| Portman road atmosphere 07:20 - Nov 23 with 4149 views | LegendofthePhoenix |
Whose job is it to generate positivity and noise at PR? Is it down to the players to start off by playing great and scoring to get the crowd into the mood?
Or is it up to the fans to just sing and create noise that lifts the players to greater heights?
Because the Wrexham fans were right it was football in a library yesterday. From the SAR, we could barely hear a squeak out of Block A and the SBR.
I'm an old fella with a failing voice, hence sitting in the SAR. But in my younger days, ebven when the football was not great the North Stand would generate noise and help the team. Which is how it should be. It just seems now that way too many fans seem to think it's the team's job to get them excited, and only then to join in. If the fans can't help the team, we will get what we deserve like yesterday. |  |
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| Portman road atmosphere on 13:06 - Nov 23 with 580 views | LeoMuff |
| Portman road atmosphere on 10:22 - Nov 23 by Ryorry |
I have just as much right to comment *on the TownTV broadcast* as I was listening to it and you were not. |
Of course, but your point about the atmosphere completely lacks credibility if you weren’t even in the ground |  |
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| Portman road atmosphere on 13:06 - Nov 23 with 580 views | Smoresy |
| Portman road atmosphere on 12:34 - Nov 23 by TresBonne |
I don't get to many home games now as I live away from Suffolk, maybe 5/6 a season, but I always sit in Block A with my mate when I do.
In there, it sounds loud as. Pretty much constant singing throughout - a lot of younger fans who make noise. But you literally cannot hear the SBR which is right next to you. It's quite rare that we get a song in time with them and often can be singing two different songs, drowning each other out. The acoustics of the ground are terrible.
There's been plenty of times where I've come out of Block A thinking wow, what a great atmosphere today. Then linked up with mates sitting elsewhere in the ground and they couldn't hear a peep.
Why this is the case, god knows - but I remember being in the Co Op stand for the Burnley FA Cup game years ago and thinking how loud the new singing section was and what a positive atmosphere they brought.
EDIT - Side note, we have also lost a lot of our chants due to players leaving this season! Easy ones too like the Liam Delap Ole Ole that everyone joined in with. Morsy song was great when belted out. Broadhead. We've got Super McKenna, still get people singing Ladapo in attack ffs. List goes on. [Post edited 23 Nov 12:36]
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I'm confident you wouldn't have left block A feeling that way yesterday, not after the first 20 minutes anyway. That isn't a criticism of block A: they do nearly all the heavy lifting and, when they do go quiet sometimes for extended periods, they don't redirect their energies toward being unsupportive. They just go quiet like most of the ground is most of the time. From my seat I can hear when the wider group is joining in, when it's just the core support, and when the noise stops.
Acoustics are suboptimal no doubt. It means a cluster of thirty giving it some can barely be heard in an adjacent stand, when in a perfect stadium that noise would travel. Thirty Brian Blesseds is what's needed, or a few hundred joining in. When a few hundred commit, wherever in the ground they be, that noise does travel, and when most of the Lower North can be bothered, lo-and-behold the sound is quite impressive.
I wanted to like the early post in this thread about building a "Kop" of our own, sounds great, but it would be an enormous waste of money without changing the location of many people. It would be akin to buying an obese person the best gym in the world. Let them come close to making use of an okay gym first before you consider dropping that kind of dollar.
It is what it is aha, and good teams can succeed in spite of their fans. By turning up in our numbers we at least contribute towards a healthy squad budget. |  | | |
| Portman road atmosphere on 13:24 - Nov 23 with 536 views | mellowblue |
| Portman road atmosphere on 10:16 - Nov 23 by The_Flashing_Smile |
No. You're slagging off the support of our fans at a game that you weren't at.
As one of those supporters I take umbrage to that. Everyone's entitled to their view on the atmosphere ...if they were there. You've repeatedly said Wrexham's support was good and ours wasn't (or words to that effect) despite not being at the game. It is impossible to properly gauge the quality, or otherwise, of a team's support through a TV or a radio, because you have no input as to where the microphones are.
I didn't particularly notice the atmosphere one way or the other - neither great or terrible. Others are quite welcome to disagree if it wasn't up to their standards - if they were at the game. If you weren't at the game you have no business commenting on the atmosphere. |
Oh come on, it is perfectly valid to comment on the crowd noise as heard on tv. It might not be an accurate or true assessment of reality or of experience from being there, but it is still an opinion. Does it really matter? Personally as with you I thought the atmosphere to be fairly flat, not terrible and certainly not great. But we have got used to 2 years of promotion and initially the premier season as a yardstick. At present we are not going to match that. At least it wasn't so quiet that you could hear the hum of conversation which it got to when the staying in the Premier dream was well and truly snuffed out. | | | |
| Portman road atmosphere on 13:25 - Nov 23 with 535 views | ernie |
| Portman road atmosphere on 12:38 - Nov 23 by The_Flashing_Smile |
You've left out the crucial word "more". As in it's not just about acoustics, but they are a significant factor.
And if you've never heard that before then I don't know what to say really. Maybe "wally's gonna wally". Because the poor acoustics at PR have been talked about since the new North was built. Feck knows where you've been during that time. |
We have heard it before but every time we hear it it’s BS. No such thing as ‘acoustics’ - just sitting nearer or further away from a certain group of supporters or there being no noise at all- as yesterday. | | | |
| Portman road atmosphere on 13:44 - Nov 23 with 512 views | Ryorry |
| Portman road atmosphere on 13:06 - Nov 23 by LeoMuff |
Of course, but your point about the atmosphere completely lacks credibility if you weren’t even in the ground |
How many times do i have to repeat that I was purely and simply reporting on **what was actually broadcast by TOWNTV**??! Nothing more, nothing less.
Kindly stop shooting the bloody messenger, thank you! (I don't mean just you). |  |
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| Portman road atmosphere on 14:20 - Nov 23 with 486 views | Matt_Netherlands |
It’s the amount of entitlement that does my absolute head in. I’m not trying to start a “super fan” debate but vocal people at PR who don’t go to many games stand out like a sore thumb during games like yesterday…
“Just get it forward and shoot”
“Azon is hopeless”
“We can’t even beat Wrexham!!!”
Really does my head in. Would imagine a fair number of the boos yesterday were from daytrippers. |  | | |
| Portman road atmosphere on 14:32 - Nov 23 with 471 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Portman road atmosphere on 13:24 - Nov 23 by mellowblue |
Oh come on, it is perfectly valid to comment on the crowd noise as heard on tv. It might not be an accurate or true assessment of reality or of experience from being there, but it is still an opinion. Does it really matter? Personally as with you I thought the atmosphere to be fairly flat, not terrible and certainly not great. But we have got used to 2 years of promotion and initially the premier season as a yardstick. At present we are not going to match that. At least it wasn't so quiet that you could hear the hum of conversation which it got to when the staying in the Premier dream was well and truly snuffed out. |
"It might not be an accurate or true assessment of reality or of experience from being there".
This is exactly my point. |  |
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| Portman road atmosphere on 14:34 - Nov 23 with 465 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Portman road atmosphere on 13:25 - Nov 23 by ernie |
We have heard it before but every time we hear it it’s BS. No such thing as ‘acoustics’ - just sitting nearer or further away from a certain group of supporters or there being no noise at all- as yesterday. |
Just saying it's BS doesn't make it so.
"No such thing as ‘acoustics’" LOL. Not if it doesn't fit with your negative agenda, no. | |
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| Portman road atmosphere on 14:39 - Nov 23 with 446 views | billlm |
| Portman road atmosphere on 07:26 - Nov 23 by The_Flashing_Smile |
In the North I didn't notice a problem with the levels of support... and I couldn't hear the Wrexham fans. I think it's more to do with poor acoustics than poor supporters, and with you being right next to the away fans you're obviously going to hear them better. |
I was in upper north all second half all you heard was Wrexham singing, and a little bit from us sporadically,
The players turn the screw early in a match it's generally good,
Nothing to shout about at hope lately seem lethargic stuck in second gear, |  | | |
| Portman road atmosphere on 14:43 - Nov 23 with 436 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Portman road atmosphere on 13:44 - Nov 23 by Ryorry |
How many times do i have to repeat that I was purely and simply reporting on **what was actually broadcast by TOWNTV**??! Nothing more, nothing less.
Kindly stop shooting the bloody messenger, thank you! (I don't mean just you). |
We know what you're "reporting". The question is why? What is your motive?
"The weather... didn’t seem to deter Wrexham fans"
"I could certainly only hear one set of supporters, & it wasn't us"
"little home support could be heard"
Just a few choice quotes from you on the subject. Why do you keep saying this stuff if you're merely reporting what you heard? Once would've been fine. That, I suspect, is why people think it's a bit more than "simply reporting". You are knocking the Town support and bigging up the Wrexham support, despite not even being at the game. That's what people feel is a bit off. | |
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| Portman road atmosphere on 14:56 - Nov 23 with 422 views | Ryorry |
| Portman road atmosphere on 14:43 - Nov 23 by The_Flashing_Smile |
We know what you're "reporting". The question is why? What is your motive?
"The weather... didn’t seem to deter Wrexham fans"
"I could certainly only hear one set of supporters, & it wasn't us"
"little home support could be heard"
Just a few choice quotes from you on the subject. Why do you keep saying this stuff if you're merely reporting what you heard? Once would've been fine. That, I suspect, is why people think it's a bit more than "simply reporting". You are knocking the Town support and bigging up the Wrexham support, despite not even being at the game. That's what people feel is a bit off. |
FFS.. Stop making stuff up/misrepresenting me. Your three "Just a few choice quotes from you on the subject" are actually the sum TOTAL of my supposed knocking of home support, in two posts. All my other posts have been replies trying to defend myself, clarify, or explain, mostly to you. And my *full* comment re the third one you quoted above was actually "yesterday was the first time this season that little home support could be heard on TownTV." - which many would take as a kind of positive.
At no point have I commented on the support or the sound of it **as it actually was for those inside the ground**.
The *only* thing I've commented on is **what was heard coming across the soundwaves via TownTV**. That's what you're not getting.
The ONLY reason I've kept repeating it is because you've kept denying that there's any truth in it, despite not having heard the broadcast yourself; or have ascribed ulterior motoives to me that I don't (and have never had, indeed I've praised Town support many times in the past); have implied that I'm lying; or because you've failed to grasp the point.
This was my original, innocuous, minor post, from which you have whipped up a major frenzy -
"Let’s hear mcdisappointment tell us we didn’t support the team enough again on 17:49 - Nov 22 with 1348 views Ryorry
Listening on Town TV audio, I could certainly only hear one set of supporters, & it wasn't us (& beore anyone starts, I'm physically unable to make the 450 mile round trip)."
Storm in a teacup - beyond ridiculous  [Post edited 23 Nov 19:11]
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| Portman road atmosphere on 15:06 - Nov 23 with 392 views | bournemouthblue |
With Liverpool, they used to say 0 - 0 was like a 2 - 0 lead (not any more, they are also quiet) but I used to say Ipswich was like starting 2 - 0 down and actually in recent years the atmosphere has been a lot more positive and vocal and it can get quite lively when we are playing well
However I don't think the atmopshere has ever been as good as the old North Stand days and ever since the rebuilds of the North and South stands, the noise isn't as loud at it's maximum
The new stands did a good job of upping capacity but definitely reduced the atmosphere. I know logistically it wasn't possible at the North Stand end but by not having a single tier kop style end of good size, we have massively hampered the vocal potential of the North Stand voice. |  |
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| Portman road atmosphere on 15:09 - Nov 23 with 385 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Portman road atmosphere on 14:56 - Nov 23 by Ryorry |
FFS.. Stop making stuff up/misrepresenting me. Your three "Just a few choice quotes from you on the subject" are actually the sum TOTAL of my supposed knocking of home support, in two posts. All my other posts have been replies trying to defend myself, clarify, or explain, mostly to you. And my *full* comment re the third one you quoted above was actually "yesterday was the first time this season that little home support could be heard on TownTV." - which many would take as a kind of positive.
At no point have I commented on the support or the sound of it **as it actually was for those inside the ground**.
The *only* thing I've commented on is **what was heard coming across the soundwaves via TownTV**. That's what you're not getting.
The ONLY reason I've kept repeating it is because you've kept denying that there's any truth in it, despite not having heard the broadcast yourself; or have ascribed ulterior motoives to me that I don't (and have never had, indeed I've praised Town support many times in the past); have implied that I'm lying; or because you've failed to grasp the point.
This was my original, innocuous, minor post, from which you have whipped up a major frenzy -
"Let’s hear mcdisappointment tell us we didn’t support the team enough again on 17:49 - Nov 22 with 1348 views Ryorry
Listening on Town TV audio, I could certainly only hear one set of supporters, & it wasn't us (& beore anyone starts, I'm physically unable to make the 450 mile round trip)."
Storm in a teacup - beyond ridiculous [Post edited 23 Nov 19:11]
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I haven't denied there's any truth in what you heard, not even once let alone "kept", so it's you who is making stuff up. And I haven't remotely encouraged you to keep telling us all you could hear was Wrexham and not us. That's all on you. If you have no ulteria motive to keep saying this then I'm not sure why you are.
I can't comment on what you heard or where the TownTV microphones are, but I can tell you, as someone actually in the ground, the atmosphere wasn't an issue for me. I could hear plenty from Town supporters and very little Wrexham. It wasn't great, but on a cold and wet day, during a 0-0 stalemate, it was nothing out of the ordinary either way.
As someone who was supporting his team, I think it's fairly understandable to be irked by someone repeating that we weren't very good when they weren't at the game and only at the mercy of what Town TV's mics could pick up. [Post edited 23 Nov 15:10]
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| Portman road atmosphere on 15:15 - Nov 23 with 374 views | Ryorry |
| Portman road atmosphere on 15:09 - Nov 23 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I haven't denied there's any truth in what you heard, not even once let alone "kept", so it's you who is making stuff up. And I haven't remotely encouraged you to keep telling us all you could hear was Wrexham and not us. That's all on you. If you have no ulteria motive to keep saying this then I'm not sure why you are.
I can't comment on what you heard or where the TownTV microphones are, but I can tell you, as someone actually in the ground, the atmosphere wasn't an issue for me. I could hear plenty from Town supporters and very little Wrexham. It wasn't great, but on a cold and wet day, during a 0-0 stalemate, it was nothing out of the ordinary either way.
As someone who was supporting his team, I think it's fairly understandable to be irked by someone repeating that we weren't very good when they weren't at the game and only at the mercy of what Town TV's mics could pick up. [Post edited 23 Nov 15:10]
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What utter bollox. Anyone who cares to read your mountain out of a molehill, terrier refusing to let go of a bone, dozens of "engagements" including downvotes across two threads on this, can see what's what.
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"I haven't denied there's any truth in what you heard, not even once let alone "kept", so it's you who is making stuff up"
Portman road atmosphere on 10:16 - Nov 23 with 1145 views The_Flashing_Smile
No. You're slagging off the support of our fans at a game that you weren't at".
Portman road atmosphere on 10:18 - Nov 23 with 1130 views The_Flashing_Smile
No you weren't. I mean, you've dressed it up like that, but clearly your posting on this topic is to diss the home support.
"And I haven't remotely encouraged you to keep telling us all you could hear was Wrexham and not us. That's all on you. If you have no ulteria motive to keep saying this then I'm not sure why you are."
I said it once
"As someone who was supporting his team, I think it's fairly understandable to be irked by someone repeating that we weren't very good when they weren't at the game and only at the mercy of what Town TV's mics could pick up".
I was supporting the team too. I did not say supporters weren't very good. I reported what could be heard on Town TV audio.
"If you have no ulteria motive to keep saying this then I'm not sure why you are."
Bizarre comment - I don't have one, what on earth ulterior motive could/would I possibly have??! I've been supporting Town, its players, managers, staff and fans since literally before you were born. If anything, I'm more usually criticised for being on the overly-positive, "happy clapper" side.
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| Portman road atmosphere on 15:16 - Nov 23 with 370 views | StNeotsBlue |
| Portman road atmosphere on 14:20 - Nov 23 by Matt_Netherlands |
It’s the amount of entitlement that does my absolute head in. I’m not trying to start a “super fan” debate but vocal people at PR who don’t go to many games stand out like a sore thumb during games like yesterday…
“Just get it forward and shoot”
“Azon is hopeless”
“We can’t even beat Wrexham!!!”
Really does my head in. Would imagine a fair number of the boos yesterday were from daytrippers. |
We have 22,000 season ticket holders, 2000 or so away fans, which leaves at best 5000 tickets spare. I don't believe this minority are the cause of the majority of the negativity. |  | | |
| Portman road atmosphere on 15:16 - Nov 23 with 369 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Portman road atmosphere on 15:15 - Nov 23 by Ryorry |
What utter bollox. Anyone who cares to read your mountain out of a molehill, terrier refusing to let go of a bone, dozens of "engagements" including downvotes across two threads on this, can see what's what.
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"I haven't denied there's any truth in what you heard, not even once let alone "kept", so it's you who is making stuff up"
Portman road atmosphere on 10:16 - Nov 23 with 1145 views The_Flashing_Smile
No. You're slagging off the support of our fans at a game that you weren't at".
Portman road atmosphere on 10:18 - Nov 23 with 1130 views The_Flashing_Smile
No you weren't. I mean, you've dressed it up like that, but clearly your posting on this topic is to diss the home support.
"And I haven't remotely encouraged you to keep telling us all you could hear was Wrexham and not us. That's all on you. If you have no ulteria motive to keep saying this then I'm not sure why you are."
I said it once
"As someone who was supporting his team, I think it's fairly understandable to be irked by someone repeating that we weren't very good when they weren't at the game and only at the mercy of what Town TV's mics could pick up".
I was supporting the team too. I did not say supporters weren't very good. I reported what could be heard on Town TV audio.
"If you have no ulteria motive to keep saying this then I'm not sure why you are."
Bizarre comment - I don't have one, what on earth ulterior motive could/would I possibly have??! I've been supporting Town, its players, managers, staff and fans since literally before you were born. If anything, I'm more usually criticised for being on the overly-positive, "happy clapper" side.
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You've not addressed anything I've written. I'll leave it there. | |
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| Portman road atmosphere on 15:28 - Nov 23 with 342 views | Ryorry |
| Portman road atmosphere on 15:16 - Nov 23 by The_Flashing_Smile |
You've not addressed anything I've written. I'll leave it there. |
Having had more time now it's dark, I've edited that post to add context. (Before the edit it had consisted only of the first paragraph, for anyone who hadn't seen it before).
The irony of your reply is that every time I've previously addressed what you've written has been taken by you to somehow be a "repeat" of my "slagging off" home fans. Couldn't make it up,
Serial waste of time with you when you just don't get something [Post edited 23 Nov 18:43]
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| Portman road atmosphere on 16:02 - Nov 23 with 294 views | cressi |
| Portman road atmosphere on 12:16 - Nov 23 by Herbivore |
Did you miss us battering Sheffield United 5-0? |
I was actually on holiday but watched abroad thing was to we scored we wasn't even good that night. And Sheffield at the time folded and we're atrocious. | | | |
| Portman road atmosphere on 16:02 - Nov 23 with 294 views | bournemouthblue |
| Portman road atmosphere on 13:25 - Nov 23 by ernie |
We have heard it before but every time we hear it it’s BS. No such thing as ‘acoustics’ - just sitting nearer or further away from a certain group of supporters or there being no noise at all- as yesterday. |
No such thing as ‘acoustics’, what a quote that is! | |
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| Portman road atmosphere on 16:02 - Nov 23 with 294 views | HatStand |
Yours | |
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| Portman road atmosphere on 16:10 - Nov 23 with 276 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Portman road atmosphere on 16:02 - Nov 23 by cressi |
I was actually on holiday but watched abroad thing was to we scored we wasn't even good that night. And Sheffield at the time folded and we're atrocious. |
Blimey, if you can't even be happy with a 5-0 win you might as well give up fella. | |
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| Portman road atmosphere on 16:12 - Nov 23 with 264 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Portman road atmosphere on 07:26 - Nov 23 by The_Flashing_Smile |
In the North I didn't notice a problem with the levels of support... and I couldn't hear the Wrexham fans. I think it's more to do with poor acoustics than poor supporters, and with you being right next to the away fans you're obviously going to hear them better. |
Uncomfortable fact. The atmosphere is really poor at Portman Road from home fans these days. It’s never been a very raucous crowd outside of a few areas of the ground but when they go quiet it’s pretty dead.
The excuse it’s acoustics is laughable really we’ve all heard that north stand back in the day even after it was rebuilt. West Ham in the playoffs, Arsenal SF etc.
Even when we beat Chelsea last year I thought it was just ok tbh.
We do sound great on the road though. |  |
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| Portman road atmosphere on 16:13 - Nov 23 with 262 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Portman road atmosphere on 16:02 - Nov 23 by bournemouthblue |
No such thing as ‘acoustics’, what a quote that is! |
Mind boggling, isn't it? TWTD never ceases to surprise.
I think I'm right in saying even the club are aware of it and have looked into what they can do to improve the acoustics. | |
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| Portman road atmosphere on 16:15 - Nov 23 with 250 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Portman road atmosphere on 16:13 - Nov 23 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Mind boggling, isn't it? TWTD never ceases to surprise.
I think I'm right in saying even the club are aware of it and have looked into what they can do to improve the acoustics. |
Are you ok Dolly? Truth touching a nerve. | |
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| Portman road atmosphere on 16:18 - Nov 23 with 237 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Portman road atmosphere on 16:12 - Nov 23 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Uncomfortable fact. The atmosphere is really poor at Portman Road from home fans these days. It’s never been a very raucous crowd outside of a few areas of the ground but when they go quiet it’s pretty dead.
The excuse it’s acoustics is laughable really we’ve all heard that north stand back in the day even after it was rebuilt. West Ham in the playoffs, Arsenal SF etc.
Even when we beat Chelsea last year I thought it was just ok tbh.
We do sound great on the road though. |
Given you live in America, how often do you actually get to Portman Road?
Not a dig, and the atmosphere could always be better, but I rarely notice it as a problem. Maybe I'm just hyper-focused on the game, but I don't think it's particularly worse than anywhere else.
Again, I've not said it's *just* acoustics. But they don't help. There have been numerous occasions where I've thought we were really loud in the North, only to read away fans afterwards saying they couldn't hear us. | |
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