| Although Eurovision 09:58 - Dec 5 with 1006 views | cressi |
Is crap No Ireland, Holland, Slovenia or Spain
Are they right after what has happened.
And should Russian sides be allowed in sporting events like European football and world cup or Olympics ?. |  | | |  |
| Although Eurovision on 10:17 - Dec 5 with 917 views | NthQldITFC |
If gutless, complicit so-called civilised governments cannot bring themselves to apply political, economic or military sanctions against a rogue state carrying out a appalling, long-term, murderous assault against a people and trying to, at the very least, ethnically cleanse them from what is left of their homeland after eighty years, then social sanctions at some crappy, cheesy event might be the best the pathetic human species can achieve. |  |
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| Although Eurovision on 10:58 - Dec 5 with 814 views | EddyJ |
Its a tricky one.
On the one hand, we want competitons like football or eurovision to be apolitical. They *should* be exclusively about sporting/artistic merit. But we all know they are not. Ronaldo having his ban shortened. The Qatar world cup decision. Tactical voting in Eurovision. Politics is rife.
We also don't want to punish the citizens of these countries for the actions of their governments, that they may or may not agree with.
We do not have many weapons to combat bad nation-state actors. We can't take any direct military action against nuclear powers like Russia or Israel. So excluding countries from Eurovision is about the best we can do.
Then you need to make a judgement about the badness of their actions.
There are lots of "bad actors" at the nation level. We actively encourage Afghanistan to play cricket. That is not seen as an endorsement of the Taliban - the opposite, in fact, as many of the Afghan players learned to play whilst in exile in Pakistan. We also allow Qatar and Saudi Arabia to host World Cups. How bad is bad enough to warrant action?
With Russia it is very clear cut that they are an extreme bad actor. One sovereign country has invaded another sovereign country with little provocation. Its easy to sanction that.
With Israel its harder. They were provoked by the Hamas attacks. There has been a history of violence from both sides. Both Israel and Palestine have at least some claim to the land, although the strength of these is debatable. Palestine is not currently a sovereign country by most metrics, and the main political force in Gaza (Hamas) is widely considered a terrorist group. Genocide is hard to quantify - at what point does reasonable force and collateral damage become genocide?
There is also the question of greater good. If the west were to cut Israel adrift, would that cause greater instability in the middle east? Would it embolden Iran? | | | |
| Although Eurovision on 11:00 - Dec 5 with 803 views | Benters |
It’s all bolox. |  |
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| Although Eurovision on 11:21 - Dec 5 with 748 views | MattinLondon |
| Although Eurovision on 11:00 - Dec 5 by Benters |
It’s all bolox. |
But that’s enough about you, what do you think about Eurovision? |  | | |
| Although Eurovision on 11:36 - Dec 5 with 715 views | Benters |
| Although Eurovision on 11:21 - Dec 5 by MattinLondon |
But that’s enough about you, what do you think about Eurovision? |
Boom you should have been a comedian 😂👍 | |
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| Although Eurovision on 11:41 - Dec 5 with 696 views | Zx1988 |
| Although Eurovision on 10:58 - Dec 5 by EddyJ |
Its a tricky one.
On the one hand, we want competitons like football or eurovision to be apolitical. They *should* be exclusively about sporting/artistic merit. But we all know they are not. Ronaldo having his ban shortened. The Qatar world cup decision. Tactical voting in Eurovision. Politics is rife.
We also don't want to punish the citizens of these countries for the actions of their governments, that they may or may not agree with.
We do not have many weapons to combat bad nation-state actors. We can't take any direct military action against nuclear powers like Russia or Israel. So excluding countries from Eurovision is about the best we can do.
Then you need to make a judgement about the badness of their actions.
There are lots of "bad actors" at the nation level. We actively encourage Afghanistan to play cricket. That is not seen as an endorsement of the Taliban - the opposite, in fact, as many of the Afghan players learned to play whilst in exile in Pakistan. We also allow Qatar and Saudi Arabia to host World Cups. How bad is bad enough to warrant action?
With Russia it is very clear cut that they are an extreme bad actor. One sovereign country has invaded another sovereign country with little provocation. Its easy to sanction that.
With Israel its harder. They were provoked by the Hamas attacks. There has been a history of violence from both sides. Both Israel and Palestine have at least some claim to the land, although the strength of these is debatable. Palestine is not currently a sovereign country by most metrics, and the main political force in Gaza (Hamas) is widely considered a terrorist group. Genocide is hard to quantify - at what point does reasonable force and collateral damage become genocide?
There is also the question of greater good. If the west were to cut Israel adrift, would that cause greater instability in the middle east? Would it embolden Iran? |
It's meant to be apolitical, but it's the bad actors who want to make it political and reap the benefit of the 'soft power' side of it all.
You only have to see the tactical voting, and amount of money that Israel ploughed into PR for last year's Eurovision to realise that the Israeli state attributed massive PR value to the right to host Eurovision 2026. | |
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| Although Eurovision on 11:42 - Dec 5 with 691 views | MattinLondon |
| Although Eurovision on 11:36 - Dec 5 by Benters |
Boom you should have been a comedian 😂👍 |
Cheers for the compliment- if I were a comedian my act would be quite high-brow so probably not for the likes of you. | | | |
| Although Eurovision on 11:44 - Dec 5 with 685 views | Benters |
| Although Eurovision on 11:42 - Dec 5 by MattinLondon |
Cheers for the compliment- if I were a comedian my act would be quite high-brow so probably not for the likes of you. |
What does that mean ? high brow.
I’m not going to lie I’ve never heard of that before. | |
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| Although Eurovision on 11:52 - Dec 5 with 638 views | leitrimblue |
| Although Eurovision on 11:00 - Dec 5 by Benters |
It’s all bolox. |
Been sh1te since Bucks Fizz ripped their skirts off |  | | |
| Although Eurovision on 11:52 - Dec 5 with 636 views | MattinLondon |
| Although Eurovision on 11:44 - Dec 5 by Benters |
What does that mean ? high brow.
I’m not going to lie I’ve never heard of that before. |
If you know, you know. | | | |
| Although Eurovision on 11:53 - Dec 5 with 635 views | MattinLondon |
| Although Eurovision on 11:52 - Dec 5 by leitrimblue |
Been sh1te since Bucks Fizz ripped their skirts off |
You’d rather they kept their skirts on? | | | |
| Although Eurovision on 12:17 - Dec 5 with 561 views | Benters |
| Although Eurovision on 11:52 - Dec 5 by leitrimblue |
Been sh1te since Bucks Fizz ripped their skirts off |
Proper girls mate ABBA and Waterloo was alright. [Post edited 5 Dec 12:20]
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| Although Eurovision on 12:57 - Dec 5 with 467 views | hype313 |
| Although Eurovision on 11:52 - Dec 5 by leitrimblue |
Been sh1te since Bucks Fizz ripped their skirts off |
It's like having your pissed up Uncle around at Xmas, except it's all year round. |  |
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| Although Eurovision on 13:26 - Dec 5 with 395 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Although Eurovision on 12:57 - Dec 5 by hype313 |
It's like having your pissed up Uncle around at Xmas, except it's all year round. |
What? Cheryl Baker? She didn't seem that pi55ed on Record Breakers |  |
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| Although Eurovision on 13:37 - Dec 5 with 370 views | WD19 |
I'ts down to personal preference really.
If you are a fan of genocide and the slaughter of innocents more generally then you probably think the boycott is a bit OTT. |  | | |
| Although Eurovision on 14:17 - Dec 5 with 301 views | BasingstokeBlue |
| Although Eurovision on 11:52 - Dec 5 by leitrimblue |
Been sh1te since Bucks Fizz ripped their skirts off |
And that's just the blokes. |  |
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| Although Eurovision on 16:42 - Dec 5 with 193 views | DJR |
| Although Eurovision on 11:42 - Dec 5 by MattinLondon |
Cheers for the compliment- if I were a comedian my act would be quite high-brow so probably not for the likes of you. |
You mean like the Chuckle Brothers.  |  | | |
| Although Eurovision on 16:55 - Dec 5 with 179 views | Radlett_blue |
| Although Eurovision on 11:41 - Dec 5 by Zx1988 |
It's meant to be apolitical, but it's the bad actors who want to make it political and reap the benefit of the 'soft power' side of it all.
You only have to see the tactical voting, and amount of money that Israel ploughed into PR for last year's Eurovision to realise that the Israeli state attributed massive PR value to the right to host Eurovision 2026. |
Ireland, the Netherlands, Spain & Slovenia have found a great opportunity to make a political point over a trivial music contest. I'm sure few of their people care much if their in the ESC or not so it's essentially a free hit. A bit different from boycotting a football World Cup because a country you don't like is in it.
If a few other countries join the boycott & the ghastly charade collapses, so much the better as far as I'm concerned. |  |
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