| Has the English patriots marching in Benidorm been done? on 18:32 - Nov 17 with 972 views | reusersfreekicks |
| Has the English patriots marching in Benidorm been done? on 15:50 - Nov 17 by GlasgowBlue |
And herein lies the problem. How many people know that stat? Why aren't the government highlighting that stat to counter reform propaganda? |
Incredible isn't it, how rarely true verifiable information comes to light?
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| Has the English patriots marching in Benidorm been done? on 18:37 - Nov 17 with 954 views | reusersfreekicks |
| Has the English patriots marching in Benidorm been done? on 16:04 - Nov 17 by lowhouseblue |
while your stats are correct as far as the go, from starmer downwards there has been a huge loss of confidence in the asylum decision process. certainly the process bares little relationship to the intention behind the original refugee convention and over decades courts have taken it in directions at odds with those original intentions largely against the wishes of policy makers and the public. i don't know about the lib dems, but otherwise all of the major parties agree that reform of the decision process is needed. a significant proportion of the asylum decisions now made go way beyond the original treaty. so your stats, while correct, are far from the end of the debate. |
Can you back up any of your assertions with information or evidence? Do you think we should send people back to war zones? | | | |
| Has the English patriots marching in Benidorm been done? on 19:03 - Nov 17 with 892 views | lowhouseblue |
| Has the English patriots marching in Benidorm been done? on 18:37 - Nov 17 by reusersfreekicks |
Can you back up any of your assertions with information or evidence? Do you think we should send people back to war zones? |
the is no public support for changing and widening the definition in that way. should everyone in every war zone be entitled to enter? that has never been the basis of refugee status.
in the end there has to be public support for the asylum criteria and assessments and that is lacking even without your desire to widen the criteria even further. the fact that migration, including small boats and asylum claims, is continuing at such a high level with majority public opposition to it expressed over years is contributing to the more general breakdown of trust in politics. [Post edited 17 Nov 19:04]
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| Has the English patriots marching in Benidorm been done? on 19:13 - Nov 17 with 884 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Has the English patriots marching in Benidorm been done? on 15:50 - Nov 17 by GlasgowBlue |
And herein lies the problem. How many people know that stat? Why aren't the government highlighting that stat to counter reform propaganda? |
I suspect it’s because they know that the Reform movement doesn’t give two monkeys about stats and facts. It’s always been very MAGA-light (‘alternative facts’ and all that).
Not that I’m defending Labour’s approach (even if that’s the reason, which it may not be). The erosion of trust in data and experts and the like is thoroughly depressing. [Post edited 17 Nov 19:55]
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| Has the English patriots marching in Benidorm been done? on 19:27 - Nov 17 with 839 views | FromReuserWithLove |
| Has the English patriots marching in Benidorm been done? on 19:03 - Nov 17 by lowhouseblue |
the is no public support for changing and widening the definition in that way. should everyone in every war zone be entitled to enter? that has never been the basis of refugee status.
in the end there has to be public support for the asylum criteria and assessments and that is lacking even without your desire to widen the criteria even further. the fact that migration, including small boats and asylum claims, is continuing at such a high level with majority public opposition to it expressed over years is contributing to the more general breakdown of trust in politics. [Post edited 17 Nov 19:04]
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You, I and the other rotten fella on here know very well that whether these human beings are 'illegal' or not is totally irrelevant and is the trojan horse for something far more disgusting. The R*form lot fully intend to remove as many brown faces from these shores as possible in the long term and a vote them leaves you complicit......but you know exactly what you're voting for. |  | | |
| Has the English patriots marching in Benidorm been done? on 19:33 - Nov 17 with 801 views | lowhouseblue |
| Has the English patriots marching in Benidorm been done? on 19:27 - Nov 17 by FromReuserWithLove |
You, I and the other rotten fella on here know very well that whether these human beings are 'illegal' or not is totally irrelevant and is the trojan horse for something far more disgusting. The R*form lot fully intend to remove as many brown faces from these shores as possible in the long term and a vote them leaves you complicit......but you know exactly what you're voting for. |
well that's very weird. i've always voted labour and will vote labour in 2029. been a party member since i was 14.
but you're doing what various people on here always do - you're claiming that, because it doesn't support your position, a reasoned discussion about immigration policy is motivated by racism. it's a dreadful way of trying to frame reasoned discussion. | |
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| Has the English patriots marching in Benidorm been done? on 19:44 - Nov 17 with 790 views | FromReuserWithLove |
| Has the English patriots marching in Benidorm been done? on 19:33 - Nov 17 by lowhouseblue |
well that's very weird. i've always voted labour and will vote labour in 2029. been a party member since i was 14.
but you're doing what various people on here always do - you're claiming that, because it doesn't support your position, a reasoned discussion about immigration policy is motivated by racism. it's a dreadful way of trying to frame reasoned discussion. |
No, i was saying anyone who votes R*form is racist. Apologies I wronly assumed you were a R*former without reading through the thread. | | | |
| Has the English patriots marching in Benidorm been done? on 19:46 - Nov 17 with 787 views | Kievthegreat |
| Has the English patriots marching in Benidorm been done? on 17:47 - Nov 17 by lowhouseblue |
i agree you can't have quotas for refugees. it will properly depend on what is happening in the world. but what we do need is for there to be public confidence in the process and criteria which decides the granting of asylum. the public, and politicians across the parties, do not currently have confidence that the courts are applying the right criteria or that they are consistent with the spirit of the original convention.
your 100k figure seems to me to be uncontroversial. but the fact is that we are contrasting that with net migration of 3 million in the last 4 years. |
The figure of approx. 100k is what I've read as the rate to keep the population stable. If you want to keep the proportion of working age people to dependents (critical if we want to maintain things like state pensions and fund vital services), I've seen suggestion more in the range of 200-300k. I think the best thing would be to peg the number to maintain workers to dependents ratio. Give it to the ONS and they can work it out for each coming year without politicians tweaking it.
Also while the 3 million figure is broadly correct for the last 4 years (I get more like 2.5mill, but estimates vary and have confidence ranges), that includes the 2 year spike for 2022 and 2023 (around 900k each). Net figures halved in 2024 (430k) and will likely be significantly lower again for 2025. Maybe in that 300k range. While it works well as a scary number, it obscures the large downward trend. It implies a growing problem, not a shrinking one.
Finally we have to deal with the Elephant in the room. There are legitimate concerns (as raised by most in this thread), but if they are allowed to be used as a smokescreen for the foulest elements in society, then the debate is not working. There are MPs in the house right now calling for net zero migration or zero immigration with very clear agendas behind them. There are calls for mass deportations, some even as party policy. Calls to revoke settled status and ILR from people who came worked and contributed to society so that we can ensure the UK is "culturally coherent". |  | | |
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| Has the English patriots marching in Benidorm been done? on 19:52 - Nov 17 with 754 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Has the English patriots marching in Benidorm been done? on 19:44 - Nov 17 by FromReuserWithLove |
No, i was saying anyone who votes R*form is racist. Apologies I wronly assumed you were a R*former without reading through the thread. |
And so you prove my point about the extremes on both sides of the argument. Anyone who raises genuine concerns over the levels of immigration is a thick racist. If everyone has that attitude then there is no chance of an open or civilised debate. |  |
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| Has the English patriots marching in Benidorm been done? on 19:56 - Nov 17 with 749 views | FromReuserWithLove |
| Has the English patriots marching in Benidorm been done? on 19:52 - Nov 17 by GlasgowBlue |
And so you prove my point about the extremes on both sides of the argument. Anyone who raises genuine concerns over the levels of immigration is a thick racist. If everyone has that attitude then there is no chance of an open or civilised debate. |
because R*form are 100% racist. Can have concerns sure, but R*form are racists, no debate to be had on that. Concern about immigration does not equate to R*form. | | | |
| Has the English patriots marching in Benidorm been done? on 19:59 - Nov 17 with 734 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Has the English patriots marching in Benidorm been done? on 19:56 - Nov 17 by FromReuserWithLove |
because R*form are 100% racist. Can have concerns sure, but R*form are racists, no debate to be had on that. Concern about immigration does not equate to R*form. |
But you assumed from Lowhouse's contribution to this thread that he was a reform voter (therefore racist) because he puts over a counter argument about the levels of immigration to this country. It's playground politics at its worst. | |
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| Has the English patriots marching in Benidorm been done? on 20:02 - Nov 17 with 723 views | FromReuserWithLove |
| Has the English patriots marching in Benidorm been done? on 19:59 - Nov 17 by GlasgowBlue |
But you assumed from Lowhouse's contribution to this thread that he was a reform voter (therefore racist) because he puts over a counter argument about the levels of immigration to this country. It's playground politics at its worst. |
Stop reaching, you're not the board authority.
I wrongly assumed he was supporting an earlier R*form comment hence my assumption - not because of the content of his post. I apologised for it. | | | |
| Has the English patriots marching in Benidorm been done? on 20:19 - Nov 17 with 685 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Has the English patriots marching in Benidorm been done? on 19:46 - Nov 17 by Kievthegreat |
The figure of approx. 100k is what I've read as the rate to keep the population stable. If you want to keep the proportion of working age people to dependents (critical if we want to maintain things like state pensions and fund vital services), I've seen suggestion more in the range of 200-300k. I think the best thing would be to peg the number to maintain workers to dependents ratio. Give it to the ONS and they can work it out for each coming year without politicians tweaking it.
Also while the 3 million figure is broadly correct for the last 4 years (I get more like 2.5mill, but estimates vary and have confidence ranges), that includes the 2 year spike for 2022 and 2023 (around 900k each). Net figures halved in 2024 (430k) and will likely be significantly lower again for 2025. Maybe in that 300k range. While it works well as a scary number, it obscures the large downward trend. It implies a growing problem, not a shrinking one.
Finally we have to deal with the Elephant in the room. There are legitimate concerns (as raised by most in this thread), but if they are allowed to be used as a smokescreen for the foulest elements in society, then the debate is not working. There are MPs in the house right now calling for net zero migration or zero immigration with very clear agendas behind them. There are calls for mass deportations, some even as party policy. Calls to revoke settled status and ILR from people who came worked and contributed to society so that we can ensure the UK is "culturally coherent". |
Broadly agree, although that 100k figure doesn’t seem sustainable. Last year the NHS was aiming to recruit over 50k overseas nurses (just nurses, no other roles). We also issued about 400k student visas. We’ve already crippled our universities (one of our largest and most successful export sectors) through this largely racist-driven nonsense. And that leads in to the lack of any “genuine concerns raised by most in this thread”. I can only see Luc saying we shouldn’t want people to risk the small boat crossings. Otherwise they seem in short supply. | |
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| Has the English patriots marching in Benidorm been done? on 20:31 - Nov 17 with 652 views | Kievthegreat |
| Has the English patriots marching in Benidorm been done? on 20:19 - Nov 17 by Swansea_Blue |
Broadly agree, although that 100k figure doesn’t seem sustainable. Last year the NHS was aiming to recruit over 50k overseas nurses (just nurses, no other roles). We also issued about 400k student visas. We’ve already crippled our universities (one of our largest and most successful export sectors) through this largely racist-driven nonsense. And that leads in to the lack of any “genuine concerns raised by most in this thread”. I can only see Luc saying we shouldn’t want people to risk the small boat crossings. Otherwise they seem in short supply. |
Agree about University and NHS. Our university sector should be a positive case, but has been villainised. People come from overseas, pay an absolute fortune for their tuition (which essentially subsidises British students). Then they either stay in the country as highly educated workers or they leave, but brought in far more than they took out financially.
Maybe "most in this thread" was doing a bit too much lifting, but I think there is also the concern about what are appropriate numbers. While I think the talk of unlimited migration is a bit of a strawman that no-one has argued for, it is reasonable to infer there is a point migration becomes unsustainable on the high end, just as there is on the low end that you've addressed. | | | |
| Has the English patriots marching in Benidorm been done? on 20:35 - Nov 17 with 635 views | bartyg |
| Has the English patriots marching in Benidorm been done? on 19:52 - Nov 17 by GlasgowBlue |
And so you prove my point about the extremes on both sides of the argument. Anyone who raises genuine concerns over the levels of immigration is a thick racist. If everyone has that attitude then there is no chance of an open or civilised debate. |
How do you tell the actual racist if they all bark the same? |  | | |
| Has the English patriots marching in Benidorm been done? on 20:39 - Nov 17 with 618 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Has the English patriots marching in Benidorm been done? on 20:35 - Nov 17 by bartyg |
How do you tell the actual racist if they all bark the same? |
Do you believe that anyone who raises concerns about the levels of immigration in this country is a racist?
I believe that immigration enriches us both culturally and economically. That isn't the case for everyone who lives here though and they deserve to be listened to and debated with rather than being completely disenfranchised and driven into the arms of the far right. | |
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| Has the English patriots marching in Benidorm been done? on 20:42 - Nov 17 with 610 views | Bigalhunter |
| Has the English patriots marching in Benidorm been done? on 15:41 - Nov 17 by GlasgowBlue |
Rather than constantly sniping from the relative safety of your keyboard, why don't you try engaging with benters?
BTW. This is what debating with somebody who holds different views to you looks like.
Has the English patriots marching in Benidorm been done? by Kievthegreat 17 Nov 15:38Your last paragraph is the correct, pragmatic solution, but also the political problem. The best way to stop the boats is to make it not necessary or worthwhile. Tories strategies got it wrong by trying to penalise the crossings while offering no alternatives, so it was still worth doing.
The logical solution would be to assess as many cases prior to arrival, such that it no longer makes sense to risk the journey, however Farage, Tommy Ten-Names, etc... would rage against it and would want the number accepted to be zero.
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‘why don’t you try engaging with benters?’
That’s a bit rich coming from someone who spent most of their previous tenure on here lobbing accusations around like confetti, from the relative safety of their keyboard…
As for actually engaging with him, as Kievthegreat has subsequently intimated, it is utterly futile.
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| Has the English patriots marching in Benidorm been done? on 20:47 - Nov 17 with 594 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Has the English patriots marching in Benidorm been done? on 20:42 - Nov 17 by Bigalhunter |
‘why don’t you try engaging with benters?’
That’s a bit rich coming from someone who spent most of their previous tenure on here lobbing accusations around like confetti, from the relative safety of their keyboard…
As for actually engaging with him, as Kievthegreat has subsequently intimated, it is utterly futile.
I’d have more chance of teaching the dog how to programme the washing machine. |
Come on Al. Just once post something nice. Or at least bring something to the party, rather than this tedious and repetitive poundland Statler and Waldorf act.
Edit. Best I put you on ignore for 24 hours. This is a good thread with a range of opposing opinions which is mainly being conducted in a polite and civilised manner. I'd like to continue in that vein and not rise to your constant sniping at other posters. [Post edited 17 Nov 20:56]
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| Has the English patriots marching in Benidorm been done? on 21:05 - Nov 17 with 535 views | reusersfreekicks |
| Has the English patriots marching in Benidorm been done? on 19:03 - Nov 17 by lowhouseblue |
the is no public support for changing and widening the definition in that way. should everyone in every war zone be entitled to enter? that has never been the basis of refugee status.
in the end there has to be public support for the asylum criteria and assessments and that is lacking even without your desire to widen the criteria even further. the fact that migration, including small boats and asylum claims, is continuing at such a high level with majority public opposition to it expressed over years is contributing to the more general breakdown of trust in politics. [Post edited 17 Nov 19:04]
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I was more asking for evidence that courts had acted contra to political will and public opinion. Don't courts just execute the law? | | | |
| Has the English patriots marching in Benidorm been done? on 21:13 - Nov 17 with 502 views | lowhouseblue |
| Has the English patriots marching in Benidorm been done? on 20:19 - Nov 17 by Swansea_Blue |
Broadly agree, although that 100k figure doesn’t seem sustainable. Last year the NHS was aiming to recruit over 50k overseas nurses (just nurses, no other roles). We also issued about 400k student visas. We’ve already crippled our universities (one of our largest and most successful export sectors) through this largely racist-driven nonsense. And that leads in to the lack of any “genuine concerns raised by most in this thread”. I can only see Luc saying we shouldn’t want people to risk the small boat crossings. Otherwise they seem in short supply. |
for me skilled workers in the nhs would always justify a visa. there are other shortage areas where the same would apply. what that doesn't explain is the now 1.4 million foreign nationals in uk between 18 and 64 who are economically inactive. it also doesn't justify low skilled immigration.
in terms of HE, and you've previously stated your interest in this, we have a problem nationally with certain HE institutions who have responded to their financial problems (yes imposed on them by failed government policies) by becoming reliant on income from foreign students, and then in turn expanding in order to take even more foreign students. foreign students have in turn been attracted in part because it, eg a masters, is a route to a graduate visa and if they can then keep it going long enough a route to pltr. this is a symbiotic relationship with both sides effectively exploiting access to visas. it isn't desirable or sustainable and as a justification for on-going high immigration it is the tail wagging the dog. | |
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| Has the English patriots marching in Benidorm been done? on 21:27 - Nov 17 with 472 views | Bigalhunter |
| Has the English patriots marching in Benidorm been done? on 20:47 - Nov 17 by GlasgowBlue |
Come on Al. Just once post something nice. Or at least bring something to the party, rather than this tedious and repetitive poundland Statler and Waldorf act.
Edit. Best I put you on ignore for 24 hours. This is a good thread with a range of opposing opinions which is mainly being conducted in a polite and civilised manner. I'd like to continue in that vein and not rise to your constant sniping at other posters. [Post edited 17 Nov 20:56]
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You seriously think that benters would respond to ‘something nice’
He was posting in favour of machine gunning immigrants in the Channel over ten years ago.
Fair play to you for trying to engage with him, I recall you tried that years ago, but do you seriously think his posts in this thread indicate that anything has sunk in during the subsequent years?
I don’t
Some people, however much you decide to defend them, are already firmly tucked into Farage’s top pocket.
Benters is one of them and his lack of joined up thinking might only finally, slowly dawn on him once he rolls up again at an NHS hospital and his mate Nige wants his credit card details… [Post edited 17 Nov 21:29]
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| Has the English patriots marching in Benidorm been done? on 22:01 - Nov 17 with 426 views | Kievthegreat |
| Has the English patriots marching in Benidorm been done? on 21:13 - Nov 17 by lowhouseblue |
for me skilled workers in the nhs would always justify a visa. there are other shortage areas where the same would apply. what that doesn't explain is the now 1.4 million foreign nationals in uk between 18 and 64 who are economically inactive. it also doesn't justify low skilled immigration.
in terms of HE, and you've previously stated your interest in this, we have a problem nationally with certain HE institutions who have responded to their financial problems (yes imposed on them by failed government policies) by becoming reliant on income from foreign students, and then in turn expanding in order to take even more foreign students. foreign students have in turn been attracted in part because it, eg a masters, is a route to a graduate visa and if they can then keep it going long enough a route to pltr. this is a symbiotic relationship with both sides effectively exploiting access to visas. it isn't desirable or sustainable and as a justification for on-going high immigration it is the tail wagging the dog. |
Economically inactive covers a huge range of reasons and causes. It includes students, people who've retired early, carers, stay at home parents and those with illness or disability. It's also worth noting that the rate of being economically inactive is lower amongst those born outside the UK vs those born in the UK 18% vs 21.5% and the rate for those born outside the UK is trending downwards, while the UK born rate is mostly stagnant or slightly increasing.
BTW, not sure on your source, but when I googled economically inactive migrants, google AI showed me a 1.4 million claim, but that google is fudging a bit as the source plays loose with it definitions. They remove students from the economically inactive numbers (not crazy), but add those seeking employment. Those unemployed but seeking employment are not classed as economically inactive because this is a transient category, i.e people are going to get jobs and lose jobs all the time or may have been active. Economically inactive is designed to only capture those not working or seeking to work.
This is where Google takes me for the claim: https://www.migrationcentral.co.uk/p/record-number-of-workless-migrants#_ftn6
Here is the underlying data they got economic active and unemployed numbers from: https://www.ons.gov.uk/file?uri=/employmentandlabourmarket/peopleinwork/employme
And here is the latest numbers: https://www.ons.gov.uk/file?uri=/employmentandlabourmarket/peopleinwork/employme
EDIT: Google fudged it by saying economically inactive. The source actually created it's own "workless" categorisation
EDIT 2: Another issue is that the data either uses Country of Birth or Nationality. The source of the 1.4 million figure uses country of birth because it avoids people who become nationals, but that has the error of including British citizens born outside the UK, so Boris Johnson would be in the non-UK category for example. [Post edited 17 Nov 22:06]
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| Has the English patriots marching in Benidorm been done? on 22:10 - Nov 17 with 392 views | lowhouseblue |
| Has the English patriots marching in Benidorm been done? on 22:01 - Nov 17 by Kievthegreat |
Economically inactive covers a huge range of reasons and causes. It includes students, people who've retired early, carers, stay at home parents and those with illness or disability. It's also worth noting that the rate of being economically inactive is lower amongst those born outside the UK vs those born in the UK 18% vs 21.5% and the rate for those born outside the UK is trending downwards, while the UK born rate is mostly stagnant or slightly increasing.
BTW, not sure on your source, but when I googled economically inactive migrants, google AI showed me a 1.4 million claim, but that google is fudging a bit as the source plays loose with it definitions. They remove students from the economically inactive numbers (not crazy), but add those seeking employment. Those unemployed but seeking employment are not classed as economically inactive because this is a transient category, i.e people are going to get jobs and lose jobs all the time or may have been active. Economically inactive is designed to only capture those not working or seeking to work.
This is where Google takes me for the claim: https://www.migrationcentral.co.uk/p/record-number-of-workless-migrants#_ftn6
Here is the underlying data they got economic active and unemployed numbers from: https://www.ons.gov.uk/file?uri=/employmentandlabourmarket/peopleinwork/employme
And here is the latest numbers: https://www.ons.gov.uk/file?uri=/employmentandlabourmarket/peopleinwork/employme
EDIT: Google fudged it by saying economically inactive. The source actually created it's own "workless" categorisation
EDIT 2: Another issue is that the data either uses Country of Birth or Nationality. The source of the 1.4 million figure uses country of birth because it avoids people who become nationals, but that has the error of including British citizens born outside the UK, so Boris Johnson would be in the non-UK category for example. [Post edited 17 Nov 22:06]
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it was ons data and excluded students. it's effectively neets. i admit i haven't look at the ons data for about 3 months.
yes we have economically inactive uk nationals - but why does our immigration policy bring in non-uk nationals who are inactive. how is that possibly of benefit to the uk? | |
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| Has the English patriots marching in Benidorm been done? on 22:18 - Nov 17 with 378 views | NedPlimpton |
| Has the English patriots marching in Benidorm been done? on 15:56 - Nov 17 by Kievthegreat |
While I'm flattered you picked out my post as a way to debate, I'd also point out there is a reason I didn't address any of Benters posts. He is not someone who brings nuance and perspectives. He is in my opinion a troll and very unserious.
I engaged with Luke because while he brought up points I disagree with or had issue with, but is actually advancing the discussion. Luke presented his thoughts and observations and actually spelled something out that could be discussed. Benters makes a multitude of single sentence, sometimes single word posts which while pithy, are just throwaway.
Could I respond to Benters? Yes, but I don't see the value in it. Not because he disagrees, but because I don't think he'd care what was replied to him. |
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| Has the English patriots marching in Benidorm been done? on 22:21 - Nov 17 with 369 views | Kievthegreat |
| Has the English patriots marching in Benidorm been done? on 22:10 - Nov 17 by lowhouseblue |
it was ons data and excluded students. it's effectively neets. i admit i haven't look at the ons data for about 3 months.
yes we have economically inactive uk nationals - but why does our immigration policy bring in non-uk nationals who are inactive. how is that possibly of benefit to the uk? |
That dataset includes "economically inactive" people who came to the UK in 1962, they could have worked their whole life up until last year and retired early. It also includes nearly half a million students who may have only been in the UK since the start of the academic year. Maybe they moved to the UK and became a stay at home mum while their husband works full-time. The thing is the data doesn't tell you the breakdown of why (except students) and it doesn't tell you when and for how long.
At the end of the day, the number of people who are economically active can never be 100%. However we can see in the numbers that those born outside the UK for more likely to be economically active than those born within it, so those migrants are increasing the UK's rates of economic activity, not burdening it. [Post edited 17 Nov 22:22]
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