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In an act of collective folly, the United Kingdom voted to lead to European Union across the world, our enemies celebrated and our friends despair.”
“We left Europe on a minority vote of 37% of the election after a referendum campaign that was packed with misinformation and misjudgment, it left our country poorer, weaker and divorced from the richest free trade market that history has ever seen. National interest was brushed aside by false hopes and promises”.
“False hopes and promises that even a cabinet dominated by front line Brexit enthusiasts was unable to deliver the promises they made, […] while the forecast damage of leaving the European Union has become only too apparent. The nation saw Project Fear become Project Reality very easily. It's no consolation that the majority of the public now overwhelmingly recognizes that it was mislead in their moments of triumph.”
“Brexiteers predicted other countries would follow their lead and leave the European Union. None have. All saw only too clearly that Brexit was packed with disadvantages, as we meet far from others leaving the European Union, as we meet nine further nations now wish to join the European Union, which is an apt comment on how the world saw Britain's decision.”
“United Kingdom once reveled, not long ago, within the memory of everyone present in this room, once reveled in being a leading member of the European Union with half a billion citizens and the undoubted first ally of the United States, the world's most eminent superpower. Today, we know we are neither, and so does the world”.
Anyone remember that bloke on here who just repeatedly parroted that line whenever anyone had the temerity to disagree with him and suggest some potential downsides to leaving in the run up to the vote?
Interesting speech by John Major on 12:00 - Nov 20 by J2BLUE
I don't think the US has a first ally anymore. They are just the bully in the playground now.
If anything, Trump would probably say Saudi Arabia or similar.
The US doesn’t have allies. It never did have once it became economically and militarily powerful. It had areas of exploitation, no different to powerful countries and entities of the past. Terms like ‘special relationship’ were spewed out by the likes of Churchill in full knowledge that it was a lie - but then his default as a politician was to lie as they did and do now. Nothing really changes.
The only reason the US matters is that this shtheap of a country is desperate and thanks to successive governments, defenceless in all but name (see report the other day). There is no desire by the government to do anything about it. A paltry aspiration that won’t happen 3% on defence spending by 2034 when we can’t even fulfil NATO commitments.
Everyone knows it including Putin which is why he taunts with spy ships and aircraft just about daily. So Starmer’s only option if he’s not going to bend that knee to Putin is to grovel around trump - who couldn’t give a monkeys.
Relevance to Major’s speech? Loose connection really. But a wrecked economy, confused weak policies, no leadership or anything else beyond ‘at least it’s not the tories’ does link to Brexit.
I was stunned when it was voted for then and more so when pursued on the basis of the people have spoken (37%) even after May and co knew it was a disaster at every level. They could have stopped the madness but had neither the wit or the nerve, despite what was before their eyes. They should be jailed for treason.
Even now the current lot don’t know what to do beyond handshakes, smiles and trying to look relevant. So like immigration, economy, defence you name it - talk, committees, reviews, no action beyond splendid lunches in the HoC restaurant. Party before the country whatever the cost.
The OP is interesting and Major’s speech absolutely spot on. Shame the remain campaign was so weak and pathetic. If somebody can list the benefits of Brexit I’d be very interested to read them.
To add insult to injury some of the same echo chambers that produced Brexit are now part of Reform headed by chief Brexiteer sadsack Farage. And people will vote for him and his sorry crowd. Rinse and repeat.
You couldn’t make it up.
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Interesting speech by John Major on 13:39 - Nov 20 with 1795 views
Interesting speech by John Major on 13:00 - Nov 20 by vapour_trail
Project Fear.
Anyone remember that bloke on here who just repeatedly parroted that line whenever anyone had the temerity to disagree with him and suggest some potential downsides to leaving in the run up to the vote?
I expect he’s much more reasonable these days.
“What is a club in any case? Not the buildings or the directors or the people who are paid to represent it........."
Please stop playing the 37% line. On that basis, the UK hasn't had a legitimate government for donkey's years. The non-voters don't count, That having been said, the Brexit referendum was a terrible idea, sold to Cameron because his advisors told him Remain would win comfortably. Taking such a big decision on the basis of a 52-48 split was daft. Nonsense was talked by some of the Brexiteers, but the Remain campaign was woeful, based on the negatives of leaving the EU rather than the many positives of staying. i'm not sure the EU is that popular among many other European countries, but the UK example has probably dissuaded some of the antis.
Interesting speech by John Major on 17:20 - Nov 20 by Radlett_blue
Please stop playing the 37% line. On that basis, the UK hasn't had a legitimate government for donkey's years. The non-voters don't count, That having been said, the Brexit referendum was a terrible idea, sold to Cameron because his advisors told him Remain would win comfortably. Taking such a big decision on the basis of a 52-48 split was daft. Nonsense was talked by some of the Brexiteers, but the Remain campaign was woeful, based on the negatives of leaving the EU rather than the many positives of staying. i'm not sure the EU is that popular among many other European countries, but the UK example has probably dissuaded some of the antis.
Cameron was promised Tory leadership backing in return for the referendum by Eurosceptic weasel Tory MP's. Its actually as simple as that in terms of how Brexit came about. The weasel MP's - Duncan Smith, Francois, Rees Mogg, Davies et al have some serious financial blood on their hands. I blame them and their ilk entirely for our current financial malaise. Covid and Ukraine are brexiteers convenient smokescreens.
Brexit has split voting constituencies and in the Red Wall areas the belief is now that Farridge is the saviour. What comes next really does not bear thinking about.
I heard on Nick Ferrari on LBC a South Shields based Reform voter labelling Nigel as the new king!! He was referencing hard up pensioners who Labour had tried to take the winter fuel allowance off as someone that Nigel will help. Like Nigel gives a shiny one about Ethel stuck in her one bed retirement home with a a one bar gas heater failing to keep her warm sipping meekly on a bowl of Lidl own brand tomato soup. Really some people are just gullible and stupid.
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Interesting speech by John Major on 19:26 - Nov 20 with 1245 views
Interesting speech by John Major on 17:42 - Nov 20 by peterleeblue
Cameron was promised Tory leadership backing in return for the referendum by Eurosceptic weasel Tory MP's. Its actually as simple as that in terms of how Brexit came about. The weasel MP's - Duncan Smith, Francois, Rees Mogg, Davies et al have some serious financial blood on their hands. I blame them and their ilk entirely for our current financial malaise. Covid and Ukraine are brexiteers convenient smokescreens.
Brexit has split voting constituencies and in the Red Wall areas the belief is now that Farridge is the saviour. What comes next really does not bear thinking about.
I heard on Nick Ferrari on LBC a South Shields based Reform voter labelling Nigel as the new king!! He was referencing hard up pensioners who Labour had tried to take the winter fuel allowance off as someone that Nigel will help. Like Nigel gives a shiny one about Ethel stuck in her one bed retirement home with a a one bar gas heater failing to keep her warm sipping meekly on a bowl of Lidl own brand tomato soup. Really some people are just gullible and stupid.
While Brexit almost certainly wouldn't have happened without Farage, he's actually been remarkably successful in transforming himself from a single issue party leader to a credible leader of an upstart party which will have a big role to play in the next General Election. Britain, like many mature Western countries, faces hard choices about whether it wants to become a high tax, socialist Scandi style country or else cut back hugely on certain government spending and entitlements. Labour & the Conservatives have tried to muddle along down the middle & the latest budget furore & the unpopularity of Starmer (and his Tory predecessors) shows this isn't working.
I'm not quite sure I see connection. One is a response to an obsessive weirdo who follows me around the board like a love sick teenager and the other is congratulating a good friend and fellow town fan who recived some very good town related news.
Care to explain?
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“What is a club in any case? Not the buildings or the directors or the people who are paid to represent it........."
Interesting speech by John Major on 19:26 - Nov 20 by Radlett_blue
While Brexit almost certainly wouldn't have happened without Farage, he's actually been remarkably successful in transforming himself from a single issue party leader to a credible leader of an upstart party which will have a big role to play in the next General Election. Britain, like many mature Western countries, faces hard choices about whether it wants to become a high tax, socialist Scandi style country or else cut back hugely on certain government spending and entitlements. Labour & the Conservatives have tried to muddle along down the middle & the latest budget furore & the unpopularity of Starmer (and his Tory predecessors) shows this isn't working.
He’s also pulled the rug from under Labour with some policies much to the left of Labour, such as upping the tax free threshold for lower earners, nationalising utilities, and reducing the interest paid to banking bondholders. Calling them hardcore capitalists simply isn’t right - their manifesto is all over the place in true populist style (much like Trump with his left wing protectionism of manufacturing jobs). Much of it is pie in the sky but it will appeal to those not politically engaged.
Labour at this point don’t seem to know what they stand for, so no wonder most voters don’t either…
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Interesting speech by John Major on 20:02 - Nov 20 with 1101 views
Interesting speech by John Major on 19:50 - Nov 20 by GlasgowBlue
I'm not quite sure I see connection. One is a response to an obsessive weirdo who follows me around the board like a love sick teenager and the other is congratulating a good friend and fellow town fan who recived some very good town related news.
Care to explain?
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I read it as a bit of a look at me post at the time, a private text would be the obvious way to congratulate a friend I would have thought. So the connection would be that you like to be noticed.
Edit... it also seems fair game for VT to call you out as you do have a certain air of certainty about being right on all things at all times but that's another matter.
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"They break our legs and tell us to be grateful when they offer us crutches."
Interesting speech by John Major on 19:50 - Nov 20 by GlasgowBlue
I'm not quite sure I see connection. One is a response to an obsessive weirdo who follows me around the board like a love sick teenager and the other is congratulating a good friend and fellow town fan who recived some very good town related news.
Care to explain?
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Maybe stick to your unfunny youtube posts as responses.
Start getting personal as you have done to me, abusively, again, and you’ll end up doing to someone who’ll get you banned. Again.
Interesting speech by John Major on 20:19 - Nov 20 by vapour_trail
Maybe stick to your unfunny youtube posts as responses.
Start getting personal as you have done to me, abusively, again, and you’ll end up doing to someone who’ll get you banned. Again.
Odd new approach….linking a song on YouTube that says what you want to say without actually saying it….
I seem to recall GB returned on a manifesto of having re-evaluated his life priorities and declared that he wouldn’t fall back into his bad old ways of arguing about nonsense with people he didn’t care about on a provincial football club forum…
Ah well..in for a penny…..
It used to great on here when people let me say whatever I wanted and giggled along - (Rough translation of post from un-named TWTD contributor, 2026)
Interesting speech by John Major on 20:53 - Nov 20 by Bigalhunter
Odd new approach….linking a song on YouTube that says what you want to say without actually saying it….
I seem to recall GB returned on a manifesto of having re-evaluated his life priorities and declared that he wouldn’t fall back into his bad old ways of arguing about nonsense with people he didn’t care about on a provincial football club forum…
Ah well..in for a penny…..
“What is a club in any case? Not the buildings or the directors or the people who are paid to represent it........."
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