| Dara O’Shea 10:21 - Oct 22 with 7366 views | The_Romford_Blue |
The most overrated footballer in the history of this club. And that first goal was the single worst bit of defending I’ve ever seen in my life. Absolutely schoolboy stuff from supposedly an experienced international.
His leadership or lack of is one of our fundamental problems as well |  |
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| Dara O’Shea on 15:52 - Oct 23 with 706 views | mellowblue |
| Dara O’Shea on 21:54 - Oct 22 by FrimleyBlue |
He's travelling backwards. Eyes firmly on the ball. He heads it exactly how he can head it. The fault lies with young and the lack of midfield cover to clean up after the header. No chance of him heading that to young.
The after bit tho is a mixed bag
Cbs are taught to delay the runner and show them the outside. Again he got no cover.
Easy for anyone to say go at him. But say he did and got beat and the player ran in free on goal he'd been moaned at for that too.
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No way that Young can catch the scorer once he motors he is far too wide to make the difference. Young is there to be headed to if O'Shea actually timed his jump better. Misread the flight. He allowed the striker to run at him absolutely unhindered, should have engaged on the basis 1/ Greaves was potentially covering 2/ he wasn't in a position to be able to push him wide. The player had the option to go outside or come inside, all the freedom in the world. As for Leif, he was not doing much wrong, I think he was covering any sideways ball to the striker. |  | | |
| Dara O’Shea on 16:17 - Oct 23 with 682 views | darkhorse28 |
And thus it begins. The ‘nodding dogs’ that followed Ashton and McKenna off a cliff .., still can’t process their ego’s role in providing ZERO balance, zero agency, zero accountability, and then it’s just finger pointing and over reaction.
Many have been pointing out our failure for over 12 months, they’re off the pitch, not in it.
Not saying your observations are wrong, but he’s not even the most over rated in our back four!!!
You’re right about him. But he’s still probably our best defender. So what does that say about us off the field?
And he is a good leader. It seems to be .., but 23/24 and ANY winning side has maybe FIVE or SIX leaders.
We had Mass, we had Sam, Chaplin, Burgess, Leif loves a battle, Burns even Wolf has more about him than say Greaves.
I think you’re projecting and picking in the wrong guy.
Why don’t you look in the mirror, then accept you were wrong about Ashton and McKenna - they were clearly a huge part of our success, but much LESS than you and many others invested in.
Let’s have it straight. THEY are the problem, specifically Ashton because he’s 35 years in the game and won’t ever be close to elite.
O’Shea.., whether you’re right or wrong.., least if our problems!!!!
Greves can’t head a straight ball that’s travelled 39 yards straight (Blackburn) and seems to want it to bounce 75% of the time before dealing with it .., everyone makes mistakes.., but our £30 million centre backs are poor at the basics.
Their fault?
Or the person that paid £30 million (let that sink in) and thought they were premier league quality???
Bournemouth signed two WORLD CLASS defenders for less.., one of thems at Real Madrid, and their new left back is as good as I’ve seen in years, also at that level.
They paid LESS than we did for EFL dross!!!!
Ashton and his WBA address book aren’t good enough.., never was.., never will be .., look in the mirror .., that’s why they’ve had it so easy.., you helped give them and them alone the keys to our club and they’ve set us back decades.
We still have the liabilities for these players.., premier league costs, for poor EFL assets nobody will buy…, you know the implications.., we all do.
It could set us back decades if we don’t sort this out soon.., it starts with Ashton.., and actual oversight.
No point blaming players.., any of them.
What you going to do?
Sell them and give Ashton and Mckanna another 3 windows and £200 million?? | | | |
| Dara O’Shea on 16:30 - Oct 23 with 659 views | Herbivore |
| Dara O’Shea on 16:17 - Oct 23 by darkhorse28 |
And thus it begins. The ‘nodding dogs’ that followed Ashton and McKenna off a cliff .., still can’t process their ego’s role in providing ZERO balance, zero agency, zero accountability, and then it’s just finger pointing and over reaction.
Many have been pointing out our failure for over 12 months, they’re off the pitch, not in it.
Not saying your observations are wrong, but he’s not even the most over rated in our back four!!!
You’re right about him. But he’s still probably our best defender. So what does that say about us off the field?
And he is a good leader. It seems to be .., but 23/24 and ANY winning side has maybe FIVE or SIX leaders.
We had Mass, we had Sam, Chaplin, Burgess, Leif loves a battle, Burns even Wolf has more about him than say Greaves.
I think you’re projecting and picking in the wrong guy.
Why don’t you look in the mirror, then accept you were wrong about Ashton and McKenna - they were clearly a huge part of our success, but much LESS than you and many others invested in.
Let’s have it straight. THEY are the problem, specifically Ashton because he’s 35 years in the game and won’t ever be close to elite.
O’Shea.., whether you’re right or wrong.., least if our problems!!!!
Greves can’t head a straight ball that’s travelled 39 yards straight (Blackburn) and seems to want it to bounce 75% of the time before dealing with it .., everyone makes mistakes.., but our £30 million centre backs are poor at the basics.
Their fault?
Or the person that paid £30 million (let that sink in) and thought they were premier league quality???
Bournemouth signed two WORLD CLASS defenders for less.., one of thems at Real Madrid, and their new left back is as good as I’ve seen in years, also at that level.
They paid LESS than we did for EFL dross!!!!
Ashton and his WBA address book aren’t good enough.., never was.., never will be .., look in the mirror .., that’s why they’ve had it so easy.., you helped give them and them alone the keys to our club and they’ve set us back decades.
We still have the liabilities for these players.., premier league costs, for poor EFL assets nobody will buy…, you know the implications.., we all do.
It could set us back decades if we don’t sort this out soon.., it starts with Ashton.., and actual oversight.
No point blaming players.., any of them.
What you going to do?
Sell them and give Ashton and Mckanna another 3 windows and £200 million?? |
And they all lived happily ever after. |  |
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| Dara O’Shea on 17:52 - Oct 23 with 594 views | braveblue |
Nonsense. So over the top. | | | |
| Dara O’Shea on 18:17 - Oct 23 with 564 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Dara O’Shea on 15:52 - Oct 23 by mellowblue |
No way that Young can catch the scorer once he motors he is far too wide to make the difference. Young is there to be headed to if O'Shea actually timed his jump better. Misread the flight. He allowed the striker to run at him absolutely unhindered, should have engaged on the basis 1/ Greaves was potentially covering 2/ he wasn't in a position to be able to push him wide. The player had the option to go outside or come inside, all the freedom in the world. As for Leif, he was not doing much wrong, I think he was covering any sideways ball to the striker. |
Clearly we see it very differently
Young wouldn't have caught him but young should have dropped into the gap left by midfield so he could have got the obvious nod away from oshea.
Greaves was covering the other striker, davis jogged to nowhere tbh. If he sprinted he could have either caught up and helped oshea or he could have covered the other striker to allow greaves to shuffle over. We've seen his speed up the other end. It's a shame he didn't show it in this goal he could have helped prevent it in some form. It's not all down to 1 persons action. |  |
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| Dara O’Shea on 18:27 - Oct 23 with 548 views | MattinLondon |
| Dara O’Shea on 16:17 - Oct 23 by darkhorse28 |
And thus it begins. The ‘nodding dogs’ that followed Ashton and McKenna off a cliff .., still can’t process their ego’s role in providing ZERO balance, zero agency, zero accountability, and then it’s just finger pointing and over reaction.
Many have been pointing out our failure for over 12 months, they’re off the pitch, not in it.
Not saying your observations are wrong, but he’s not even the most over rated in our back four!!!
You’re right about him. But he’s still probably our best defender. So what does that say about us off the field?
And he is a good leader. It seems to be .., but 23/24 and ANY winning side has maybe FIVE or SIX leaders.
We had Mass, we had Sam, Chaplin, Burgess, Leif loves a battle, Burns even Wolf has more about him than say Greaves.
I think you’re projecting and picking in the wrong guy.
Why don’t you look in the mirror, then accept you were wrong about Ashton and McKenna - they were clearly a huge part of our success, but much LESS than you and many others invested in.
Let’s have it straight. THEY are the problem, specifically Ashton because he’s 35 years in the game and won’t ever be close to elite.
O’Shea.., whether you’re right or wrong.., least if our problems!!!!
Greves can’t head a straight ball that’s travelled 39 yards straight (Blackburn) and seems to want it to bounce 75% of the time before dealing with it .., everyone makes mistakes.., but our £30 million centre backs are poor at the basics.
Their fault?
Or the person that paid £30 million (let that sink in) and thought they were premier league quality???
Bournemouth signed two WORLD CLASS defenders for less.., one of thems at Real Madrid, and their new left back is as good as I’ve seen in years, also at that level.
They paid LESS than we did for EFL dross!!!!
Ashton and his WBA address book aren’t good enough.., never was.., never will be .., look in the mirror .., that’s why they’ve had it so easy.., you helped give them and them alone the keys to our club and they’ve set us back decades.
We still have the liabilities for these players.., premier league costs, for poor EFL assets nobody will buy…, you know the implications.., we all do.
It could set us back decades if we don’t sort this out soon.., it starts with Ashton.., and actual oversight.
No point blaming players.., any of them.
What you going to do?
Sell them and give Ashton and Mckanna another 3 windows and £200 million?? |
Parklife. |  | | |
| Dara O’Shea on 18:35 - Oct 23 with 534 views | Herbivore |
| Dara O’Shea on 18:17 - Oct 23 by FrimleyBlue |
Clearly we see it very differently
Young wouldn't have caught him but young should have dropped into the gap left by midfield so he could have got the obvious nod away from oshea.
Greaves was covering the other striker, davis jogged to nowhere tbh. If he sprinted he could have either caught up and helped oshea or he could have covered the other striker to allow greaves to shuffle over. We've seen his speed up the other end. It's a shame he didn't show it in this goal he could have helped prevent it in some form. It's not all down to 1 persons action. |
Some incredible mental gymnastics here to try and deflect from the absolutely shocking defending from O'Shea. It was a really poor first contact from him and then equally bad defending to just back off his man all the way to the six yard box. Davis not getting back quicker had nothing to do with us conceding that goal. | |
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| Dara O’Shea on 18:43 - Oct 23 with 525 views | PositivelyPortman |
The first was goal was entirely down to his poor header and lack of a tackle constantly backing off.
The third goal he just stands there pointing.
Both him and Greaves were the biggest waste of money.
How on earth KMac made him captain is beyond me. A captain is supposed to lead by example ffs.
He’s clueless |  |
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| Dara O’Shea on 19:04 - Oct 23 with 493 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Dara O’Shea on 18:35 - Oct 23 by Herbivore |
Some incredible mental gymnastics here to try and deflect from the absolutely shocking defending from O'Shea. It was a really poor first contact from him and then equally bad defending to just back off his man all the way to the six yard box. Davis not getting back quicker had nothing to do with us conceding that goal. |
Bet if davis was one of the new guards rather than old then people would say different imo. | |
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| Dara O’Shea on 19:10 - Oct 23 with 487 views | Herbivore |
| Dara O’Shea on 19:04 - Oct 23 by FrimleyBlue |
Bet if davis was one of the new guards rather than old then people would say different imo. |
Highly unlikely given that it's very, very obvious whose cock ups led to the goal. | |
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| Dara O’Shea on 19:13 - Oct 23 with 477 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Dara O’Shea on 19:10 - Oct 23 by Herbivore |
Highly unlikely given that it's very, very obvious whose cock ups led to the goal. |
Sure. | |
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| Dara O’Shea on 19:20 - Oct 23 with 451 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Dara O’Shea on 15:52 - Oct 23 by mellowblue |
No way that Young can catch the scorer once he motors he is far too wide to make the difference. Young is there to be headed to if O'Shea actually timed his jump better. Misread the flight. He allowed the striker to run at him absolutely unhindered, should have engaged on the basis 1/ Greaves was potentially covering 2/ he wasn't in a position to be able to push him wide. The player had the option to go outside or come inside, all the freedom in the world. As for Leif, he was not doing much wrong, I think he was covering any sideways ball to the striker. |
Can't catch him in a straight line but he could put pressure on from that side and potentially putting the striker off going left. Fine margins. Unacceptable from young. What if O'Shea got half a foot in and slowed him but young hadn't bothered to get back. | | | |
| Dara O’Shea on 19:20 - Oct 23 with 454 views | Bigalhunter |
| Dara O’Shea on 12:05 - Oct 22 by mellowblue |
spot the difference. Talking the talk or walking the walk. Any fool can pump the fans up on Derby day. |
And he was awful in the opening ten minutes of the Norwich game as well.
Giving it all the gob then started scuffing it everywhere.
If it’s him, Greaves and Walton on Saturday I think we’ll need three goals just to get a point. |  |
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| Dara O’Shea on 19:50 - Oct 23 with 420 views | waveneyblue |
| Dara O’Shea on 19:20 - Oct 23 by Bigalhunter |
And he was awful in the opening ten minutes of the Norwich game as well.
Giving it all the gob then started scuffing it everywhere.
If it’s him, Greaves and Walton on Saturday I think we’ll need three goals just to get a point. |
I think your talking shite, but that wont be the first or last time we disagree. |  | | |
| Dara O’Shea on 20:22 - Oct 23 with 383 views | Bigalhunter |
| Dara O’Shea on 19:50 - Oct 23 by waveneyblue |
I think your talking shite, but that wont be the first or last time we disagree. |
You’re.
Other than that, you’re quite correct, it certainly isn’t the first and probably won’t be the last time we see things differently, but it’s okay to disagree if you can manage it in a polite and reasoned manner.
You saw nothing lacking in O’Shea’s distribution and that threesome has your full confidence?
I assume you watched the Norwich game? Just like to clarify, because you were awfully vocal following the last game that you admitted you didn’t even watch…
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| Dara O’Shea on 20:31 - Oct 23 with 359 views | mrfixit426 |
| Dara O’Shea on 19:50 - Oct 23 by waveneyblue |
I think your talking shite, but that wont be the first or last time we disagree. |
He was pretty bad early on in the derby. Gave the ball away or kicked straight into touch at least five times in the first ten minutes.
I was thinking at the time, how can you be an inspirational captain when you're fumbling the basics. |  | | |
| Dara O’Shea on 22:22 - Oct 23 with 286 views | mellowblue |
| Dara O’Shea on 18:17 - Oct 23 by FrimleyBlue |
Clearly we see it very differently
Young wouldn't have caught him but young should have dropped into the gap left by midfield so he could have got the obvious nod away from oshea.
Greaves was covering the other striker, davis jogged to nowhere tbh. If he sprinted he could have either caught up and helped oshea or he could have covered the other striker to allow greaves to shuffle over. We've seen his speed up the other end. It's a shame he didn't show it in this goal he could have helped prevent it in some form. It's not all down to 1 persons action. |
I get your point on Young, However he obviously chose to make himself available an an outlet, assuming O'Shea dealt with what should have been a straightforward header.
Terrible goal to concede, let's just blame everybody. Seems fitting. | | | |
| Dara O’Shea on 08:13 - Oct 24 with 170 views | DJR |
Whilst I am not convinced that O'Sbea and Greaves are an upgrade on Woolfenden and Burgess, we are we are, and given O'Shea is captain we have to get behind him and hope a partnership emerges which is much more secure than it has been so far this season.
From what I've seen so far, that partnership might well be O'Shea and Kipre. |  | | |
| Dara O’Shea on 10:06 - Oct 24 with 122 views | The_Romford_Blue |
| Dara O’Shea on 18:35 - Oct 23 by Herbivore |
Some incredible mental gymnastics here to try and deflect from the absolutely shocking defending from O'Shea. It was a really poor first contact from him and then equally bad defending to just back off his man all the way to the six yard box. Davis not getting back quicker had nothing to do with us conceding that goal. |
Completely with you. There’s just no way anyone can look at that first goal and think it’s anything but incompetent defending from O’Shea. It’s near enough neglectful to just let their striker run 35 yards with it into the box untouched. | |
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| Dara O’Shea on 10:51 - Oct 24 with 99 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Dara O’Shea on 10:06 - Oct 24 by The_Romford_Blue |
Completely with you. There’s just no way anyone can look at that first goal and think it’s anything but incompetent defending from O’Shea. It’s near enough neglectful to just let their striker run 35 yards with it into the box untouched. |
If it's neglectful for a player to be able to run 35 yards then its completely acceptable to feel that two other players in the same area of the pitch could have done more to help after the initial header. | |
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