| Get in, Rache, lump on 'em...but tax the companies not the punters 12:00 - Oct 19 with 2800 views | WeWereZombies |
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5ydpmy7mj1o
It's a win/win isn't it ? If the government get a smash and grab windfall (over three billion pounds maybe) from taxing the betting companies and the opportunities for chancers to fleece the unwary are reduced. On top of that there is an incentive for seven and a half thousand people to get out of an immoral industry and retrain for more productive work. |  |
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| Get in, Rache, lump on 'em...but tax the companies not the punters on 17:20 - Oct 19 with 850 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Get in, Rache, lump on 'em...but tax the companies not the punters on 16:31 - Oct 19 by nrb1985 |
Yes of course.
It should simply be taxed as CGT so you can offset loses etc.
But to have no CGT on winnings seems bizarre. |
It really doesnt. The logisitics of tracking, taxing and calculating betting winnings as part of CGT would cost more to implement than it would bring in.
Just tax the betting companies properly. |  | | |
| Get in, Rache, lump on 'em...but tax the companies not the punters on 17:28 - Oct 19 with 806 views | J2BLUE |
| Get in, Rache, lump on 'em...but tax the companies not the punters on 17:20 - Oct 19 by redrickstuhaart |
It really doesnt. The logisitics of tracking, taxing and calculating betting winnings as part of CGT would cost more to implement than it would bring in.
Just tax the betting companies properly. |
If you want to solve a lot of the problem then tax the FOBTs heavily. This would get them off every street corner. There are only so many betting shops as they are 'only' allowed four of them in each shop.
They are the biggest issue. Whack tax up on those and online casino games to 60%.
Sadly this would still impact jobs but at least it would be solving the main bulk of the problem rather than just attacking the industry as a whole to settle a score. |  |
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| Get in, Rache, lump on 'em...but tax the companies not the punters on 17:40 - Oct 19 with 770 views | The_Romford_Blue |
| Get in, Rache, lump on 'em...but tax the companies not the punters on 12:27 - Oct 19 by J2BLUE |
Thanks for judging my career industry. Nice that you can so flippantly react to job losses.
Imagine if someone posted about being pleased pubs were closing.
(I don't work for Betfred but do work in the industry) |
I worked for betfred in the shops until 2 years ago.
And now am thankfully an odds compiler for an online unnamed firm (albeit most know who they are).
I think the reaction in the last 24 hours has been vile. Celebrating the closure of the industry and tens of thousands of job losses. Just disgusting. I’m in the very fortunate position that there’s only around 350 traders in the country so would be described as quite highly skilled. If we were forced to close, I’d be ok elsewhere. But that’s not a position I want to be in. And it’s important to note we’ve had to make changes of huge note as it is something that will cost us around 20% ish of our photos |  |
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| Get in, Rache, lump on 'em...but tax the companies not the punters on 17:52 - Oct 19 with 744 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| Get in, Rache, lump on 'em...but tax the companies not the punters on 13:52 - Oct 19 by DJR |
The thing that always puzzled me is that it was a Labour government (with a Chancellor who was a "son of the manse") which, with the Gambling Act 2005, introduced the greatest liberalisation of the gambling industry in a generation.
I personally never thought was a Labour thing to do.
EDIT: I came across this abstract from the following link.
"This article explores the forms of harmful practices and harms experienced by individuals since the implementation of the Gambling Act 2005. Employing the state-corporate crime paradigm as an analytical lens through which to examine the narratives of individuals who gamble and affected family members, and supporting secondary sources, it illustrates the ‘collateral damage’ that has resulted from an industry that embeds harmful practices as a means of capital accumulation. By providing insight into the often-hidden array of economic, physical, emotional, and psychological, and cultural harms that result from the entrenchment of a leisure culture that institutes ever more potent forms of aleatory consumption, the article offers a rare sociological critique of an industry that has been able to flourish as a consequence of an alliance between state and business."
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/13607804211072263
This is part of the conclusion.
"Under the Gambling Act 2005, the UK has rapidly developed into a gambler’s paradise. Facilitating rather than constraining gambling provision, the Act has served to consolidate a marketplace that is unencumbered by regulatory measures focused on minimising harm. Advertisements encouraging citizens to gamble are unremittent and help structure an environment in which gambling is increasingly normalised. Marketing strategies mitigate the dangerous risks posed by gambling, while constructing it as a life affirming and (potentially) life changing experience. Alongside the widespread promotion of gambling products and services, opportunities to gamble proliferate, with casinos becoming bigger, gaming machine numbers growing, and the penetration of the domestic sphere by myriad forms of remote wagering continuing unabated. In short, we are now sheep-dipped in gambling." [Post edited 19 Oct 14:07]
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Yeah, but the authors of that piece obviously haven't stopped to realise that it matters more when there's money on it.
And SkyBet voluntarily, under their voluntary code of practice, got Jeff Stelling to shout in an empty stadium about how many people have set a loss limit.
What more could they do?
It's almost like the authors of that piece want people to stop BEFORE the fun stops, not only consider stopping after the fun stops. | | | |
| Get in, Rache, lump on 'em...but tax the companies not the punters on 18:15 - Oct 19 with 711 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Get in, Rache, lump on 'em...but tax the companies not the punters on 17:40 - Oct 19 by The_Romford_Blue |
I worked for betfred in the shops until 2 years ago.
And now am thankfully an odds compiler for an online unnamed firm (albeit most know who they are).
I think the reaction in the last 24 hours has been vile. Celebrating the closure of the industry and tens of thousands of job losses. Just disgusting. I’m in the very fortunate position that there’s only around 350 traders in the country so would be described as quite highly skilled. If we were forced to close, I’d be ok elsewhere. But that’s not a position I want to be in. And it’s important to note we’ve had to make changes of huge note as it is something that will cost us around 20% ish of our photos |
Its an industry which is parasitic, however. It has been allowed to become normalised and pervasive and continues to do much harm. To be encouraged that it could start to be curtailed a bit, is not unreasonable. | | | |
| Get in, Rache, lump on 'em...but tax the companies not the punters on 20:41 - Oct 19 with 615 views | The_Romford_Blue |
The more I think about that last line.. the more I feel the need to tell you to p**s off.
You can focus on the harm it does to the minority who get addicted but it also brings joy to millions of others. To be so dismissive of people’s livelihoods where you’d be smug they’d lose their jobs makes you an absolute a**hole. Really disappointing no matter what background you have towards gambling. There’s people’s livelihoods at stake - albeit you clearly do not care because you’ve an agenda.
I won’t be replying further to this thread but I think it’s a pretty poor take to be so gleeful. | |
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| Get in, Rache, lump on 'em...but tax the companies not the punters on 21:24 - Oct 19 with 577 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Get in, Rache, lump on 'em...but tax the companies not the punters on 20:41 - Oct 19 by The_Romford_Blue |
The more I think about that last line.. the more I feel the need to tell you to p**s off.
You can focus on the harm it does to the minority who get addicted but it also brings joy to millions of others. To be so dismissive of people’s livelihoods where you’d be smug they’d lose their jobs makes you an absolute a**hole. Really disappointing no matter what background you have towards gambling. There’s people’s livelihoods at stake - albeit you clearly do not care because you’ve an agenda.
I won’t be replying further to this thread but I think it’s a pretty poor take to be so gleeful. |
Does it really bring joy?
What do people get from it?
Stress. Losses. And occasional endorphin boosts.
Im not dismissive- but this is an industry which is entirely parasitic. The product sold is one which gives people nothing and takes their money, whilst preying on people who lack the self discipline to say no.
The shear number of betting shops in derelict high streets tells the story. | | | |
| Get in, Rache, lump on 'em...but tax the companies not the punters on 21:29 - Oct 19 with 568 views | portmanking |
| Get in, Rache, lump on 'em...but tax the companies not the punters on 21:24 - Oct 19 by redrickstuhaart |
Does it really bring joy?
What do people get from it?
Stress. Losses. And occasional endorphin boosts.
Im not dismissive- but this is an industry which is entirely parasitic. The product sold is one which gives people nothing and takes their money, whilst preying on people who lack the self discipline to say no.
The shear number of betting shops in derelict high streets tells the story. |
FOBTs are parasitic. I don't think you'd find many that disagree with that. But to call sportsbooks and bettors parasitic - successful ones that use strict bankroll/money management and size their bets commensurate with the risk/probability levels - is bang out of order in my book.
By and large, let people do what they want with their income. Responsible gambling tools are there for a reason though and they are increasingly being utilised, according to recent statistics. | | | |
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| Get in, Rache, lump on 'em...but tax the companies not the punters on 21:36 - Oct 19 with 556 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Get in, Rache, lump on 'em...but tax the companies not the punters on 21:29 - Oct 19 by portmanking |
FOBTs are parasitic. I don't think you'd find many that disagree with that. But to call sportsbooks and bettors parasitic - successful ones that use strict bankroll/money management and size their bets commensurate with the risk/probability levels - is bang out of order in my book.
By and large, let people do what they want with their income. Responsible gambling tools are there for a reason though and they are increasingly being utilised, according to recent statistics. |
If managing their risks etc was a succesful thing, the companies would not make a profit. Most people lose, consistently, over time. [Post edited 19 Oct 21:36]
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| Just checked my profit/loss for this year..... on 21:44 - Oct 19 with 554 views | Bloots |
| Get in, Rache, lump on 'em...but tax the companies not the punters on 20:41 - Oct 19 by The_Romford_Blue |
The more I think about that last line.. the more I feel the need to tell you to p**s off.
You can focus on the harm it does to the minority who get addicted but it also brings joy to millions of others. To be so dismissive of people’s livelihoods where you’d be smug they’d lose their jobs makes you an absolute a**hole. Really disappointing no matter what background you have towards gambling. There’s people’s livelihoods at stake - albeit you clearly do not care because you’ve an agenda.
I won’t be replying further to this thread but I think it’s a pretty poor take to be so gleeful. |
....I'm up just under £3k, not bad for a relatively "small stakes" gambler.
Last year I was up £27.00.
I've got a new method this year, top secret highly complex of course.
It brings me joy unbounded. |  |
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| Just checked my profit/loss for this year..... on 21:48 - Oct 19 with 533 views | vapour_trail |
| Just checked my profit/loss for this year..... on 21:44 - Oct 19 by Bloots |
....I'm up just under £3k, not bad for a relatively "small stakes" gambler.
Last year I was up £27.00.
I've got a new method this year, top secret highly complex of course.
It brings me joy unbounded. |
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| Get in, Rache, lump on 'em...but tax the companies not the punters on 21:48 - Oct 19 with 528 views | J2BLUE |
| Get in, Rache, lump on 'em...but tax the companies not the punters on 21:36 - Oct 19 by redrickstuhaart |
If managing their risks etc was a succesful thing, the companies would not make a profit. Most people lose, consistently, over time. [Post edited 19 Oct 21:36]
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Most people. You answered your own point.
I've been banned or restricted to £0 stakes with countless bookies. To answer your previous question it's brought me quite a lot of joy making a lot of money over the years. | |
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| Get in, Rache, lump on 'em...but tax the companies not the punters on 22:00 - Oct 19 with 496 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
I have a lot of sympathy with the position that gambling is harmful and the suggested taxation. However, isn't the issue that online markets based abroad cannot be taxed and so the tax was removed to make it a level playing field?
I don't know the answer, myself. I certainly think banning advertising would be good. |  |
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| Get in, Rache, lump on 'em...but tax the companies not the punters on 22:11 - Oct 19 with 460 views | Clapham_Junction |
| Get in, Rache, lump on 'em...but tax the companies not the punters on 20:41 - Oct 19 by The_Romford_Blue |
The more I think about that last line.. the more I feel the need to tell you to p**s off.
You can focus on the harm it does to the minority who get addicted but it also brings joy to millions of others. To be so dismissive of people’s livelihoods where you’d be smug they’d lose their jobs makes you an absolute a**hole. Really disappointing no matter what background you have towards gambling. There’s people’s livelihoods at stake - albeit you clearly do not care because you’ve an agenda.
I won’t be replying further to this thread but I think it’s a pretty poor take to be so gleeful. |
The same could be said for all attempts to end harmful things – stopping the use of asbestos resulted in job losses. The phasing out of tobacco will do the same.
However, if people stop spending money on gambling, in all likelihood they'll spend most of that saved money on something else, creating jobs elsewhere. |  | | |
| Get in, Rache, lump on 'em...but tax the companies not the punters on 22:14 - Oct 19 with 451 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Get in, Rache, lump on 'em...but tax the companies not the punters on 22:11 - Oct 19 by Clapham_Junction |
The same could be said for all attempts to end harmful things – stopping the use of asbestos resulted in job losses. The phasing out of tobacco will do the same.
However, if people stop spending money on gambling, in all likelihood they'll spend most of that saved money on something else, creating jobs elsewhere. |
That said, I understand Rommy's position. He has a job he loves working with things he really enjoys.
I would support a ban on advertising (if it were something that was workable and I don't think it is), but I do get Rommy's upset with that stance. | |
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| Get in, Rache, lump on 'em...but tax the companies not the punters on 22:32 - Oct 19 with 419 views | J2BLUE |
| Get in, Rache, lump on 'em...but tax the companies not the punters on 22:11 - Oct 19 by Clapham_Junction |
The same could be said for all attempts to end harmful things – stopping the use of asbestos resulted in job losses. The phasing out of tobacco will do the same.
However, if people stop spending money on gambling, in all likelihood they'll spend most of that saved money on something else, creating jobs elsewhere. |
Us gamblers are such sub human scum we'd probably just give it to drug dealers instead. | |
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| Get in, Rache, lump on 'em...but tax the companies not the punters on 22:36 - Oct 19 with 408 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Get in, Rache, lump on 'em...but tax the companies not the punters on 22:32 - Oct 19 by J2BLUE |
Us gamblers are such sub human scum we'd probably just give it to drug dealers instead. |
That, or use it to take out a hit on lefty posters who opposed gambling on here.
For what it's worth I am on the "side" of thinking gambling evil. | |
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| Get in, Rache, lump on 'em...but tax the companies not the punters on 22:38 - Oct 19 with 399 views | J2BLUE |
| Get in, Rache, lump on 'em...but tax the companies not the punters on 22:36 - Oct 19 by Nthsuffolkblue |
That, or use it to take out a hit on lefty posters who opposed gambling on here.
For what it's worth I am on the "side" of thinking gambling evil. |
Most people are going to agree with many of the things you want. FOBT restrictions, advertising bans etc etc. | |
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| Get in, Rache, lump on 'em...but tax the companies not the punters on 23:23 - Oct 19 with 344 views | The_Romford_Blue |
| Get in, Rache, lump on 'em...but tax the companies not the punters on 22:14 - Oct 19 by Nthsuffolkblue |
That said, I understand Rommy's position. He has a job he loves working with things he really enjoys.
I would support a ban on advertising (if it were something that was workable and I don't think it is), but I do get Rommy's upset with that stance. |
Ironically you’ll find multiple posts from me on previous threads dating back 10 years on here suggesting a ban on FOBTs, stricter advertising rules and various other things.
Affectively celebrating thousands of people losing their job is scum behaviour though | |
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| Get in, Rache, lump on 'em...but tax the companies not the punters on 23:28 - Oct 19 with 322 views | vapour_trail |
| Get in, Rache, lump on 'em...but tax the companies not the punters on 23:23 - Oct 19 by The_Romford_Blue |
Ironically you’ll find multiple posts from me on previous threads dating back 10 years on here suggesting a ban on FOBTs, stricter advertising rules and various other things.
Affectively celebrating thousands of people losing their job is scum behaviour though |
I don’t think I have ever heard anyone say FOBTs are ok, but then I don’t know anyone who owns FOBTs. It’s disgraceful that legislation hasn’t seen the back of these particularly given the stand taken by Tracy Crouch. | |
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| Get in, Rache, lump on 'em...but tax the companies not the punters on 23:32 - Oct 19 with 312 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| Get in, Rache, lump on 'em...but tax the companies not the punters on 15:18 - Oct 19 by WeWereZombies |
It goes back much further than the modern disease of internet enabled gambling or any of the other methods enabled by the 2005 Act. I was there when the follow on of the addiction was made evident but as a seven year old I didn't understand what was happening, my childlike plea to Dad to cheer up had no effect. More than sixty years later I can still see the adverse results that have taken a great deal from my family's life, and a stark illumination happened to me in my working life when my Personnel manager almost taunted me about gullible farmers at The Belstead Brook Hotel. Other people do not always have that much sympathy for the lives of people affected by gambling. It's something to snigger about behind your back. So, no one died but everyone was poorer and things really fell apart.
The other incident is too recent and too raw to discuss at the moment.
And I do mean it, get the hell out of gambling and never indulge in it again |
Mate...
Sorry...
Sad to read that.
There's not really anything else I can say, but you have absolutely explained in a few sentences of personal experience what no amount of moralising or arguing could.
People's lives get ruined. Some people die. Many other, completely innocent bystanders have their innocence ripped from them too early in life.
It's a miserable trade and it trades on misery.
Sorry J2. I get that you are at the very thin end of it, and you have, genuinely done brilliantly well to turn a hobby into a profession.
But the skills you used and demonstrated are transferrable...
But it's not fair to personalise it on you, although you offered yourself as a representative of the industry.
You do you. But others with vastly different experiences of the damage gambling does will have incredibly black and white views on this.
I have witnessed the destruction in a professional capacity. I would start by banning all gambling advertising and sponsorship on every medium and format accessible in the UK.
Fixed Odds Betting Terminals are life-destroyers. Just ban them, or cap them at earning the minimum wage per hour, per machine, on average.
In would then implement an enforceable code of practice FOR BANKS.
All accounts r driving betting funds have to register and be flagged.
Nobody can bet more than 10% of their average monthly income into an account from that account in any month.
There's some simple stuff that would quickly drive down the damage. | | | |
| Get in, Rache, lump on 'em...but tax the companies not the punters on 23:36 - Oct 19 with 303 views | WeWereZombies |
| Get in, Rache, lump on 'em...but tax the companies not the punters on 20:41 - Oct 19 by The_Romford_Blue |
The more I think about that last line.. the more I feel the need to tell you to p**s off.
You can focus on the harm it does to the minority who get addicted but it also brings joy to millions of others. To be so dismissive of people’s livelihoods where you’d be smug they’d lose their jobs makes you an absolute a**hole. Really disappointing no matter what background you have towards gambling. There’s people’s livelihoods at stake - albeit you clearly do not care because you’ve an agenda.
I won’t be replying further to this thread but I think it’s a pretty poor take to be so gleeful. |
I wouldn't feel smug if the gambling jobs weren't there but if the people who were no longer employed in gambling were now doing useful work and living happier lives then I would feel that the World had moved one step further on towards positive outcomes. I can't have a perspective on any joy that might come about through gambling because I see that as a fleeting and hollow experience completely overshadowed by the difficulties that those around me have faced and I have witnessed for the last sixty years.
You can call me what you like but as I told J2 I mostly look upon life with a rueful smile these days and it's easy to forgive you because you are so young and with so much to learn. What you mistakenly take for glee is actually the deepest of ironies, because I do know that the mistakes that were made in 2005 will not be undone and that the suffering will continue. | |
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| Get in, Rache, lump on 'em...but tax the companies not the punters on 23:55 - Oct 19 with 289 views | The_Romford_Blue |
| Get in, Rache, lump on 'em...but tax the companies not the punters on 23:36 - Oct 19 by WeWereZombies |
I wouldn't feel smug if the gambling jobs weren't there but if the people who were no longer employed in gambling were now doing useful work and living happier lives then I would feel that the World had moved one step further on towards positive outcomes. I can't have a perspective on any joy that might come about through gambling because I see that as a fleeting and hollow experience completely overshadowed by the difficulties that those around me have faced and I have witnessed for the last sixty years.
You can call me what you like but as I told J2 I mostly look upon life with a rueful smile these days and it's easy to forgive you because you are so young and with so much to learn. What you mistakenly take for glee is actually the deepest of ironies, because I do know that the mistakes that were made in 2005 will not be undone and that the suffering will continue. |
Ahh great the classic ‘you’re young so you don’t know what you’re saying’ bullsh*t. Or perhaps I know what I’m saying and 100% stand by it.
I fail to see why you think people in the industry working are not living happy lives? I spend the day studying horse racing all day, making judgement calls about what I’m seeing as to future races and then create odds for races months down the line. My decisions this Saturday alone for Ascot were important to myself, the company and our tens of thousands of clients. And add to that I’m very well paid to do so and I’d say I’m pretty happy with my choice to be in the betting industry. I see it as the best job in the world actually and go to work every day genuinely feeling lucky that I get to do something I love. So you can suggest everyone involved in it is living a life of pain and suffering but I’ll tell you first hand I absolutely love what I do and would genuinely be devastated if I was forced to give that career up and go into hairdressing or some other thing I’ve no interest in.
Finally, I understand you have personal issues with gambling. I’m sorry for that. Genuinely. If I or anyone at our firm knew someone had any sort of issue, we’d put things in place within seconds. Whether that be contact, tools forced upon them or in some cases, permanent closure. You can blame the industry, and that is fine, but I will tell you that for every one person who has suffered from gambling, you’ll find tens of others that have no issue and enjoy it as a hobby. The same as drinking or weed. It’s not healthy perhaps in your eyes but people do it because it’s fun. In a world that isn’t.
You can say ‘I’ve so much to learn’ because I’m ‘so young’ but actually, I assure you I know the industry better than anyone in this thread and you being happy to see people being forced to leave a job I myself was in with that exact firm a few years ago, is poor form. Perhaps you have plenty to learn and ought to be less patronising and more listening to those who know more than you.
Regards,
The young one. | |
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| Get in, Rache, lump on 'em...but tax the companies not the punters on 00:11 - Oct 20 with 247 views | WeWereZombies |
| Get in, Rache, lump on 'em...but tax the companies not the punters on 23:55 - Oct 19 by The_Romford_Blue |
Ahh great the classic ‘you’re young so you don’t know what you’re saying’ bullsh*t. Or perhaps I know what I’m saying and 100% stand by it.
I fail to see why you think people in the industry working are not living happy lives? I spend the day studying horse racing all day, making judgement calls about what I’m seeing as to future races and then create odds for races months down the line. My decisions this Saturday alone for Ascot were important to myself, the company and our tens of thousands of clients. And add to that I’m very well paid to do so and I’d say I’m pretty happy with my choice to be in the betting industry. I see it as the best job in the world actually and go to work every day genuinely feeling lucky that I get to do something I love. So you can suggest everyone involved in it is living a life of pain and suffering but I’ll tell you first hand I absolutely love what I do and would genuinely be devastated if I was forced to give that career up and go into hairdressing or some other thing I’ve no interest in.
Finally, I understand you have personal issues with gambling. I’m sorry for that. Genuinely. If I or anyone at our firm knew someone had any sort of issue, we’d put things in place within seconds. Whether that be contact, tools forced upon them or in some cases, permanent closure. You can blame the industry, and that is fine, but I will tell you that for every one person who has suffered from gambling, you’ll find tens of others that have no issue and enjoy it as a hobby. The same as drinking or weed. It’s not healthy perhaps in your eyes but people do it because it’s fun. In a world that isn’t.
You can say ‘I’ve so much to learn’ because I’m ‘so young’ but actually, I assure you I know the industry better than anyone in this thread and you being happy to see people being forced to leave a job I myself was in with that exact firm a few years ago, is poor form. Perhaps you have plenty to learn and ought to be less patronising and more listening to those who know more than you.
Regards,
The young one. |
Sorry but you have no idea of the issues and how little the panaceas that your 'industry' puts in place could right things - it is all far too late for that. But I am regretting it if I am making you feel bad about what you do, it sounds like it fills in your time very well. For what it's worth my sister, who I feel has been much more badly affected by our family's loss than I have been, is fairly scathing about my stance on gambling because I have a few investments.
In fact I am having to think about a strategy to mitigate capital gains tax on my Rolls Royce shares which are still riding near their peak due to Ukraine and Gaza. I inherited them from my one time Marxist uncle - whose retelling of an event that he witnessed during the Second World War in the Mediterranean convinced me to follow him into being a committed pacifist.
So if an unexpected but lasing peace broke out everywhere I wouldn't mind losing ten of thousands and if Rachel Reeves found a way of taxing betting so that all the funds went into alleviating child poverty I would be more comfortable about things. I have no abiding expectations that either will happen. Funny old World. | |
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| Get in, Rache, lump on 'em...but tax the companies not the punters on 00:21 - Oct 20 with 234 views | J2BLUE |
| Get in, Rache, lump on 'em...but tax the companies not the punters on 23:32 - Oct 19 by ArnoldMoorhen |
Mate...
Sorry...
Sad to read that.
There's not really anything else I can say, but you have absolutely explained in a few sentences of personal experience what no amount of moralising or arguing could.
People's lives get ruined. Some people die. Many other, completely innocent bystanders have their innocence ripped from them too early in life.
It's a miserable trade and it trades on misery.
Sorry J2. I get that you are at the very thin end of it, and you have, genuinely done brilliantly well to turn a hobby into a profession.
But the skills you used and demonstrated are transferrable...
But it's not fair to personalise it on you, although you offered yourself as a representative of the industry.
You do you. But others with vastly different experiences of the damage gambling does will have incredibly black and white views on this.
I have witnessed the destruction in a professional capacity. I would start by banning all gambling advertising and sponsorship on every medium and format accessible in the UK.
Fixed Odds Betting Terminals are life-destroyers. Just ban them, or cap them at earning the minimum wage per hour, per machine, on average.
In would then implement an enforceable code of practice FOR BANKS.
All accounts r driving betting funds have to register and be flagged.
Nobody can bet more than 10% of their average monthly income into an account from that account in any month.
There's some simple stuff that would quickly drive down the damage. |
To be clear, I have no moral issues with the work I do. I have no issue with people telling me to get out of the industry but i'm not going to do it because a few people on the internet say I should.
That sounds like it would be a lot of work for the banks. I don't think it would solve anything either. If someone with an addiction wants to bet they will find a way. There are a number of ways to get around that kind of restriction.
If you legislate UK bookies into the ground it won't solve the problem. There are tons of bookies accessible in this country which are registered in Malta or Curaçao. There absolutely should be tighter restrictions on FOBTs and advertising though. | |
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