| So Donald for the Noble peace prize then? 08:22 - Oct 9 with 3134 views | bluelagos |
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| So Donald for the Noble peace prize then? on 10:07 - Oct 10 with 663 views | J2BLUE |
He hasn't won.
Gone to Maria Corina Machado, Venezuelan opposition leader. |  |
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| So Donald for the Noble peace prize then? on 10:15 - Oct 10 with 631 views | WeWereZombies |
| So Donald for the Noble peace prize then? on 10:07 - Oct 10 by Perublue |
Well deserved .. amazing woman |
I saw her being interviewed by Stephen Sackur on a HARDtalk episode a few weeks ago, and to be honest I didn't quite warm to her but felt intrigued enough to read the Wikipedia page about her. Completely revised my opinion and have to wholeheartedly agree with you. Wonder if it will irk Trump that it has gone to such an out and out liberal ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mar%C3%ADa_Corina_Machado [Post edited 10 Oct 11:50]
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| So Donald for the Noble peace prize then? on 10:20 - Oct 10 with 612 views | Pinewoodblue |
| So Donald for the Noble peace prize then? on 10:15 - Oct 10 by WeWereZombies |
I saw her being interviewed by Stephen Sackur on a HARDtalk episode a few weeks ago, and to be honest I didn't quite warm to her but felt intrigued enough to read the Wikipedia page about her. Completely revised my opinion and have to wholeheartedly agree with you. Wonder if it will irk Trump that it has gone to such an out and out liberal ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mar%C3%ADa_Corina_Machado [Post edited 10 Oct 11:50]
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The man child isn’t going to be happy. Tantrum incoming. |  |
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| So Donald for the Noble peace prize then? on 10:24 - Oct 10 with 598 views | blueislander |
| So Donald for the Noble peace prize then? on 10:20 - Oct 10 by Pinewoodblue |
The man child isn’t going to be happy. Tantrum incoming. |
He has the perfect excuse ready though. Nominations closed in January just a few days into his presidency, but,no doubt he will have something to say as it went to someone on “the radical left” |  | | |
| So Donald for the Noble peace prize then? on 10:37 - Oct 10 with 570 views | blueasfook |
| So Donald for the Noble peace prize then? on 10:07 - Oct 10 by J2BLUE |
He hasn't won.
Gone to Maria Corina Machado, Venezuelan opposition leader. |
Nominations had to be in by January of this year I think. But I would think he'll get one next year if the peace in Gaza is long lasting. [Post edited 10 Oct 10:38]
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| So Donald for the Noble peace prize then? on 10:43 - Oct 10 with 544 views | Perublue |
If he was to “lose” to anyone she is the best one he’d be most happy with as it’ll just embolden and validate his plans for regime change in Venezuela .., watch this space.
He was never going to win it this year I think he even probably … possibly knew that but regardless on how things go up until January next year ( the period counted) he’ll be expecting it next time round. |  |
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| So Donald for the Noble peace prize then? on 10:44 - Oct 10 with 544 views | blueasfook |
| So Donald for the Noble peace prize then? on 10:24 - Oct 10 by blueislander |
He has the perfect excuse ready though. Nominations closed in January just a few days into his presidency, but,no doubt he will have something to say as it went to someone on “the radical left” |
Well that would be wrong as Machado's party are centrists, possibly even a little to the right. | |
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| So Donald for the Noble peace prize then? on 10:49 - Oct 10 with 527 views | Perublue |
| So Donald for the Noble peace prize then? on 10:44 - Oct 10 by blueasfook |
Well that would be wrong as Machado's party are centrists, possibly even a little to the right. |
And a lot to the right of Maduro | |
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| So Donald for the Noble peace prize then? on 10:54 - Oct 10 with 501 views | DJR |
| So Donald for the Noble peace prize then? on 10:37 - Oct 10 by blueasfook |
Nominations had to be in by January of this year I think. But I would think he'll get one next year if the peace in Gaza is long lasting. [Post edited 10 Oct 10:38]
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That may not be a plausible reason for Trump. 
But leaving that aside, it would be extraordinary if he had won it because there hasn't even been a ceasefire yet.
But if peace is still holding next year, and it all hasn't unravelled, I would agree that it seems he would be in pole position next year.
As an aside, there are reports that some in Norway are fearing repercussions. [Post edited 10 Oct 10:57]
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| So Donald for the Noble peace prize then? on 10:55 - Oct 10 with 497 views | blueasfook |
| So Donald for the Noble peace prize then? on 10:49 - Oct 10 by Perublue |
And a lot to the right of Maduro |
Quite! | |
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| So Donald for the Noble peace prize then? on 10:56 - Oct 10 with 490 views | soupytwist |
| So Donald for the Noble peace prize then? on 12:34 - Oct 9 by GlasgowBlue |
And it went downhill for Aung San Suu Kyi after she received the Nobel prize. |
That and her admission that it was listening to Dave "The Hairy Cornflake" Lee-Travis that kept her sane during her years of house arrest. |  | | |
| So Donald for the Noble peace prize then? on 11:54 - Oct 10 with 425 views | WeWereZombies |
| So Donald for the Noble peace prize then? on 10:49 - Oct 10 by Perublue |
And a lot to the right of Maduro |
Not so sure about that, Maduro seems so authoritarian that he can be quite plausibly branded extreme right politically. | |
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| So Donald for the Noble peace prize then? on 12:08 - Oct 10 with 394 views | blueasfook |
| So Donald for the Noble peace prize then? on 11:54 - Oct 10 by WeWereZombies |
Not so sure about that, Maduro seems so authoritarian that he can be quite plausibly branded extreme right politically. |
Authoritarianism occurs at both extreme ends of the political spectrum. | |
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| So Donald for the Noble peace prize then? on 12:12 - Oct 10 with 377 views | WeWereZombies |
| So Donald for the Noble peace prize then? on 12:08 - Oct 10 by blueasfook |
Authoritarianism occurs at both extreme ends of the political spectrum. |
No, once someone goes authoritarian they can only be repressive, rights denying and mealy mouthed, i.e. right wing. See Gorbachev's comments on realising Stalin was not a communist but merely an authoritarian:
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1987-11-03-mn-18452-story.html | |
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| So Donald for the Noble peace prize then? on 12:25 - Oct 10 with 349 views | Swansea_Blue |
| So Donald for the Noble peace prize then? on 10:07 - Oct 10 by J2BLUE |
He hasn't won.
Gone to Maria Corina Machado, Venezuelan opposition leader. |
Maybe he’ll win it next year I’d they overlook the millions of deaths his USAID cuts will have caused. |  |
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| So Donald for the Noble peace prize then? on 17:11 - Oct 10 with 222 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
But authoritarianism goes against many right wing principles of liberisation and freedom, without which capitalism cannot survive. Indeed European liberalism arose alongside capitalism. Communism by its very nature cedes freedoms and control to the state which makes authoritarianism almost inevitable. Most of the authoritarian regimes we’ve seen have arisen through communism, for example they tended to clamp down on religious freedom as that was in direct conflict with state control and messaging.
It’s an interesting perspective but not one that I agree with with. In fact, I wouldn’t frame current political trends in the west as even left vs right but rather a battle between liberalism and authoritarianism. There are many on the right that are libertarians, however Trump and Farage are effectively populists and borrow ideas from both left and right both economically and socially. Protectionism and anti globalism are ideas contrary to trade liberalisation and come from an economically left wing perspective, i.e protection of domestic jobs at a cost of economic growth. Whilst they also champion de regulation and low taxation which is clearly right wing. | | | |
| So Donald for the Noble peace prize then? on 17:22 - Oct 10 with 213 views | WeWereZombies |
| So Donald for the Noble peace prize then? on 17:11 - Oct 10 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
But authoritarianism goes against many right wing principles of liberisation and freedom, without which capitalism cannot survive. Indeed European liberalism arose alongside capitalism. Communism by its very nature cedes freedoms and control to the state which makes authoritarianism almost inevitable. Most of the authoritarian regimes we’ve seen have arisen through communism, for example they tended to clamp down on religious freedom as that was in direct conflict with state control and messaging.
It’s an interesting perspective but not one that I agree with with. In fact, I wouldn’t frame current political trends in the west as even left vs right but rather a battle between liberalism and authoritarianism. There are many on the right that are libertarians, however Trump and Farage are effectively populists and borrow ideas from both left and right both economically and socially. Protectionism and anti globalism are ideas contrary to trade liberalisation and come from an economically left wing perspective, i.e protection of domestic jobs at a cost of economic growth. Whilst they also champion de regulation and low taxation which is clearly right wing. |
I think you are confusing Liberalism with Libertarianism, a belief rooted in autonomy. Liberals can also have strong beliefs in a mutually beneficial state (as can their historical deadly enemies, the conservatives.) The right wing do not have a monopoly on freedom either, democratic socialism can value it highly, even communism would claim to give a type of freedom to all that is not available in societies with stark extremes in individual wealth.
What I have emphasised in my argument is that Maduro is right wing in the use of the state, specifically the army, to enforce his policies and suppress opponents (which is fairly common in communist regimes, contrary to the aspirations of Marx and Lenin ironically.) | |
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| So Donald for the Noble peace prize then? on 18:04 - Oct 10 with 190 views | DJR |
| So Donald for the Noble peace prize then? on 17:11 - Oct 10 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
But authoritarianism goes against many right wing principles of liberisation and freedom, without which capitalism cannot survive. Indeed European liberalism arose alongside capitalism. Communism by its very nature cedes freedoms and control to the state which makes authoritarianism almost inevitable. Most of the authoritarian regimes we’ve seen have arisen through communism, for example they tended to clamp down on religious freedom as that was in direct conflict with state control and messaging.
It’s an interesting perspective but not one that I agree with with. In fact, I wouldn’t frame current political trends in the west as even left vs right but rather a battle between liberalism and authoritarianism. There are many on the right that are libertarians, however Trump and Farage are effectively populists and borrow ideas from both left and right both economically and socially. Protectionism and anti globalism are ideas contrary to trade liberalisation and come from an economically left wing perspective, i.e protection of domestic jobs at a cost of economic growth. Whilst they also champion de regulation and low taxation which is clearly right wing. |
Without wishing to be pedantic, I am not sure your claim about authoritarian states being mainly communist, or even being left or right, holds up to scrutiny.
In Europe we had Franco, Mussolini and Hitler. There have been plenty of right wing authoritarian governments in Latin American. And there have been many authoritarian regimes in Africa some of which were not necessarily driven by political ideology (eg Idi Amin). And if you look at the Middle East, we currently have a military dictatorship in Egypt and many autocratic religious states such as Saudi Arabia.
I am currently working my way through the BBC podcast series Real Dictators and it includes historical figures such as Napoleon, Nero and Genghis Khan, as well as the usual suspects.
Interestingly, Russia remains authoritarian, as it has for much of its existence, even though it is no longer communist.
Finally 40% of countries are currently regarded as authoritarian according to the Democracy Index [Post edited 10 Oct 18:17]
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| So Donald for the Noble peace prize then? on 19:09 - Oct 10 with 133 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| So Donald for the Noble peace prize then? on 18:04 - Oct 10 by DJR |
Without wishing to be pedantic, I am not sure your claim about authoritarian states being mainly communist, or even being left or right, holds up to scrutiny.
In Europe we had Franco, Mussolini and Hitler. There have been plenty of right wing authoritarian governments in Latin American. And there have been many authoritarian regimes in Africa some of which were not necessarily driven by political ideology (eg Idi Amin). And if you look at the Middle East, we currently have a military dictatorship in Egypt and many autocratic religious states such as Saudi Arabia.
I am currently working my way through the BBC podcast series Real Dictators and it includes historical figures such as Napoleon, Nero and Genghis Khan, as well as the usual suspects.
Interestingly, Russia remains authoritarian, as it has for much of its existence, even though it is no longer communist.
Finally 40% of countries are currently regarded as authoritarian according to the Democracy Index [Post edited 10 Oct 18:17]
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The Soviet regime, puppet states, China, North Korea, Cuba, Iran, various regimes in Africa and Latin America can hardly be described as right wing though. I guess that effectively reinforces my point that authoritarianism can’t be attributed to either left, or right, and is an ideology in its own right. Stalin was no more right wing than Hitler was left. Both authoritarians with oppression of minorities, LGBT, political opponents etc in order to reinforce their ideology. Many of those authoritarian regimes in the Middle Easr are also driven by religious ideology rather than political.
Hence why my opinion is liberal vs illiberal views are what really define our current Western political situation. People from the left and right both need to oppose creeping authoritarianism. | | | |
| So Donald for the Noble peace prize then? on 20:22 - Oct 10 with 77 views | DJR |
| So Donald for the Noble peace prize then? on 19:09 - Oct 10 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
The Soviet regime, puppet states, China, North Korea, Cuba, Iran, various regimes in Africa and Latin America can hardly be described as right wing though. I guess that effectively reinforces my point that authoritarianism can’t be attributed to either left, or right, and is an ideology in its own right. Stalin was no more right wing than Hitler was left. Both authoritarians with oppression of minorities, LGBT, political opponents etc in order to reinforce their ideology. Many of those authoritarian regimes in the Middle Easr are also driven by religious ideology rather than political.
Hence why my opinion is liberal vs illiberal views are what really define our current Western political situation. People from the left and right both need to oppose creeping authoritarianism. |
I can't say I disagree with any of that.  [Post edited 10 Oct 20:22]
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