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First Colbert … now Kimmel 00:07 - Sep 18 with 3223 views

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First Colbert … now Kimmel on 02:28 - Sep 18 with 2713 views

Illinoisblue

The slope is getting more slippery by the day. Kimmel didn’t even make fun of Kirk (as is being reported), he made fun of Trump’s reaction to being asked about how he felt after the death of one of his supposed friends, and immediately started talking about how he’s building a big beautiful ballroom at the White House.

Can’t criticize the King in the land of the free.

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First Colbert … now Kimmel on 06:10 - Sep 18 with 2459 views

iamatractorboy

I'm sure JD is outraged...

First Colbert … now Kimmel on 07:16 - Sep 18 with 2252 views

WicklowBlue

Evidently the 1st ammendment is not as important as the FCC approving media companys' acquisitions!

The administration tentacles continue to wrestle control away from democratic principles.

I think I saw in another recent thread a discussion around what the correct nomenclature for such actions are...

9 months into this term...something has to break at some point Shirley?

First Colbert … now Kimmel on 08:18 - Sep 18 with 2004 views

lowhouseblue

it's an example of the 'chilling effect' of attacks on free speech. in the end it means that censors don't need to act, instead their targets, in this case abc, self-censor out of fear of the consequences.

And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show

First Colbert … now Kimmel on 08:23 - Sep 18 with 1983 views

Swansea_Blue

First Colbert … now Kimmel on 02:28 - Sep 18 by Illinoisblue
The slope is getting more slippery by the day. Kimmel didn’t even make fun of Kirk (as is being reported), he made fun of Trump’s reaction to being asked about how he felt after the death of one of his supposed friends, and immediately started talking about how he’s building a big beautiful ballroom at the White House. Can’t criticize the King in the land of the free.

It seems a very obvious, anti-democratic power grab taking place in plain sight. And yet the response in America appears to be very muted (when viewed from this side of the pond).

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First Colbert … now Kimmel on 08:35 - Sep 18 with 1936 views

Whos_blue

Just posting this for context.

BBC News - Jimmy Kimmel taken off air over Charlie Kirk comments
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c203n52x1y9o

Kimmel has done nothing other than his job to provide a wry commentary on current events.
This is no different than the fair served up on HIGNFY. It's satirical and nothing else.
And rather than enjoying all the lavish trappings currently provided by his host, the man baby with the bone china ego chose to post about it. CAPITALS included of course.

Distortion becomes somehow pure in its wildness.

First Colbert … now Kimmel on 08:45 - Sep 18 with 1901 views

DJR

First Colbert … now Kimmel on 08:35 - Sep 18 by Whos_blue

As I mentioned on another thread it is ironic that the death of someone who advocated free speech is being met by an attack on free speech.

It's cancel culture pure and simple.

First Colbert … now Kimmel on 09:41 - Sep 18 with 1752 views

bartyg

Just checking where on the fascis-o-meter we can file "taken off air for lack of deference to the head of state"

First Colbert … now Kimmel on 09:59 - Sep 18 with 1681 views

Guthrum

First Colbert … now Kimmel on 08:23 - Sep 18 by Swansea_Blue
It seems a very obvious, anti-democratic power grab taking place in plain sight. And yet the response in America appears to be very muted (when viewed from this side of the pond).

The US system has very limited avenues to do anything about it. If one faction has control of all branches of the government and the Supreme Court, however marginal or contrived, all checks and balances are out of the window. The Founding Father do not seem to have thought of this - as Enlightenment thinkers educated in the Classics, they ought to have known better (just look at the fall of the Roman Republic).

A vote of no confidence in the President does not exist as a mechanism, or has no practical effect, even if it could be got through a partisan Congress. Illness or criminal activity are the only ways of removing the incumbent - and the judges of that are his own supporters in the House.

Street protests have no practical effect and, in any case, the effectively binary political setup ensures that pretty much half the population will support whoever is in power. This doubly so with someone who does not care what those not backing him think (indeed revels in their discomfiture) and takes an imaginary view of the balance of public opinion.

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First Colbert … now Kimmel on 10:14 - Sep 18 with 1601 views

bartyg

First Colbert … now Kimmel on 08:35 - Sep 18 by Whos_blue

Interesting part of this article-

"The chair of the Federal Communications Commission (FCC), Brendan Carr, thanked Nexstar "for doing the right thing" and said he hoped other broadcasters would follow its lead. Nexstar is currently seeking FCC approval for its planned $6.2bn (£4.5bn) merger with Tegna.

FCC head Carr, a Trump appointee, had earlier criticised Kimmel's monologue.

The head of the US communications regulator said on Wednesday that the ABC host had shown "the sickest conduct possible" and he urged Disney to take action.

"[Broadcasters] have a license granted by us at the FCC, and that comes with it an obligation to operate in the public interest," the Trump appointee told the Benny Show, a conservative podcast."

Looked into the Nexstar-Techna merger and it needs FCC approval because of anti monopoly legislation. Looks like Nexstar saw a chance to further their business interests here.

First Colbert … now Kimmel on 10:23 - Sep 18 with 1555 views

FromReuserWithLove

First Colbert … now Kimmel on 09:41 - Sep 18 by bartyg
Just checking where on the fascis-o-meter we can file "taken off air for lack of deference to the head of state"

At least our head of state isnt pandering to him and wining and dining him in luxury.

First Colbert … now Kimmel on 10:26 - Sep 18 with 1532 views

DJR

First Colbert … now Kimmel on 10:14 - Sep 18 by bartyg

Funny how they object to what they see as censorship on the internet but not on TV.

Ultimately, it seems to boil down to trying to ensure a country in which only free speech they approve of is allowed free rein.

As I said on a post yesterday, "It's free speech, Jim, but not as we know it."

First Colbert … now Kimmel on 10:36 - Sep 18 with 1466 views

iamatractorboy

First Colbert … now Kimmel on 09:59 - Sep 18 by Guthrum

Exactly. The 'vote of no confidence', i.e. impeachment, is a farce and is always likely to go along party lines. What the Senate should have done when it had the chance was to convict, but it was never going to happen. McConnell has since voiced some opposition to what has been happening... but let's face it Mitch, you blew your chance to do anything about it when you should have.

First Colbert … now Kimmel on 12:30 - Sep 18 with 1250 views

Whos_blue

First Colbert … now Kimmel on 10:23 - Sep 18 by FromReuserWithLove
At least our head of state isnt pandering to him and wining and dining him in luxury.

Yes. But sometimes you have to dance with the devil.
I think KCs words at the state banquet were very carefully crafted.

Distortion becomes somehow pure in its wildness.

First Colbert … now Kimmel on 13:22 - Sep 18 with 1094 views

reusersfreekicks

First Colbert … now Kimmel on 08:18 - Sep 18 by lowhouseblue
it's an example of the 'chilling effect' of attacks on free speech. in the end it means that censors don't need to act, instead their targets, in this case abc, self-censor out of fear of the consequences.

Yet on other very recent threads you advise that democracy in the USA is fully functioning or words to that effect
And in the past you put forward equivalence between the threat to free speech from the Republicans and the Democrats in the USA
Incredible

First Colbert … now Kimmel on 13:32 - Sep 18 with 1045 views

itfcjoe

First Colbert … now Kimmel on 02:28 - Sep 18 by Illinoisblue
The slope is getting more slippery by the day. Kimmel didn’t even make fun of Kirk (as is being reported), he made fun of Trump’s reaction to being asked about how he felt after the death of one of his supposed friends, and immediately started talking about how he’s building a big beautiful ballroom at the White House. Can’t criticize the King in the land of the free.

What the left do, the right will do back on steroids from a position of more power - it was ever thus

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First Colbert … now Kimmel on 13:57 - Sep 18 with 946 views

reusersfreekicks

First Colbert … now Kimmel on 13:32 - Sep 18 by itfcjoe
What the left do, the right will do back on steroids from a position of more power - it was ever thus

What have the left done?

First Colbert … now Kimmel on 14:19 - Sep 18 with 869 views

itfcjoe

First Colbert … now Kimmel on 13:57 - Sep 18 by reusersfreekicks
What have the left done?

The cancel culture and censorship that had been prevalent from the left side of the culture war.

The whole Kathleen Stock case where the Uni of Sussex ends up fined £500k for basically picking a side in a debate and silencing the other one and forcing those with those views to self-censor - it's now coming back the other way.

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First Colbert … now Kimmel on 14:43 - Sep 18 with 785 views

reusersfreekicks

First Colbert … now Kimmel on 14:19 - Sep 18 by itfcjoe
The cancel culture and censorship that had been prevalent from the left side of the culture war. The whole Kathleen Stock case where the Uni of Sussex ends up fined £500k for basically picking a side in a debate and silencing the other one and forcing those with those views to self-censor - it's now coming back the other way.

Not sure it's of the same scale as what's going on in the USA by the govt
In your example the uni got fined

First Colbert … now Kimmel on 14:45 - Sep 18 with 777 views

itfcjoe

First Colbert … now Kimmel on 14:43 - Sep 18 by reusersfreekicks
Not sure it's of the same scale as what's going on in the USA by the govt In your example the uni got fined

Well obviously not - that's why I said the right do it back on steroids from a position of power.

i.e. a totally different scale both in what they want to do, and what they are able to do

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First Colbert … now Kimmel on 16:28 - Sep 18 with 608 views

DJR

First Colbert … now Kimmel on 14:19 - Sep 18 by itfcjoe
The cancel culture and censorship that had been prevalent from the left side of the culture war. The whole Kathleen Stock case where the Uni of Sussex ends up fined £500k for basically picking a side in a debate and silencing the other one and forcing those with those views to self-censor - it's now coming back the other way.

As a left liberal, I look on cancel culture as a liberal/illiberal issue, but there are clearly some on the left who I would regard as illiberal, just as there are people on the right who are illiberal.

For my own part, I believe in free speech subject to the criminal law. Indeed, I would never call for anyone to be cancelled but I am not sure that there are in practice that many cases of that happening in this country, although those that do take place do rightly get a lot of publicity.

And if we are looking at attacks on the left in terms of cancellation, the US has form on this in the form of McCarthyism.

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First Colbert … now Kimmel on 16:43 - Sep 18 with 525 views

lowhouseblue

First Colbert … now Kimmel on 14:43 - Sep 18 by reusersfreekicks
Not sure it's of the same scale as what's going on in the USA by the govt In your example the uni got fined

i think you're right that what is happening now in the US is different in scale and character. when the state gets involved in seeking to censor and punish speech and views which it disagrees with it is quite a different issue. it has a more frightening feel. a lot of what trump is doing is yet to be tested in court - and a lot of it is a second round effect where companies and institutions fear punishment and therefore self-censor.

but the issue in the uk shouldn't be underestimated - even though different. we have had a form on institutional narrowing whereby in key cultural institutions - universities, the arts sector, the not-profit sector, state agencies - only one political view on key cultural issues it acceptable. there is a narrowing of what views are tolerated and as a result a huge degree of self-censorship. people avoid controversial issues and if they have views that differ from the orthodoxy they keep silent. there have been many cases where such institutional narrowing has resulted n discriminatory behaviour by institutions which has been successfully challenged in the courts and in tribunals. my career has been spent in one of the types of institutions listed above and through practical experience i know this to be true.

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First Colbert … now Kimmel on 17:12 - Sep 18 with 418 views

bartyg

First Colbert … now Kimmel on 14:19 - Sep 18 by itfcjoe
The cancel culture and censorship that had been prevalent from the left side of the culture war. The whole Kathleen Stock case where the Uni of Sussex ends up fined £500k for basically picking a side in a debate and silencing the other one and forcing those with those views to self-censor - it's now coming back the other way.

Without knowing specific agreements, wouldn't they, as her employer, have some control over what she is teaching her students?

The ruling from the OfS focuses a lot on what are "lawful" views; “There were some views she did not feel able to express, and therefore teach, despite those views being lawful. Other staff and students may have felt similarly unable to express these, or other, lawful views, and not speak about or express lawful views.”

Sure, they are "lawful" but I don't see how what she is teaching in her classes isn't within the University's purview?

Also, price of eggs. What does that case have to do with anything?

First Colbert … now Kimmel on 17:28 - Sep 18 with 350 views

lowhouseblue

First Colbert … now Kimmel on 17:12 - Sep 18 by bartyg

"wouldn't they, as her employer, have some control over what she is teaching her students?"

the answer is no because of the concept of academic freedom, as enshrined by the echr and the 1984 education act.

First Colbert … now Kimmel on 17:30 - Sep 18 with 349 views

redrickstuhaart

First Colbert … now Kimmel on 14:19 - Sep 18 by itfcjoe
The cancel culture and censorship that had been prevalent from the left side of the culture war. The whole Kathleen Stock case where the Uni of Sussex ends up fined £500k for basically picking a side in a debate and silencing the other one and forcing those with those views to self-censor - it's now coming back the other way.

The uni was fined for limiting free speech? They key here being that in one place the state intervenes to ensure free speech. In the other, the state intervenes to the opposite effect.

Not remotely comparable.

Go and have a look at what Kimmel actually did and said. Nothing disrespectful about Kirk at all (though that would plainly be permitted under the constitution in any event). Rather he played a clip of Trumps response to being asked how he was holding up following Kirk's death- to which he excitedly talked about his new ballroom.

Criticism is being criminalised.

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