| Andy Burnham watch .... 08:55 - Sep 16 with 4655 views | Keno |
Andrew Gwyne is rumoured to be standing down as MP for Gorton & Denton (edge of Manchester), which he held with a 13,000 plus majority for Labour
Since been suspended and probably not on Starmers Christmas card list |  |
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| Andy Burnham watch .... on 08:58 - Sep 16 with 2560 views | BlueNomad |
Now Burnham is someone I would like to see as PM. He’d deal with Farage in the HOC! |  | | |
| Andy Burnham watch .... on 08:59 - Sep 16 with 2544 views | soupytwist |
To what extent is the local Labour party able to choose its own candidate if there were to be a by-election?
Starmer wouldn't look good if there was pressure on them to choose anyone but Burnham. And he probably wouldn't welcome someone like Burnham looming over things from the back benches. |  | | |
| Andy Burnham watch .... on 09:00 - Sep 16 with 2524 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Andy Burnham watch .... on 08:58 - Sep 16 by BlueNomad |
Now Burnham is someone I would like to see as PM. He’d deal with Farage in the HOC! |
Andy Burnham is like one of these footballers who is out injured for a lengthy period. The longer they are out the better players they become in the minds of the fans. |  |
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| Andy Burnham watch .... on 09:03 - Sep 16 with 2494 views | positivity |
| Andy Burnham watch .... on 09:00 - Sep 16 by GlasgowBlue |
Andy Burnham is like one of these footballers who is out injured for a lengthy period. The longer they are out the better players they become in the minds of the fans. |
he's not out of the game, he's mayor of one of the biggest cities in britain!
he has plenty of game time to be judged on |  |
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| Andy Burnham watch .... on 09:05 - Sep 16 with 2466 views | BlueNomad |
| Andy Burnham watch .... on 09:03 - Sep 16 by positivity |
he's not out of the game, he's mayor of one of the biggest cities in britain!
he has plenty of game time to be judged on |
And he was good as an MP. | | | |
| Andy Burnham watch .... on 09:09 - Sep 16 with 2439 views | positivity |
| Andy Burnham watch .... on 09:05 - Sep 16 by BlueNomad |
And he was good as an MP. |
was gutted when he lost out to corbyn; bit of a sliding doors moment right there for the uk | |
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| Andy Burnham watch .... on 09:11 - Sep 16 with 2417 views | Smoresy |
| Andy Burnham watch .... on 08:59 - Sep 16 by soupytwist |
To what extent is the local Labour party able to choose its own candidate if there were to be a by-election?
Starmer wouldn't look good if there was pressure on them to choose anyone but Burnham. And he probably wouldn't welcome someone like Burnham looming over things from the back benches. |
He could make the argument that Manchester Mayor is a more important position than backbench MP, and he values Burnham's work greatly in that role. | | | |
| Andy Burnham watch .... on 09:13 - Sep 16 with 2395 views | Cotty |
| Andy Burnham watch .... on 09:00 - Sep 16 by GlasgowBlue |
Andy Burnham is like one of these footballers who is out injured for a lengthy period. The longer they are out the better players they become in the minds of the fans. |
Nah, he's been playing in La Liga |  | | |
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| Andy Burnham watch .... on 09:15 - Sep 16 with 2387 views | iamatractorboy |
| Andy Burnham watch .... on 09:03 - Sep 16 by positivity |
he's not out of the game, he's mayor of one of the biggest cities in britain!
he has plenty of game time to be judged on |
How about 'plays for his club but retired from international duty'? | | | |
| Andy Burnham watch .... on 09:23 - Sep 16 with 2326 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| Andy Burnham watch .... on 09:15 - Sep 16 by iamatractorboy |
How about 'plays for his club but retired from international duty'? |
"Obviously, if there's a crisis and my nation needs me, then "Never say never..." " | | | |
| Andy Burnham watch .... on 09:24 - Sep 16 with 2321 views | positivity |
| Andy Burnham watch .... on 09:11 - Sep 16 by Smoresy |
He could make the argument that Manchester Mayor is a more important position than backbench MP, and he values Burnham's work greatly in that role. |
he could (and it would be true), but i hope he brings him in to the conversation. has much better instincts than most currently in the decision-making roles | |
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| Andy Burnham watch .... on 09:26 - Sep 16 with 2284 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Andy Burnham watch .... on 08:58 - Sep 16 by BlueNomad |
Now Burnham is someone I would like to see as PM. He’d deal with Farage in the HOC! |
How about he actually comes in and starts fixing the country rather than playing politics. We’ve already had vacuous Starmer. If Labour actually started fixing our public services and structural defects in our economy- people would steer clear of populists.
The waiting lists for my local NHS trust have been released recently, incredibly they are actually WORSE than under the Tories. Labour need to sack the entire cabinet and start again, it’s going to be very difficult for them to restore any trust in them. | | | |
| Andy Burnham watch .... on 09:27 - Sep 16 with 2289 views | EdwardStone |
| Andy Burnham watch .... on 09:24 - Sep 16 by positivity |
he could (and it would be true), but i hope he brings him in to the conversation. has much better instincts than most currently in the decision-making roles |
To be fair, it is hard to imagine someone having worse political instincts than Starmer, K
He seems staggeringly inept |  | | |
| Andy Burnham watch .... on 09:31 - Sep 16 with 2226 views | mutters |
"Maybe you could be the one to save me (the UK)" |  |
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| Andy Burnham watch .... on 09:39 - Sep 16 with 2155 views | NthQldITFC |
| Andy Burnham watch .... on 08:59 - Sep 16 by soupytwist |
To what extent is the local Labour party able to choose its own candidate if there were to be a by-election?
Starmer wouldn't look good if there was pressure on them to choose anyone but Burnham. And he probably wouldn't welcome someone like Burnham looming over things from the back benches. |
I think I heard yesterday that the NEC could kibosh it in theory? Could be wrong mind. I hope I am. [Post edited 16 Sep 9:39]
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| Andy Burnham watch .... on 09:48 - Sep 16 with 2092 views | Guthrum |
| Andy Burnham watch .... on 09:39 - Sep 16 by NthQldITFC |
I think I heard yesterday that the NEC could kibosh it in theory? Could be wrong mind. I hope I am. [Post edited 16 Sep 9:39]
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The optics of doing that would be terrible, tho. Make Starmer look terribly weak and determined to bend every rule to ensure his personal survival in power. Belie all rhetoric about Labour being a "broad church". Provide ammunition for other parties.
The biggest risk might be of Manchester ending up with a Reform mayor (who would bale out after a few weeks, leaving his teenage assistant in charge of one of the UK's most important cities). |  |
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| Andy Burnham watch .... on 09:56 - Sep 16 with 2032 views | Guthrum |
| Andy Burnham watch .... on 09:26 - Sep 16 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
How about he actually comes in and starts fixing the country rather than playing politics. We’ve already had vacuous Starmer. If Labour actually started fixing our public services and structural defects in our economy- people would steer clear of populists.
The waiting lists for my local NHS trust have been released recently, incredibly they are actually WORSE than under the Tories. Labour need to sack the entire cabinet and start again, it’s going to be very difficult for them to restore any trust in them. |
Because it's not possible to do that first bit, without a lot more money, upsetting a load of people and is a process which will take years, if not decades. None of those are attractive to politicians who live in fear of the next set of poll results. And who have to get such a manifesto of discomfort, hard work and patience elected in the first place, by voters who have been indoctrinated to expect promises of flowing milk and honey only just around the corner. | |
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| Andy Burnham watch .... on 10:14 - Sep 16 with 1884 views | NthQldITFC |
| Andy Burnham watch .... on 09:48 - Sep 16 by Guthrum |
The optics of doing that would be terrible, tho. Make Starmer look terribly weak and determined to bend every rule to ensure his personal survival in power. Belie all rhetoric about Labour being a "broad church". Provide ammunition for other parties.
The biggest risk might be of Manchester ending up with a Reform mayor (who would bale out after a few weeks, leaving his teenage assistant in charge of one of the UK's most important cities). |
Hopefully that's the case. In terms of your second para, the national interest is of paramount importance in the next couple of years, and Manchester will suffer just as much as the rest of the country if Labour limp, Bidenesque, into a GE with a clueless Starmer or a last minute McSweeney replacement. We have our own frog-mouthed version of the orange baby to worry about. | |
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| Andy Burnham watch .... on 10:18 - Sep 16 with 1844 views | lowhouseblue |
| Andy Burnham watch .... on 09:27 - Sep 16 by EdwardStone |
To be fair, it is hard to imagine someone having worse political instincts than Starmer, K
He seems staggeringly inept |
trouble is people often complain about politicians and wish for someone who is above politics. well that is sort of starmer. he doesn't see himself as a politician, he sees hime self as a lawyer / administrator / public servant. what you then get is someone who isn't necessarily terribly good at the game of politics and has limited ability to sense political risk or to manage hundreds of back benchers. if people disparage politicians and the machiavelllian skills they bring then politically inept seems to be the alternative. |  |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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| Andy Burnham watch .... on 10:19 - Sep 16 with 1862 views | jasondozzell |
It's too late. If anyone thinks Burnham is the answer they must be off their heads. He's a careerist. Soft left by the smallest margin (although enough to mean the Labour right hate him).
It's all too late. Centrists, the people's vote, everyone who thought the Starmer project was 'sensible adults back in the room' , people who think James O'Brien d Ian Dunt are intelligent commentators, Marina Hyde, Maitlis, Jon Sopel etc are all going to have to own what they have done. They won't of course.
What was done to Corbyn was a disgrace and the political/media elite are fully to blame.
Net result fascism. |  | | |
| Andy Burnham watch .... on 10:20 - Sep 16 with 1835 views | NthQldITFC |
| Andy Burnham watch .... on 09:56 - Sep 16 by Guthrum |
Because it's not possible to do that first bit, without a lot more money, upsetting a load of people and is a process which will take years, if not decades. None of those are attractive to politicians who live in fear of the next set of poll results. And who have to get such a manifesto of discomfort, hard work and patience elected in the first place, by voters who have been indoctrinated to expect promises of flowing milk and honey only just around the corner. |
But you have to be open and honest about it, start to put the framework in place for radical change, trust in a voting majority of the electorate to understand, whilst educating them with complete] openness and honesty in your first five years. You do everything you can to get re-elected in five years time, except compromise on the long term strategy for the very survival of this country as a functioning society.
Unrelenting transparency should be the religion. | |
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| Andy Burnham watch .... on 10:23 - Sep 16 with 1785 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Andy Burnham watch .... on 09:56 - Sep 16 by Guthrum |
Because it's not possible to do that first bit, without a lot more money, upsetting a load of people and is a process which will take years, if not decades. None of those are attractive to politicians who live in fear of the next set of poll results. And who have to get such a manifesto of discomfort, hard work and patience elected in the first place, by voters who have been indoctrinated to expect promises of flowing milk and honey only just around the corner. |
But the poll result are partly driven by the failure to provide any improvement to public services. He’s absolutely tanked in the polls. It can’t be a lack of doctors and surgeons because we’ve had record migration (unless that’s creating additional pressures). So presumably we need more hospital beds etc? He’s committed to increasing defence spending to 3.5pc of GDP, so it’s about prioritising where we want to spend money. And additionally they’ve refused to implement any wealth taxes. GDP per capita has continued to flatline so there’s less money per head, suggesting we aren’t creating quality high skilled jobs.
In short it’s a sh1t show. | | | |
| Andy Burnham watch .... on 10:25 - Sep 16 with 1759 views | DJR |
| Andy Burnham watch .... on 08:59 - Sep 16 by soupytwist |
To what extent is the local Labour party able to choose its own candidate if there were to be a by-election?
Starmer wouldn't look good if there was pressure on them to choose anyone but Burnham. And he probably wouldn't welcome someone like Burnham looming over things from the back benches. |
Candidate selection (and thus the potential candidates put to local members) is now controlled by the central party.
At the last election only one left wing candidate made it through, and even they were kicked out just before the election.
Having said that, I think that if Burnham put himself forward (especially in the Manchester area), it would be difficult for the party to prevent him being put to the local membership. [Post edited 16 Sep 10:34]
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| Andy Burnham watch .... on 10:28 - Sep 16 with 1717 views | lowhouseblue |
| Andy Burnham watch .... on 10:23 - Sep 16 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
But the poll result are partly driven by the failure to provide any improvement to public services. He’s absolutely tanked in the polls. It can’t be a lack of doctors and surgeons because we’ve had record migration (unless that’s creating additional pressures). So presumably we need more hospital beds etc? He’s committed to increasing defence spending to 3.5pc of GDP, so it’s about prioritising where we want to spend money. And additionally they’ve refused to implement any wealth taxes. GDP per capita has continued to flatline so there’s less money per head, suggesting we aren’t creating quality high skilled jobs.
In short it’s a sh1t show. |
but it's not such a show that started in the last 12 months. the last election was a very bad one to win given where we are economically - and there zero chance of turning public services and growth around in the first 12 months. and in terms of wealth taxes there is no such tax anywhere which has risen the sort of sums that are needed to sort out the current public finances. the only thing capable of doing that is growth. | |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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| Andy Burnham watch .... on 10:31 - Sep 16 with 1691 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Andy Burnham watch .... on 10:19 - Sep 16 by jasondozzell |
It's too late. If anyone thinks Burnham is the answer they must be off their heads. He's a careerist. Soft left by the smallest margin (although enough to mean the Labour right hate him).
It's all too late. Centrists, the people's vote, everyone who thought the Starmer project was 'sensible adults back in the room' , people who think James O'Brien d Ian Dunt are intelligent commentators, Marina Hyde, Maitlis, Jon Sopel etc are all going to have to own what they have done. They won't of course.
What was done to Corbyn was a disgrace and the political/media elite are fully to blame.
Net result fascism. |
Corbyn was the ultimate careerist- he’s never worked a real job in his life!
Plus he was the architect of his own downfall. For all his mediocrity, Starmer at least hasn’t been called out by Hope Not Hate, nor dragged the party into a ECHR investigation. | | | |
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