse them of any right wing bias is laughable. |
It's a bit more nuanced than that. Certainly historically it has been left-wing but in recent times there have been more right-leaning management installed to try to show they are unbiased in the face of potentially losing the licence fee. So you've ended up with this kind of hybrid organisation that doesn't really know where its place is anymore. |  |
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| BBC caves in to the right again on 15:50 - Aug 15 with 539 views | HotShotHamish |
| BBC caves in to the right again on 16:25 - Aug 14 by bartyg |
"Having a negative opinion of some people who were born in a different country does not make you xenophobic"
So, er, yes it does |
You are deluded if you actually believe what you posted.
For example
I have a negative opinion of the Taliban - does that make me xenophobic
Most people had a negative opinion of the Nazi's (the real ones) - were they all xenophobic?
Your argument is facile
Your point is totally incorrect |  | | |
| BBC caves in to the right again on 16:16 - Aug 15 with 500 views | leitrimblue |
| BBC caves in to the right again on 15:50 - Aug 15 by HotShotHamish |
You are deluded if you actually believe what you posted.
For example
I have a negative opinion of the Taliban - does that make me xenophobic
Most people had a negative opinion of the Nazi's (the real ones) - were they all xenophobic?
Your argument is facile
Your point is totally incorrect |
Afternoon Hamish, hope all good?
I'm guessing your hatred of the Taliban or the nazis isn't purely down to the country they were born in but more down to their actions?
Hating people purely due to them being from a different country from you, that would be a tad stranger surely? |  | | |
| BBC caves in to the right again on 16:17 - Aug 15 with 497 views | eireblue |
| BBC caves in to the right again on 15:50 - Aug 15 by HotShotHamish |
You are deluded if you actually believe what you posted.
For example
I have a negative opinion of the Taliban - does that make me xenophobic
Most people had a negative opinion of the Nazi's (the real ones) - were they all xenophobic?
Your argument is facile
Your point is totally incorrect |
Which dictionary definition of xenophobia mentions fear of terrorist groups or brutal dictatorships that kill people? |  | | |
| BBC caves in to the right again on 16:24 - Aug 15 with 483 views | Blueschev |
| BBC caves in to the right again on 15:50 - Aug 15 by HotShotHamish |
You are deluded if you actually believe what you posted.
For example
I have a negative opinion of the Taliban - does that make me xenophobic
Most people had a negative opinion of the Nazi's (the real ones) - were they all xenophobic?
Your argument is facile
Your point is totally incorrect |
I don't know anything about these people, but I know their views are backwards because of where they come from. They must therefore be a threat to my family. That is a xenophobic and ignorant stance to take, it's nothing like not liking the Taliban or the Nazi's. | | | |
| BBC caves in to the right again on 16:36 - Aug 15 with 455 views | lowhouseblue |
| BBC caves in to the right again on 09:37 - Aug 15 by Blueschev |
What is the point in debating with somebody who claims that the near on dictionary definition of xenophobia is not xenophobic? Should people afford the same respect to flat earthers or supporters of David Icke? |
what if he was objecting to the group based on some other characteristic than their nationality? what if it's having a large number of young men with no connection to the area and no cultural affiliation housed together with nothing to do and without the consent of the local community? is it possible that you are assuming a meaning which is different from the one he intended? or does the meaning you attach automatically trump everyone else's including his? |  |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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| BBC caves in to the right again on 16:42 - Aug 15 with 425 views | RadioOrwell |
| BBC caves in to the right again on 15:50 - Aug 15 by HotShotHamish |
You are deluded if you actually believe what you posted.
For example
I have a negative opinion of the Taliban - does that make me xenophobic
Most people had a negative opinion of the Nazi's (the real ones) - were they all xenophobic?
Your argument is facile
Your point is totally incorrect |
Still not understanding xenophobia.
You go Hotshot ! |  | | |
| BBC caves in to the right again on 16:45 - Aug 15 with 414 views | eireblue |
| BBC caves in to the right again on 16:36 - Aug 15 by lowhouseblue |
what if he was objecting to the group based on some other characteristic than their nationality? what if it's having a large number of young men with no connection to the area and no cultural affiliation housed together with nothing to do and without the consent of the local community? is it possible that you are assuming a meaning which is different from the one he intended? or does the meaning you attach automatically trump everyone else's including his? |
Then they should use language correctly. | | | |
| BBC caves in to the right again on 16:45 - Aug 15 with 413 views | lowhouseblue |
| BBC caves in to the right again on 16:42 - Aug 15 by RadioOrwell |
Still not understanding xenophobia.
You go Hotshot ! |
so are those spanish people who are campaigning against tourists because they get drunk, act anti-socially, and monopolise public areas xenophobic? or are they objecting to tourists for reasons other than their different nationality? | |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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| BBC caves in to the right again on 16:46 - Aug 15 with 405 views | lowhouseblue |
| BBC caves in to the right again on 16:45 - Aug 15 by eireblue |
Then they should use language correctly. |
who should? what? | |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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| BBC caves in to the right again on 16:50 - Aug 15 with 382 views | Libero |
| BBC caves in to the right again on 16:20 - Aug 14 by HotShotHamish |
It sounds to me like you are part of the problem.
You should be allowed to talk about an issue without being labelled as racist or xenophobic by those who disagree with you. The words used by Jenrick in no way paint him as xenophobic and it is totally correct that there was an apology.
Having a negative opinion of some people who were born in a different country does not make you xenophobic, not racist.
Maybe, just maybe, you are the bigot? It does seem like you are happy to label others who do not share your views and bigotry can work more than one way. |
I don't know if I should laugh or cry at this response.
What a time to be alive. |  | | |
| BBC caves in to the right again on 16:54 - Aug 15 with 360 views | Libero |
| BBC caves in to the right again on 09:37 - Aug 15 by Blueschev |
What is the point in debating with somebody who claims that the near on dictionary definition of xenophobia is not xenophobic? Should people afford the same respect to flat earthers or supporters of David Icke? |
Yep, precisely - it's a total paradox of tolerance.
I'm sorry that people who say nasty thick racist things don't like being told they've said nasty thick racist things, but they *have* said nasty thick racist things -
so maybe they just need to sit with that discomfort and maybe have a little bit of self reflection. [Post edited 15 Aug 16:57]
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| BBC caves in to the right again on 16:56 - Aug 15 with 345 views | Libero |
| BBC caves in to the right again on 15:50 - Aug 15 by HotShotHamish |
You are deluded if you actually believe what you posted.
For example
I have a negative opinion of the Taliban - does that make me xenophobic
Most people had a negative opinion of the Nazi's (the real ones) - were they all xenophobic?
Your argument is facile
Your point is totally incorrect |
Good lord, this guy is on here everyday showing everyone his bare cheeks, it's quite remarkable. | | | |
| BBC caves in to the right again on 17:18 - Aug 15 with 310 views | Blueschev |
| BBC caves in to the right again on 16:45 - Aug 15 by lowhouseblue |
so are those spanish people who are campaigning against tourists because they get drunk, act anti-socially, and monopolise public areas xenophobic? or are they objecting to tourists for reasons other than their different nationality? |
You have just given a legitimate reason for their grievance. I don’t like people being here because I know nothing about them is nothing like I don’t like people getting drunk and wrecking where I live is it. | | | |
| BBC caves in to the right again on 17:23 - Aug 15 with 298 views | Blueschev |
| BBC caves in to the right again on 16:36 - Aug 15 by lowhouseblue |
what if he was objecting to the group based on some other characteristic than their nationality? what if it's having a large number of young men with no connection to the area and no cultural affiliation housed together with nothing to do and without the consent of the local community? is it possible that you are assuming a meaning which is different from the one he intended? or does the meaning you attach automatically trump everyone else's including his? |
Had he said something different to what he actually said then yes, my reaction would most likely be different. Do people have to second guess ignorant comments now just incase the person saying them meant something else? | | | |
| BBC caves in to the right again on 17:38 - Aug 15 with 263 views | lowhouseblue |
| BBC caves in to the right again on 17:18 - Aug 15 by Blueschev |
You have just given a legitimate reason for their grievance. I don’t like people being here because I know nothing about them is nothing like I don’t like people getting drunk and wrecking where I live is it. |
jenrick has given what, in his opinion, is a legitimate reason for his views. he didn't say "I don’t like people being here because I know nothing about them" - that's just you spinning his words to back up your pre-existing conclusion. | |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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| BBC caves in to the right again on 17:52 - Aug 15 with 236 views | Blueschev |
| BBC caves in to the right again on 17:38 - Aug 15 by lowhouseblue |
jenrick has given what, in his opinion, is a legitimate reason for his views. he didn't say "I don’t like people being here because I know nothing about them" - that's just you spinning his words to back up your pre-existing conclusion. |
How am I spinning what he said? He gave no reason for not wanting these people here, other than they came here illegally and they come from a backwards culture. The first part is likely false no matter how many times it’s repeated, and the second is a lazy generalisation about people he admits he knows nothing about. It’s blatant xenophobia and I really don’t understand why you’re trying to portray it as anything else. | | | |
| BBC caves in to the right again on 20:35 - Aug 15 with 152 views | flykickingbybgunn |
| BBC caves in to the right again on 17:52 - Aug 15 by Blueschev |
How am I spinning what he said? He gave no reason for not wanting these people here, other than they came here illegally and they come from a backwards culture. The first part is likely false no matter how many times it’s repeated, and the second is a lazy generalisation about people he admits he knows nothing about. It’s blatant xenophobia and I really don’t understand why you’re trying to portray it as anything else. |
If they came here illegally. As in not through the approved channels, then there is a high possibility they are illegal.
There is nothing xenophobic about that.
We dont know if they are more or less likely to be a criminal until the figures are released on ethnic lines.
Meaning, are illegal immigrants more or less likely to commit a crime than other people.
It is good to hear that the Police Authorities are now advising the recording and publishing such information.
This will clear this whole debate up. |  | | |
| BBC caves in to the right again on 20:37 - Aug 15 with 149 views | Libero |
| BBC caves in to the right again on 20:35 - Aug 15 by flykickingbybgunn |
If they came here illegally. As in not through the approved channels, then there is a high possibility they are illegal.
There is nothing xenophobic about that.
We dont know if they are more or less likely to be a criminal until the figures are released on ethnic lines.
Meaning, are illegal immigrants more or less likely to commit a crime than other people.
It is good to hear that the Police Authorities are now advising the recording and publishing such information.
This will clear this whole debate up. |
Good grief… | | | |
| BBC caves in to the right again on 20:53 - Aug 15 with 132 views | Eireannach_gorm |
| BBC caves in to the right again on 16:36 - Aug 15 by lowhouseblue |
what if he was objecting to the group based on some other characteristic than their nationality? what if it's having a large number of young men with no connection to the area and no cultural affiliation housed together with nothing to do and without the consent of the local community? is it possible that you are assuming a meaning which is different from the one he intended? or does the meaning you attach automatically trump everyone else's including his? |
What if pigs had wings? |  | | |
| BBC caves in to the right again on 21:10 - Aug 15 with 112 views | flykickingbybgunn |
| BBC caves in to the right again on 20:37 - Aug 15 by Libero |
Good grief… |
Explain ? | | | |
| BBC caves in to the right again on 21:11 - Aug 15 with 107 views | lowhouseblue |
| BBC caves in to the right again on 20:53 - Aug 15 by Eireannach_gorm |
What if pigs had wings? |
what if you could construct a coherent response? | |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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