| £10 million for Nathan Broadhead 13:05 - Aug 14 with 4149 views | Libero |
We've absolutely pulled Wrexham's pants down.
Not only is he available for free next season but despite being an incredibly gifted footballer and goalscorer, he has to be managed *very* carefully.
In our promotion season he never played two games in a week, he very rarely completes 90 minutes.
We're a long way from the 'soft touch' that Ashton describes as us being when he stole Adam Webster from us for a pittance on behalf of Bristol City. |  | | |  |
| £10 million for Nathan Broadhead on 15:18 - Aug 14 with 526 views | Herbivore |
| £10 million for Nathan Broadhead on 15:15 - Aug 14 by CastroSito |
Clarke has been utter **** for us, but the fee we paid was about right for what he had been doing at Sunderland? Can't really blame the club for paying the going rate for one of the top championship players, irrespective of how it actually turned out. |
Clarke looked reasonable value at the time and there's every chance he will end up being worth what we paid for him. He's had a tough first year here but the ability is there. |  |
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| £10 million for Nathan Broadhead on 15:20 - Aug 14 with 498 views | positivity |
| £10 million for Nathan Broadhead on 15:18 - Aug 14 by Herbivore |
Clarke looked reasonable value at the time and there's every chance he will end up being worth what we paid for him. He's had a tough first year here but the ability is there. |
in today's market we'd probably make our money back for him even now.
if he has a good season, it'd be a tidy profit |  |
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| £10 million for Nathan Broadhead on 15:21 - Aug 14 with 491 views | Libero |
| £10 million for Nathan Broadhead on 15:15 - Aug 14 by CastroSito |
Clarke has been utter **** for us, but the fee we paid was about right for what he had been doing at Sunderland? Can't really blame the club for paying the going rate for one of the top championship players, irrespective of how it actually turned out. |
No one set up more Premier League goals for Ipswich Town than Jack Clarke, just ponder on that for a moment. | | | |
| £10 million for Nathan Broadhead on 15:21 - Aug 14 with 482 views | Libero |
| £10 million for Nathan Broadhead on 15:18 - Aug 14 by Herbivore |
Clarke looked reasonable value at the time and there's every chance he will end up being worth what we paid for him. He's had a tough first year here but the ability is there. |
Much fairer assessment, it's also worth pointing out that it took him a good while to settle and find his feet at Sunderland! | | | |
| £10 million for Nathan Broadhead on 15:23 - Aug 14 with 467 views | Libero |
| £10 million for Nathan Broadhead on 15:08 - Aug 14 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Yes, getting a good return for Broadhead is fine and good for both sides but a player who has massively contributed for us as well. I always said we would get around 7-8M. Seems even more than that
When you see what we have paid for Clarke (most would probably want Broady over him in current state), Muric etc and some others are still very much in wait and see mode for true value as well.
Celebrating this as some massive win is weird behavior after last summer and what the player has meant for us. |
No one is celebrating it as a 'massive win' - it's just a notable change from the culture that has been in place for the last decade plus at Ipswich Town.
When was the last time an outgoing transfer like this was actually working in favour of Ipswich Town? | | | |
| £10 million for Nathan Broadhead on 15:24 - Aug 14 with 464 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| £10 million for Nathan Broadhead on 15:15 - Aug 14 by CastroSito |
Clarke has been utter **** for us, but the fee we paid was about right for what he had been doing at Sunderland? Can't really blame the club for paying the going rate for one of the top championship players, irrespective of how it actually turned out. |
Yes but we are playing him in the Nathan Broadhead inside left role, not as a winger, as Davis employs that space on the touchline when we are attacking. |  |
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| £10 million for Nathan Broadhead on 15:26 - Aug 14 with 453 views | Libero |
| £10 million for Nathan Broadhead on 15:01 - Aug 14 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
What did Sunderland do to us on the evidence thus far then? |
Sell us a top Championship player at market rate, who went on to be the leading provider of assists for the club that season in the Premier League. [Post edited 14 Aug 15:28]
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| £10 million for Nathan Broadhead on 15:26 - Aug 14 with 439 views | Daninthecampo |
Wanted to leave,a year left on his contract, good deal!
Have we ever bought a player and sold for 600-700% profit? If when Davis goes he'll obviously smash that but cant think of anyone else | | | |
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| £10 million for Nathan Broadhead on 15:27 - Aug 14 with 428 views | positivity |
| £10 million for Nathan Broadhead on 15:26 - Aug 14 by Daninthecampo |
Wanted to leave,a year left on his contract, good deal!
Have we ever bought a player and sold for 600-700% profit? If when Davis goes he'll obviously smash that but cant think of anyone else |
mings was many, many levels above that! | |
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| £10 million for Nathan Broadhead on 15:28 - Aug 14 with 417 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| £10 million for Nathan Broadhead on 15:26 - Aug 14 by Libero |
Sell us a top Championship player at market rate, who went on to be the leading provider of assists for the club that season in the Premier League. [Post edited 14 Aug 15:28]
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You're clutching, we are all routing for Clarke and there is a plyer in there somewhere but he has been a massive disappointment and we are playing him out of position. If we are honest he looks rather a panic buy because Philogene didn't come in July 24. | |
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| £10 million for Nathan Broadhead on 15:29 - Aug 14 with 400 views | tonybied |
| £10 million for Nathan Broadhead on 15:18 - Aug 14 by Herbivore |
Clarke looked reasonable value at the time and there's every chance he will end up being worth what we paid for him. He's had a tough first year here but the ability is there. |
Trouble is, the boo boys are starting to round on him, there were plenty of derogatory comments about him on here during the game on Tuesday. I guess the Muric bashers need to home in on their next target.
Personally, I don't think Clarke has been a good fit for our system, up to now, at least. I heard good things about him playing out on the right during pre-season, but I didn't see any of that. It makes sense, though, as he wouldn't be fighting over the same turf as Johnson/Young like he would Leif. I really hope that Philogene returns soon, and I get a chance to see him in that position. I think it will offer us decent balance. |  | | |
| £10 million for Nathan Broadhead on 15:30 - Aug 14 with 386 views | _clive_baker_ |
| £10 million for Nathan Broadhead on 14:58 - Aug 14 by Churchman |
Not really. It’s a decent bit of business, no more than that. I like NB. He’s a cracking player to get a team out of this division. Premier League quality? Not so sure as I’ve stated previously having seen him close up.
As for my club, it’s not a whinge, just how I see where we are that the moment - possibly. I did caveat it at the end.
Lastly please excuse my somewhat brusque response. I have the somewhat difficult experience of finding my brother in law deceased in his house late last night and am a tad tired. Time to sign off for a while. |
So sorry to read that Churchman. Thoughts are with you and your family.
You've always been one of the good 'uns on here, absolutely no need for your apology. |  | | |
| £10 million for Nathan Broadhead on 15:31 - Aug 14 with 373 views | Libero |
| £10 million for Nathan Broadhead on 15:28 - Aug 14 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
You're clutching, we are all routing for Clarke and there is a plyer in there somewhere but he has been a massive disappointment and we are playing him out of position. If we are honest he looks rather a panic buy because Philogene didn't come in July 24. |
I am? - I think Clarke's been pretty average for Ipswich Town, yet to find any consistency or flow, guilty on occasion of losing the ball *very* naively - reality is that he's a proven top Championship player, we payed market rate for him and no player set up more Premier League goals for us last season.
I'm hoping there's more to come from him. [Post edited 14 Aug 15:32]
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| £10 million for Nathan Broadhead on 15:32 - Aug 14 with 363 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| £10 million for Nathan Broadhead on 15:23 - Aug 14 by Libero |
No one is celebrating it as a 'massive win' - it's just a notable change from the culture that has been in place for the last decade plus at Ipswich Town.
When was the last time an outgoing transfer like this was actually working in favour of Ipswich Town? |
You started a thread about pulling a clubs pants down and how Ashton isn't a soft touch, when a lot of the deals (even in the same role) have been for more and not worked out, as of yet.
We can just call it what it is, a really good fee for a player who has done so much for us an arguably better suited positionally to how we play than some we have brought in.
Either way a sad one to see go, so much ability. | |
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| £10 million for Nathan Broadhead on 15:34 - Aug 14 with 334 views | Libero |
| £10 million for Nathan Broadhead on 15:32 - Aug 14 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
You started a thread about pulling a clubs pants down and how Ashton isn't a soft touch, when a lot of the deals (even in the same role) have been for more and not worked out, as of yet.
We can just call it what it is, a really good fee for a player who has done so much for us an arguably better suited positionally to how we play than some we have brought in.
Either way a sad one to see go, so much ability. |
In my opinion we have, the club have taken full advantage of knowing Wrexham have celebrity backers and maximised the return on Nathan who was a quickly depleting asset.
As I say, when's the last time a deal on a player out worked out in Ipswich Town's favour like this? | | | |
| £10 million for Nathan Broadhead on 15:34 - Aug 14 with 330 views | itfcsuth |
| £10 million for Nathan Broadhead on 14:46 - Aug 14 by Libero |
Good grief, how old are you? - I fear you're somewhat out of touch with the transfer market/players market value/etc. |
I fear I may be the most clued up here with transfer market activity.
We all have fears, it's just how we manage them my friend. |  | | |
| £10 million for Nathan Broadhead on 15:35 - Aug 14 with 316 views | positivity |
| £10 million for Nathan Broadhead on 15:32 - Aug 14 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
You started a thread about pulling a clubs pants down and how Ashton isn't a soft touch, when a lot of the deals (even in the same role) have been for more and not worked out, as of yet.
We can just call it what it is, a really good fee for a player who has done so much for us an arguably better suited positionally to how we play than some we have brought in.
Either way a sad one to see go, so much ability. |
if we'd bought clarke at 27yo for 10m coming into the last year of his deal, i'd agree with you, however clarke has far more chance of giving a good return on his fee.
broady was great, but think clarke is more proven in the championship than him | |
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| £10 million for Nathan Broadhead on 15:36 - Aug 14 with 312 views | Libero |
| £10 million for Nathan Broadhead on 15:34 - Aug 14 by itfcsuth |
I fear I may be the most clued up here with transfer market activity.
We all have fears, it's just how we manage them my friend. |
Well, that was a reply of sorts... | | | |
| £10 million for Nathan Broadhead on 15:37 - Aug 14 with 303 views | Daninthecampo |
| £10 million for Nathan Broadhead on 15:27 - Aug 14 by positivity |
mings was many, many levels above that! |
Doh!of course he was! I was thinking he was a youth player! | | | |
| £10 million for Nathan Broadhead on 15:38 - Aug 14 with 299 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| £10 million for Nathan Broadhead on 15:34 - Aug 14 by Libero |
In my opinion we have, the club have taken full advantage of knowing Wrexham have celebrity backers and maximised the return on Nathan who was a quickly depleting asset.
As I say, when's the last time a deal on a player out worked out in Ipswich Town's favour like this? |
God knows what other clubs done with us last summer then. | |
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| £10 million for Nathan Broadhead on 15:42 - Aug 14 with 268 views | Libero |
| £10 million for Nathan Broadhead on 15:38 - Aug 14 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
God knows what other clubs done with us last summer then. |
Which deal do you feel we got the rough end on? I appreciate that a few of the deals didn't show immediately in the manner in which we'd hoped, but they were all signed with the future in mind and reflect market value.
Only one I personally questioned was Philogene, but he has such a high glass celling that even in the worst case scenario we will recover the majority of his fee if he weren't to work out and move on - he is an England U21 player after all. | | | |
| £10 million for Nathan Broadhead on 15:44 - Aug 14 with 247 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| £10 million for Nathan Broadhead on 15:35 - Aug 14 by positivity |
if we'd bought clarke at 27yo for 10m coming into the last year of his deal, i'd agree with you, however clarke has far more chance of giving a good return on his fee.
broady was great, but think clarke is more proven in the championship than him |
For a different team, in a different position, when he was the vocal point of said team that season. We brought Clarke for 15M and 20M with add on's to play in the Premier League btw.
Broadhead is certainly more proven for us, he scored 13 goals the year we went up at this level.
I would have done the deal today as well, even at 7-8M, so I am not disappointed in it considering the situation we have found ourselves in. However, I think we have ourselves to blame somewhat for getting us in this situation in the first place, we have spent 37M in his position with no returns as of yet.
No one will convince me he wasn't a bit of a panic buy after not getting Philogene last summer, spending that much capital for a club in our position, a team that was likely to go down, in just one area of the pitch was extremely risky, especially considering the profile of both in terms of physicality on the step up. [Post edited 14 Aug 15:46]
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| £10 million for Nathan Broadhead on 15:49 - Aug 14 with 194 views | positivity |
| £10 million for Nathan Broadhead on 15:44 - Aug 14 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
For a different team, in a different position, when he was the vocal point of said team that season. We brought Clarke for 15M and 20M with add on's to play in the Premier League btw.
Broadhead is certainly more proven for us, he scored 13 goals the year we went up at this level.
I would have done the deal today as well, even at 7-8M, so I am not disappointed in it considering the situation we have found ourselves in. However, I think we have ourselves to blame somewhat for getting us in this situation in the first place, we have spent 37M in his position with no returns as of yet.
No one will convince me he wasn't a bit of a panic buy after not getting Philogene last summer, spending that much capital for a club in our position, a team that was likely to go down, in just one area of the pitch was extremely risky, especially considering the profile of both in terms of physicality on the step up. [Post edited 14 Aug 15:46]
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clarke hasn't had a chance to prove himself at championship level for us, he's only had part of one game!!
if it's just our tactics making him look bad then you'd expect him to be sold at a profit then? | |
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| £10 million for Nathan Broadhead on 15:53 - Aug 14 with 165 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| £10 million for Nathan Broadhead on 15:49 - Aug 14 by positivity |
clarke hasn't had a chance to prove himself at championship level for us, he's only had part of one game!!
if it's just our tactics making him look bad then you'd expect him to be sold at a profit then? |
You're argument holds no water, you're saying he is more proven at this level but I am suggesting that was in a different set up which seems more relevant, as he is now playing for us.
Of course he has not had the chance yet for us in the EFL, I am sure he will look very good in games with space against poor opposition but I don't really see a PL player in there.
Your last sentence makes no sense whatsoever, so can't be bothered to get in the weeds of it. He obviously won't go for a profit if his career take a backwards step for whatever the reason, that's just not how football works and I don't think we ever underpaid for him either. [Post edited 14 Aug 15:54]
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| £10 million for Nathan Broadhead on 15:54 - Aug 14 with 152 views | _clive_baker_ |
| £10 million for Nathan Broadhead on 15:42 - Aug 14 by Libero |
Which deal do you feel we got the rough end on? I appreciate that a few of the deals didn't show immediately in the manner in which we'd hoped, but they were all signed with the future in mind and reflect market value.
Only one I personally questioned was Philogene, but he has such a high glass celling that even in the worst case scenario we will recover the majority of his fee if he weren't to work out and move on - he is an England U21 player after all. |
I think some of our fans think we should defy the odds and trends of just about every other club in the land and achieve a 100% hit rate on signings.
It's like investing, you won't win them all but the aim of the game is to win more than you lose, and when you lose you manage it to mitigate the loss (a la Muric). We've probably got a loan fee for him, his wage off the books and an option from their side (admittedly not an obligation) that would claw a big chunk of what we've spent if exercised. When you win you maximise your return, in service of improving the squad year over year. We've probably spent somewhere in the region of, what, £150m between game changer coming on board up until this summer, including add ons? £10m - £15m pre premier league and £130m in it?
Delap has gone for £30m. Broadhead £8m. Hutchinson could go for £35m tomorrow if we wanted to. That's half our spend back on those 3. Davis is probably worth £15m. Clarke, Greaves, O'Shea & Hirst probably bridge the gap alone, if not more. That's before Ogbene, Szmodics, Philogene etc who are probably £25m+ on a bad day.
I'm almost certain the realistic book value and in some cases realised value is greater than what we've paid at a total level. You won't find a club in the land with a 100% hit rate, even Brighton have had some stinkers. | | | |
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