| Cajuste will be this week’s scapegoat 09:36 - Oct 18 with 1353 views | thebooks |
Thought we were poor last night, and a good Boro team deserved the win. Wished we’d have got Hackney.
I note Cajuste is getting a lot of the blame, but I thought Matusiwa had a worse game. He gave the ball away a lot.
But actually the problem was more tactical. We were playing well for the middle 20m of the first half, but lost our defensive shape completely.
Boro had the players to exploit that (especially Hackney), and overran and cut through our midfield with some really nice interplay to come up against a defence which had Furlong filling in the left back position, and no-one at right back.
After 2-0 it was the usual ineffective possession stuff.
We haven’t really bought well defensively either. Palmer (although appreciate his first half heroics), Kipre and Furlong feel like squad players, which we’ve picked up through Ashton’s contacts. |  | | |  |
| Cajuste will be this week’s scapegoat on 09:38 - Oct 18 with 1335 views | RIPbobby |
I don't think Jens was any worse than he normally is. Typical game by him in my eyes. Some good, some bad and some indifferent. |  | | |
| Cajuste will be this week’s scapegoat on 09:40 - Oct 18 with 1315 views | Pinewoodblue |
No time for scapegoats should be looking forward to two home games, |  |
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| Cajuste will be this week’s scapegoat on 09:47 - Oct 18 with 1274 views | cressi |
| Cajuste will be this week’s scapegoat on 09:40 - Oct 18 by Pinewoodblue |
No time for scapegoats should be looking forward to two home games, |
Most of the team never turned up McKenna needs to get things on track apart from the games v Sheffield United and Norwich who at the time of playing were poor we have not exactly excelled we lack a leader like Morsy and that team spirit to win at all costs. |  | | |
| Cajuste will be this week’s scapegoat on 09:50 - Oct 18 with 1259 views | waveneyblue |
Nah,now Greaves is out of the team, the honour has passed to Hirst. |  | | |
| Cajuste will be this week’s scapegoat on 09:52 - Oct 18 with 1233 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Cajuste will be this week’s scapegoat on 09:50 - Oct 18 by waveneyblue |
Nah,now Greaves is out of the team, the honour has passed to Hirst. |
I my defence on this one. Ive discussed my thoughts on hirst for a while.
Trying to keep it balanced. But would like to point out it's not scapegoating |  |
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| Cajuste will be this week’s scapegoat on 09:55 - Oct 18 with 1225 views | franz_tyson |
| Cajuste will be this week’s scapegoat on 09:38 - Oct 18 by RIPbobby |
I don't think Jens was any worse than he normally is. Typical game by him in my eyes. Some good, some bad and some indifferent. |
Agreed. This was quite typical game for Cajuste, for ,me. Agree that Matusiwa ( and others ) were below par. But why should we scapegoat Matusiwa who's been a shining light so far after a poor game?. The comments about Cajuste have been based on last night's games as well as his performances this season so far.
Just think Cajuste is over-rated but don't think he's to blame for last night as his performance was quite typical. Only difference is that others around him were below par. | | | |
| Cajuste will be this week’s scapegoat on 10:02 - Oct 18 with 1193 views | HighgateBlue |
Agree we were poor. Agree we'd be better with Hackney.
But when trying to identify "the problem" for last night's result, surely it pays to look at the single biggest factor that influenced the narrative and outcome of the game.
And that was Hirst missing the penalty.
Across the back 4, I thought that Davis had the weakest game defensively and made the most mistakes. I've seen Cajuste referred to as a luxury player, but his contribution and stats don't justify that analysis - what is the luxurious element of what he offers? For me, Davis is the luxury, in the sense that he offers a lot going forward, but leaves us liable at the back. If you're going to settle on that trade off, you need to do better than scoring one goal from a centre half header (straight from a Nunez corner, incidentally). Plainly Davis will stay in the team, because we literally have no other left backs, and I am not advocating for a change there.
But I think if we're looking for reasons for the loss, mentioning someone like Furlong is harsh. He may be unglamorous but I think he did less actively wrong than others. Kipre made an error for the first goal, but he has lots of credit in the bank after his last two home performances. |  | | |
| Cajuste will be this week’s scapegoat on 10:06 - Oct 18 with 1173 views | BloomBlue |
I don't think its about scapegoat as such. But as I said on another post a lot of fans said after the Norwich game having Cajuste & Matusiwa in this league is a cheat. Trouble is last night Hackney made them look like L1, while he was PL.
I think there was even a post on here yesterday claiming it was lucky we didnt get Hackney as if we had a good chance we wouldn't have one of Cajuste or Matusiwa. While I know it's only one game, but based on last night, give me Hackney over either any time.
You have to give credit to Edwards. He had his team setup to target our gaps, he also has them playing games with determination, aggression and speed. The amount of time they got the ball moved it quickly and suddenly 5 or 6 players swarming around our 4 defenders. We got the ball and had Hirst on his own surrounded by 4 defenders, 2 midfield and by the time we got support to him, Boro had the ball.
Norwich tried a similar style of letting us play the ball out to one of the midfielders, then swamp them, get the ball and play it into the gap left by a fullback moving forward, didnt work for Norwich. But Edwards had Whittaker & Burgzorg sitting inside more, and then as soon as Hackney had stolen the ball they ran into the channel behind the FBs.
That results in the right FB staying back more, while the LB storms down the left, and then we lose balance.
It kept happening in the PL last season and the Champ managers are using the same tactics. Trouble is without Leif bombing forward/overlapping we look toothless. |  | | |
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| Cajuste will be this week’s scapegoat on 12:20 - Oct 18 with 990 views | LeoMuff |
Cajuste has played premier league and serie a and is a Swedish international, he should be a stand out in this league not a passenger. |  |
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| Cajuste will be this week’s scapegoat on 12:31 - Oct 18 with 966 views | Illinoisblue |
| Cajuste will be this week’s scapegoat on 12:20 - Oct 18 by LeoMuff |
Cajuste has played premier league and serie a and is a Swedish international, he should be a stand out in this league not a passenger. |
I’m not convinced he’s fully fit. Looked way off the pace last night and once again too easily knocked off the ball. |  |
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| Cajuste will be this week’s scapegoat on 12:39 - Oct 18 with 941 views | jas0999 |
| Cajuste will be this week’s scapegoat on 12:31 - Oct 18 by Illinoisblue |
I’m not convinced he’s fully fit. Looked way off the pace last night and once again too easily knocked off the ball. |
I agree.
But the question is why not? It’s mid October. | | | |
| Cajuste will be this week’s scapegoat on 12:50 - Oct 18 with 901 views | franz_tyson |
| Cajuste will be this week’s scapegoat on 12:31 - Oct 18 by Illinoisblue |
I’m not convinced he’s fully fit. Looked way off the pace last night and once again too easily knocked off the ball. |
Then why play him? He must be assessed by our fitness staff as good to go.
There are some players who can get away with it and influence a game at 80% fitness, but not this guy. He's not that influential a player. If he's not fit, don't play him.
Even last season, I wouldn't call him dynamic. Not really sure what he gives us..... but apparently he's too good for this division. I read some stuff from some fans who tell me how amazing he is .... but I still don't see it ( apart from the odd bit of magic).
If I could remember a period where he was consistently good then I could use that as a reference, but I can't. He does high quality things at random...... but is mostly very average. | | | |
| Cajuste will be this week’s scapegoat on 12:51 - Oct 18 with 895 views | ernie |
| Cajuste will be this week’s scapegoat on 12:20 - Oct 18 by LeoMuff |
Cajuste has played premier league and serie a and is a Swedish international, he should be a stand out in this league not a passenger. |
He wasn’t that great in the premier league and how many games has he played in Serie A | | | |
| Cajuste will be this week’s scapegoat on 13:05 - Oct 18 with 860 views | DavoIPB |
| Cajuste will be this week’s scapegoat on 12:50 - Oct 18 by franz_tyson |
Then why play him? He must be assessed by our fitness staff as good to go.
There are some players who can get away with it and influence a game at 80% fitness, but not this guy. He's not that influential a player. If he's not fit, don't play him.
Even last season, I wouldn't call him dynamic. Not really sure what he gives us..... but apparently he's too good for this division. I read some stuff from some fans who tell me how amazing he is .... but I still don't see it ( apart from the odd bit of magic).
If I could remember a period where he was consistently good then I could use that as a reference, but I can't. He does high quality things at random...... but is mostly very average. |
His stats tell a difference story. Especially when compared to hackneys, especially defensively. He was ahead of Matusiwa in interceptions and is near top of the league for duals won. He looks like he doesn't care but he is usually very good at tracking back. Seemed to get frustrated last night after a while. He was breaking really well, getting away from their midfield but absolutely no forward options. Hirst does not make good runs off the ball. Totally agree he does seem to go missing after half time in games. Looked like yesterday they tweaked formation after 30mins and we were totally overrun in midfield. We didn't adapt. | | | |
| Cajuste will be this week’s scapegoat on 13:07 - Oct 18 with 852 views | mellowblue |
Justified criticism does not equal scapegoatism. It's a football forum. | | | |
| Cajuste will be this week’s scapegoat on 13:31 - Oct 18 with 778 views | mrshallisfit |
| Cajuste will be this week’s scapegoat on 13:05 - Oct 18 by DavoIPB |
His stats tell a difference story. Especially when compared to hackneys, especially defensively. He was ahead of Matusiwa in interceptions and is near top of the league for duals won. He looks like he doesn't care but he is usually very good at tracking back. Seemed to get frustrated last night after a while. He was breaking really well, getting away from their midfield but absolutely no forward options. Hirst does not make good runs off the ball. Totally agree he does seem to go missing after half time in games. Looked like yesterday they tweaked formation after 30mins and we were totally overrun in midfield. We didn't adapt. |
Begs the issue - is McKenna earning his corn. Remember, thats a huge bag of corn too. A whole mammoth silo. | | | |
| Cajuste will be this week’s scapegoat on 14:34 - Oct 18 with 699 views | bluesym |
| Cajuste will be this week’s scapegoat on 13:07 - Oct 18 by mellowblue |
Justified criticism does not equal scapegoatism. It's a football forum. |
Exactly this. |  |
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| Cajuste will be this week’s scapegoat on 16:24 - Oct 18 with 607 views | Churchman |
Furlong might have been poor last night, but I think he’s solid championship standard. Every player that plays that position has come in for criticism since McKenna has been here. I think it’s as much the way he sets the team up as anything else.
Kipre? Looked solid at home against weaker opposition. Big bloke, good character, fun to watch. I think he was brought in as a squad player and that’s what he is. Like Mick Mills I’m not convinced.
Palmer - ok for this level.
I’m not commenting on Cajuste - I made my views known before he signed and I’ve seen nothing to change my mind. Matusiwa is a good player and last night won’t change that. |  | | |
| Cajuste will be this week’s scapegoat on 16:29 - Oct 18 with 585 views | reusersfreekicks |
| Cajuste will be this week’s scapegoat on 12:31 - Oct 18 by Illinoisblue |
I’m not convinced he’s fully fit. Looked way off the pace last night and once again too easily knocked off the ball. |
Has he ever been? |  | | |
| Cajuste will be this week’s scapegoat on 17:11 - Oct 18 with 528 views | LeoMuff |
| Cajuste will be this week’s scapegoat on 13:31 - Oct 18 by mrshallisfit |
Begs the issue - is McKenna earning his corn. Remember, thats a huge bag of corn too. A whole mammoth silo. |
Well Cajuste certainly isn’t, must be on a huge wedge for the championship and 1 assist thus far 0 goals | |
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| Cajuste will be this week’s scapegoat on 19:22 - Oct 18 with 419 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Cajuste will be this week’s scapegoat on 16:24 - Oct 18 by Churchman |
Furlong might have been poor last night, but I think he’s solid championship standard. Every player that plays that position has come in for criticism since McKenna has been here. I think it’s as much the way he sets the team up as anything else.
Kipre? Looked solid at home against weaker opposition. Big bloke, good character, fun to watch. I think he was brought in as a squad player and that’s what he is. Like Mick Mills I’m not convinced.
Palmer - ok for this level.
I’m not commenting on Cajuste - I made my views known before he signed and I’ve seen nothing to change my mind. Matusiwa is a good player and last night won’t change that. |
I did warn a few when kipre made his debut. Those thinking he's more solid than greaves are in for a shock.
He's a solid squad player but he's known for his mistakes. This can vary between late tackles to bad passing to awkward moments and he's shown a few already with losing his man at corners, passing going wrong etc and sometimes looking about awkward with the ball.
I expect to see greaves back Tuesday. He is our best option next to oshea and between them their exp ga was the 2nd best in the league so it didn't need fixing.
I like kipre but agree with your thoughts in that he's good again average opponents | |
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| Cajuste will be this week’s scapegoat on 19:25 - Oct 18 with 414 views | FromReuserWithLove |
Not sure he’s a ‘scapegoat’ but people have rightly highlighted his rather casual performance last night. |  | | |
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