| Some Fotmob info 13:29 - Dec 15 with 903 views | FrimleyBlue |
Thought it would be interesting to see how things compare between the quite often spoke about promotion team V the current set up.
I'm not qualified enough to really give any insight in to these findings, but I did find some interesting things that I personally thought were interesting.
Accurate Passes per 90
Morsy 56.4 current best Oshea 56.3
Oshea also has the highest long ball passing stats too.
I found it interesting for a couple of reasons
1st Morsy ensuring we kept the ball, dictacting play which you'd expect from a midfielder, to a cb, which i thought is a great description really of how much more defensive time we have on the ball. More interestingly, our next best accuracy is kipre, then greaves, so all three of our cbs.
Our closest cm to Morsy stats is Taylor
Looking into it deeper, Promo year was Morsy followed by our two defenders. So for me the torch has gone from skipper morsy dictating play to skipper oshea doing it this season.
Big chances created
Davis 15 current best J Clarke 6
Leif Davis Chances created
Promotion year 125 currently 31 Gonna have to go some to match that promo year figure. we all know he's playing a new role, but it opened my eyes seeing those,
Successful dribbles per 90
Omari 2.1 Sarmiento interestingly 2.3 current Jack Clarke 2.5 Philogene 2nd on 1.4 which would have been fourth best in comparison and lower than broady.
Big chances missed
Hirst with 11 in promo year currently hirst with 10
Broady with 9 Azon with 10
Shots per 90
Azon has a quite high 4.7 in comparison to chappers who a 3.7 per game..
Nunez on 3.8 so similar to chappers there.
Expected goals
Chaplin was high on 12, current highest hirst with 7.9
Assists
Leif had 18 currently has 1
Creativity wise and I think this is something that stands out
Chances created, I mentioned Davis higher up. But i think this is quite eye opening.
Promotion year
Leif Davis 125 approx 3 per 90
Wes Burns 53 2.0 per 90
Current
Leif 1.7 per 90
Egeli 1.3 per 90 As direct comparisons season v season positional wise
Jack clarke actually has the 2nd highest created chances per 90 at 2.4
Philogene is at 1.4 (Broady was 1.7 ) so not massively different
So, not amazing insight, some of you will be able get more from the data available. It's on Fotmob.
But my personal interest is in it kinda shows that change in balance and useage across the team. We all know we are still creating chances, those big chances are gutting, so spending in Jan will be key.
The really interesting one for me are the jack clarke stats.
Something of interest to is the Nunez stats, i implore you take a look, for someone i guess learning a new role, he's doing quite well.
Egeli, quite clearly a development player, his stats overall are actually quite terrible.
https://www.fotmob.com/en-GB/players/1307961/sindre-walle-egeli
Which is annoying as you can clearly see what he can become.... These stats do make me think he needs to be moved inside as they don't really help us out wide. But then we have the issue of what to do with Nunez, as he's creative stats are great, but he's defensive ones not so much so can't see that working next to Azor.
Mcateer, not so great reading as the alternative to Egeli
https://www.fotmob.com/en-GB/players/1113915/kasey-mcateer
So when you think of how much contribution wes had, that's a massive outlier this season that right hand side
Anyways, thought id share
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| Some Fotmob info on 13:46 - Dec 15 with 799 views | Swansea_Blue |
Sacrificing Leif has been the thing that’s frustrated me most. He was like a cheat code and wasn’t bad at all in the PL either playing his normal role. We’ve thrown that away for an occasional worldie from Philogene.
I’m not surprised about Egeli. We’ve enjoyed watching him for hints of the player he could become but he’s nowhere near as impactful as Wes was. Although Furlong isn’t the best in supporting him in an attacking sense. |  |
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| Some Fotmob info on 13:48 - Dec 15 with 793 views | tractorboy1978 |
Inverting Davis seems a really strange move. He's nowhere near as effective this season and was our biggest weapon in 23/24. A good example of how the balance of the team seems slightly off this season. |  | | |
| Some Fotmob info on 14:01 - Dec 15 with 735 views | bsw72 |
So in summary, the stats from the year we got promoted are better than the current season where we are not achieving the same results. |  | | |
| Some Fotmob info on 14:15 - Dec 15 with 664 views | Herbivore |
| Some Fotmob info on 13:48 - Dec 15 by tractorboy1978 |
Inverting Davis seems a really strange move. He's nowhere near as effective this season and was our biggest weapon in 23/24. A good example of how the balance of the team seems slightly off this season. |
I don't think it's just down to that as he's making runs on the outside just as often as he's making them on the inside. A big part of the issue is that he's rarely afforded the kind of space he was in 2023/24 as teams often double of triple up on that flank and are, in general, sitting a lot deeper. When we worked him into space early on against Stoke it led to a goal, albeit not technically an assist for him. Direct comparisons to 2023/24 aren't all that helpful, the circumstances now are so different. |  |
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| Some Fotmob info on 14:30 - Dec 15 with 609 views | gringoblue |
Thanks Frimmers.
The Davis stats obviously look significant. He should definitely have had more than 1 assist (I expect his expected assists is around 4/5) and I think the drop in creation is partly explained by the fact he doesn't take 95% of our dead balls (Morsy would float the odd free kick in from deep on the right). The big question I think is how much is his change in role and chance creation a) a product of teams sitting deeper and not allowing the space for him to run on to, or b) McKenna wanting to prepare him for a different role in the prem where he is less exposed. We obviously believe in Davis as the long term left back no matter what league we are in.
The other big stat to jump out I think tells the bigger story about our current gap to 2nd. We have been poor in some games, but we are not clinical and there are games we should have won. Our strikers have missed 20 big chances between them this season so far. As many as Hirst and Broady missed the whole of the promotion season, if I am reading what you posted correctly. Now, Hirst was injured for half of the promotion season of course, and Broady was really our inside left attacking forward, so not a direct comparison. Be interesting to see how many big chances we missed as a team in the promotion season, compared to now. [Post edited 15 Dec 14:45]
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| Some Fotmob info on 14:44 - Dec 15 with 577 views | Kievthegreat |
Those big chances are alarming. 66 missed last Championship season. Already 41 missed this year. Works out to having missed 10 goals extra that we should have buried by this point.
Last campaign we missed 66 of 112 (41% conversion), this campaign is 41 of 59 missed (31% conversion. We are creating 10% more chances per game than last time (on track for 129 big chances), but we're at current rate we'd only score 40 of them compared to 46 in the promotion season.
We'll bemoan bad defensive plays which will occasionally happen, but our real struggle is converting our good chances. |  | | |
| Some Fotmob info on 14:47 - Dec 15 with 563 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Some Fotmob info on 14:15 - Dec 15 by Herbivore |
I don't think it's just down to that as he's making runs on the outside just as often as he's making them on the inside. A big part of the issue is that he's rarely afforded the kind of space he was in 2023/24 as teams often double of triple up on that flank and are, in general, sitting a lot deeper. When we worked him into space early on against Stoke it led to a goal, albeit not technically an assist for him. Direct comparisons to 2023/24 aren't all that helpful, the circumstances now are so different. |
Hes definately making runs on the left side, I recently mentioned the times Philogene has ignored that option for the inverted run, its a byproduct of that partnership of course, but you do question what other opportunities could have been made, likewise Jayden has scored some cracking goals made by that option of Davis being the runner.
The inverted thing is definately and interesting thing
23/24 Heatmap
https://www.sofascore.com/football/player/leif-davis/963493#tab:season
current
https://www.sofascore.com/football/player/leif-davis/963493#tab:season
I know you feel it isn't helpful, but I find it it does open up discussions about things, I dont think it's just a simple case of teams sitting deep, marking davis, they tried that even when we got promoted.
What I do wonder though based on the original stats, is if the lack of right hand side threat makes it easier for a third man to come across blocking that philogene inverted run when he's not utilising davis on the overlap.
Of course lots of things to digest and that's what the manager and staff do on a daily basis, from a fans view, i find it very interesting | |
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| Some Fotmob info on 14:49 - Dec 15 with 557 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Some Fotmob info on 14:15 - Dec 15 by Herbivore |
I don't think it's just down to that as he's making runs on the outside just as often as he's making them on the inside. A big part of the issue is that he's rarely afforded the kind of space he was in 2023/24 as teams often double of triple up on that flank and are, in general, sitting a lot deeper. When we worked him into space early on against Stoke it led to a goal, albeit not technically an assist for him. Direct comparisons to 2023/24 aren't all that helpful, the circumstances now are so different. |
Not saying he never makes runs on the outside and it is just down to that but his game is less simplified than it was for me and there is more interchange of position between him and Philogene/Clarke. I think it has been working better between him and Philogene lately (at home anyway) but there is still a tendency for them to be trying to play in the same space.
I think we found a way of working space for him in 23/24 - Broadhead/Harness had little interest in holding width and we'd pull teams inside giving him space on the outside. We also seemed more direct/quicker in moving the ball to him (Morsy in particular). | | | |
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| Some Fotmob info on 14:50 - Dec 15 with 554 views | gringoblue |
| Some Fotmob info on 14:44 - Dec 15 by Kievthegreat |
Those big chances are alarming. 66 missed last Championship season. Already 41 missed this year. Works out to having missed 10 goals extra that we should have buried by this point.
Last campaign we missed 66 of 112 (41% conversion), this campaign is 41 of 59 missed (31% conversion. We are creating 10% more chances per game than last time (on track for 129 big chances), but we're at current rate we'd only score 40 of them compared to 46 in the promotion season.
We'll bemoan bad defensive plays which will occasionally happen, but our real struggle is converting our good chances. |
There you go, thanks, that is the glaring issue right there. | | | |
| Some Fotmob info on 15:31 - Dec 15 with 438 views | homer_123 |
Many ways to read this, isn't there?
If I stand back and look at us this year, it feels like a transition. It feels to me that KM wants us to be more balanced and rounded as a team. I think it's a natural evolution, KM responding to teams being more aware of how we play, so ensuring that we can build across and up and down through the team.
We are not there yet as a fully functioning unit - you can see that in our play and our results. We click for periods in a match and when we do, we're very good (again) but there are times when it doesn't or we make mistakes and we are being punished.
The obvious stat is just how profligate we are being. That comes as no surprise to any of us.
As I say, everything points to us being in transition. I don't think any of us would have thought we'd still be there come mid-December but we are. That said, Matsi has bedded in extremely well, Egeli is showing signs of player a heck of player but yes, we are still just trying to find the right mix.
I still maintain we are not very far away from being very very good but I understand the frustration. For me, yes, we need a bit more competition for Hirst but the position we need to sort is that central attacking midfield position, I like Nunez 'a lot' but I think we need another option here, ideally. |  |
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| Some Fotmob info on 16:43 - Dec 15 with 322 views | HighgateBlue |
| Some Fotmob info on 14:50 - Dec 15 by gringoblue |
There you go, thanks, that is the glaring issue right there. |
ABSOLUTELY! Our defence has actually been pretty tight of late, and before Leicester I think we were the tightest, momentarily.
But we've been patently missing chances far too often. I feel like a broken record when we go in at half time with way more touches in the oppo box, and yet only 1 paltry shot on target to show for it.
The Hirst and Azon missed 'big chances' show that neither of them is a top six striker. We would do really well to make the top six if that remains the case. Maybe we will still make the top six, but that will simply be a reflection of the fact that our budget is clearly top 3. Jimmy McJanuary upfront please! There's much to be thankful to Hirst for, and there's every reason to like Azon as a character. But if we want to finish in the top two, my view is that they are not good enough.
And don't get me started on the shooting stats for the number 10s... |  | | |
| Some Fotmob info on 16:49 - Dec 15 with 300 views | bournemouthblue |
| Some Fotmob info on 13:48 - Dec 15 by tractorboy1978 |
Inverting Davis seems a really strange move. He's nowhere near as effective this season and was our biggest weapon in 23/24. A good example of how the balance of the team seems slightly off this season. |
Given how ineffective he has been inverted, I'd question whether he is even the right player to be there because defensively he isn't the best? |  |
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