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MAGA sentiment means right wing populism, conspiracy theory leaning, being led by wealthy self interest charlatans, nostalgic nationalism, white nationalism sympathies, eschewing science and expertise in governance. Net zero negativity.
Don’t get me wrong not all people who support Trump or vote republican are MAGA. And the democrats made a complete hash of leaning too left and a shambolic response to Trump.
And it’s wrong to state that every policy or Trump’s has been negative. He has done some things that have challenged failings in the status quo.
But what is now happening in the US is shocking. If you aren’t up to speed on what Trump is doing at the federal level take the time to research, news reporting in the UK is relatively light on what for example is happening in government departments and education. Kennedy’s actions alone in research and healthcare are deranged. The zone is so flooded people are dizzy to the change. His support Netanyahu and Putin is staggering.
I thought when the liar in chief Boris was removed and Trump lost the election (republican voting officials have testified he lost, and yet he’s trying to have school curriculums changed to relevant his view - one of a 1000 insanity points). That Farage will skulk back into his hate hole after the Brexit debacle.
But social media and client journalism is a powerful thing.
And now we see the rise of flag waving, of immigration hate, of nationalism, of AI powered Farage memes, of UK people pining for Trumpian rule, of Reform saying they will frack… etc etc
It’s MEGA and it is coming, combined with the Starmer hate campaign (he deserves massive criticism, but he’s also done much right) before we know it we’ll have damaging people in charge. Badenoch is a disgrace, dancing to the hate whistle.
I just hope the British public can see through the rhetoric.
And in the background AI rises.
What a time to be alive.
Still the sun is shining, and we have our Town (well sort of)
Here you go. Listen to the first 1:40 of this. He says the same thing quite a few of us have said on here before. In 1:40 he gives you the problem and the solution to the problem.
MAGA coming here.. perhaps it was inevitable on 17:20 - Aug 25 by J2BLUE
Here you go. Listen to the first 1:40 of this. He says the same thing quite a few of us have said on here before. In 1:40 he gives you the problem and the solution to the problem.
He's certainly right about the right winning the culture war now.
Has anyone ever looked at their own postings for last day or so? Oh my... so sorry. Was Ullaa
MAGA coming here.. perhaps it was inevitable on 11:16 - Aug 25 by Horsham
Feels like we’re on brink of a lot of chickens coming home to roost and can imagine various dystopian scenarios playing out.
For me the most concerning thing is how so much these days is driven by hate. I think the digital culture enables that - it was harder to be offensive and spiteful when you had to do it in person and there could be consequences.
On a related note I find that it’s pretty obvious the right are really skilled in harnessing narratives. Fair play to them. Woke used to be about caring about people I thought. Now that’s an insult…utter woke nonsense.
And this raise the colours thing. Now the right have claimed exclusive ownership of patriotism. It’s not exactly exclusive to the right to be patriotic. In other liberal and more socialist countries than here people routinely fly their national flags. Why does the left just vacate any space the right wants to assume control of?
Surely a left wing liberal socialist can he patriotic too. I’d certainly appreciate the flag painted with more care and neatly on my mini roundabout.
For me the left has to do much better.
The right in this country has always in my view tapped into issues which play on people's emotions/fears (crime, immigration, tax etc) whether or not based on actual evidence.
Sadly, it is virtually impossible to counteract views so formed with reason.
To take a current example, a recent YouGov poll found that nearly half the population believe there are more illegal migrants in this country than legal, when in fact illegal migrants make up only a tiny fraction.
In such circumstances, it isn't really possible to have a reasoned debate, and there is very little the left can do to change views, with the might of the media/social media (increasingly relying on false stories) lined up against them.
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MAGA coming here.. perhaps it was inevitable on 19:14 - Aug 25 with 1248 views
MAGA coming here.. perhaps it was inevitable on 17:36 - Aug 25 by giant_stow
He's certainly right about the right winning the culture war now.
the 'culture wars' are an entirely minority pursuit - 90% of people have absolutely no interest in them at all. most people turn a blind eye and really only notice when one side pushes it all to an extreme and get to the point of looking ridiculous - the whole emperor's new clothes effect then kicks in. people who haven't been following the detail of the 'war' until then look and think 'why are these people claiming moral superiority over everyone else?'. politically claiming moral superiority over the electorate is always a bad place to be - but when there's an issue on which they also seem unhinged then they're on a real loser
And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show
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MAGA coming here.. perhaps it was inevitable on 20:39 - Aug 25 with 1132 views
MAGA coming here.. perhaps it was inevitable on 17:20 - Aug 25 by J2BLUE
Here you go. Listen to the first 1:40 of this. He says the same thing quite a few of us have said on here before. In 1:40 he gives you the problem and the solution to the problem.
Great clip and message.
"And the democrats made a complete hash of leaning too left"
It wasn't about leaning too left, it was leaning too into identity politics and not social and economic equality.
MAGA coming here.. perhaps it was inevitable on 16:57 - Aug 25 by OldFart71
Not harsh to blame Starmers lot at all. They have had over a year and basically nothing has improved. They ditched Rwanda straight away saying they would crush the gangs. These traffickers are not thick and will use every available trick. Shut one lot down and another starts up all controlled no doubt from far away where we have little or no influence. Reeves lied and stated she was an economist. Like most of Labour and the Tories before her economic with the truth. The sooner we as citizens of the UK realise that these politicians of whatever denomination or colour are only in it for themselves and will say whatever we want to hear to get themselves elected. Labour got in by default due to fourteen years of Tory rule. Had many people realised how they would make things worse in only a smidgeon over a year they wouldn't be in now. A decent, proper PM would have addressed the Nation at a time like this. Instead of making out he's some great ambassador for Britain putting the world to rights. I have news for him, he isn't and we have become a laughing stock with atin pot army.
A upvote from bluebudgie is all you need to know about this post
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MAGA coming here.. perhaps it was inevitable on 07:46 - Aug 26 with 726 views
The only thing I disagree with in that is about the Dems leaning “too left”. They were more “left” (and that’s very relative these days – part of the problem) in 2020, and won.
As we can see in the UK, trying to out-fascists fascists does not work. They start with marginalised groups – you don’t cede a thing a to them.
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MAGA coming here.. perhaps it was inevitable on 07:58 - Aug 26 with 693 views
MAGA coming here.. perhaps it was inevitable on 20:39 - Aug 25 by unstableblue
Great clip and message.
"And the democrats made a complete hash of leaning too left"
It wasn't about leaning too left, it was leaning too into identity politics and not social and economic equality.
Surely it's the right that lean into identity politics? The left just respond to that to try and support the marginalised. I don't remember the left moaning about who uses which toilet (to use an example).
MAGA coming here.. perhaps it was inevitable on 14:03 - Aug 25 by unstableblue
Look I’m a left of centre person.
But we have a problem with illegal immigration and the processing and/or integration into our values of predominantly male economic immigrants. The sexual crime rates are a too stark to ignore.
I agree protesting outside a hotel where immigrants are being held is aiming anger and protest at the wrong place and institution.
I also don’t think it’s right to demonise everyone protesting outside these hotels, some are local with legitimate concerns.
But many are fired up by the Farage, Robinson and increasingly Badenoch wolf whistle. And they’re there to basically make a far right statement. You can dress it up as much as you like.
Of course nothing is as simplistic as you say as these bad actors would make you out, much of this immigration is caused by US and UK foreign policy, much of it is caused by the disastrous immigration policies post Brexit, rushed through. And so on and so on.
The Tories parroting that Rwanda would have solved this is reductionist clap trap, but reductionist clap trap can get a narcissistic crook into the White House!
Agree with most of that but why do we have to categorise left and right all the time. This should be a very fact based debate but again our political system fails people which then encourages extremism (on both the left and the right). Quite simply because we never get to the point of having sensible conversations about it in the media or government.
It’s boring and predictable in terms of outcome, coming back to the original post.
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MAGA coming here.. perhaps it was inevitable on 09:13 - Aug 26 with 602 views
MAGA coming here.. perhaps it was inevitable on 08:03 - Aug 26 by PrideOfTheEast
Agree with most of that but why do we have to categorise left and right all the time. This should be a very fact based debate but again our political system fails people which then encourages extremism (on both the left and the right). Quite simply because we never get to the point of having sensible conversations about it in the media or government.
It’s boring and predictable in terms of outcome, coming back to the original post.
Oh for some extremism on the left! Was moderate democratic socialism extreme?
The real extremism is the centre.
David Graeber called it the extreme centre.
“It strikes me that what’s called the moderates are the most immoderate people possible”
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MAGA coming here.. perhaps it was inevitable on 09:23 - Aug 26 with 576 views
MAGA coming here.. perhaps it was inevitable on 08:03 - Aug 26 by PrideOfTheEast
Agree with most of that but why do we have to categorise left and right all the time. This should be a very fact based debate but again our political system fails people which then encourages extremism (on both the left and the right). Quite simply because we never get to the point of having sensible conversations about it in the media or government.
It’s boring and predictable in terms of outcome, coming back to the original post.
Indeed, some of our issues, such as providing a better, more effective NHS, shouldn't be so politically divisive, but unfortunately it is & therefore there is no intelligent, constructive debate on the issue.
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