| Are we allowed to call it antisemitism yet? on 17:52 - Dec 23 with 1648 views | NthQldITFC |
Yes, that is clearly antisemitism. Awful, vile antisemitism. |  |
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| Are we allowed to call it antisemitism yet? on 17:57 - Dec 23 with 1626 views | positivity |
| Are we allowed to call it antisemitism yet? on 17:52 - Dec 23 by NthQldITFC |
Yes, that is clearly antisemitism. Awful, vile antisemitism. |
can't think that anybody serious would argue anything else? |  |
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| Are we allowed to call it antisemitism yet? on 17:58 - Dec 23 with 1623 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Are we allowed to call it antisemitism yet? on 17:57 - Dec 23 by positivity |
can't think that anybody serious would argue anything else? |
You would like to think so. |  |
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| Are we allowed to call it antisemitism yet? on 18:35 - Dec 23 with 1567 views | eirannach_gorm |
| Are we allowed to call it antisemitism yet? on 17:58 - Dec 23 by GlasgowBlue |
You would like to think so. |
Targeting Jews is clearly antisemitic. Targeting Israel for appalling behaviour is clearly not. The Israeli government have deliberately and consistantly attempted to blur this distinction. This disrespects actual antisemetic acts such as indicated by the report ( and the mass shooting in Bondi ). Antisemetism ( like all forms of targeting race or religion ) should be stamped on very strongly. | | | |
| Are we allowed to call it antisemitism yet? on 20:31 - Dec 23 with 1431 views | football |
As someone who works for the authority with the biggest jewish community (Hertsmere) I would say yes | | | |
| Are we allowed to call it antisemitism yet? on 22:08 - Dec 23 with 1281 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Are we allowed to call it antisemitism yet? on 18:35 - Dec 23 by eirannach_gorm |
Targeting Jews is clearly antisemitic. Targeting Israel for appalling behaviour is clearly not. The Israeli government have deliberately and consistantly attempted to blur this distinction. This disrespects actual antisemetic acts such as indicated by the report ( and the mass shooting in Bondi ). Antisemetism ( like all forms of targeting race or religion ) should be stamped on very strongly. |
Suprise suprise, somebody had to make it about Israel again, even though Israel wasn't mentioned in the op.
Most people wouldn't need to muddy the waters by typing anything after "Targeting Jews is clearly antisemitic".
That's all your post required. | |
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| Are we allowed to call it antisemitism yet? on 22:10 - Dec 23 with 1265 views | bartyg |
| Are we allowed to call it antisemitism yet? on 22:08 - Dec 23 by GlasgowBlue |
Suprise suprise, somebody had to make it about Israel again, even though Israel wasn't mentioned in the op.
Most people wouldn't need to muddy the waters by typing anything after "Targeting Jews is clearly antisemitic".
That's all your post required. |
C'mon bro, you're clearly baiting for it with your title. |  | | |
| Are we allowed to call it antisemitism yet? on 22:15 - Dec 23 with 1248 views | BABLUE |
| Are we allowed to call it antisemitism yet? on 22:10 - Dec 23 by bartyg |
C'mon bro, you're clearly baiting for it with your title. |
It’s what he does |  | | |
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| Are we allowed to call it antisemitism yet? on 22:19 - Dec 23 with 1235 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Are we allowed to call it antisemitism yet? on 22:10 - Dec 23 by bartyg |
C'mon bro, you're clearly baiting for it with your title. |
You must have missed the "Are we allowed to call it fascism yet"?* posts from people who have been warning about the rise of the far right across the globe. Are they baiting? Or are they saying "are you finally convinced now?" But if I was baiting, what would be he relevance of Israel?
I've been warning about the worldwide rise of antisemitism for sometime. As a 'new' poster, maybe you missed this thread?
It's getting fcuking scary for Jews around the world by GlasgowBlue 29 Oct 2023 19:04As per Dan's idea, this is the one thread for posting anti semitism awareness in the aftermath of the 7/11 pogrom.
It's getting fcuking scary for Jews around the world
https://x.com/AvivaKlompas/status/1718694433242145172?s=20
https://x.com/just_whatever/status/1718689335988375897?s=20
https://x.com/sentdefender/status/1718691772715417642?s=20
https://x.com/Daniel_Sugarman/status/1718704281669206175?s=20
If you read some of the replies those warnings went either unheeded or dismissed. Two years later this is where we now are. I honestly can't think of any other form of racism where somebody would post "yeah it's bad but......"
Islamophobia is bad but what about IS, Saudi etc.
*AI overview:
The question "ARE WE ALLOWED TO SAY IT'S FASCISM YET" appears to be a direct quote or reference to ongoing, often passionate, debates on the TWTD.co.uk forum regarding contemporary political events and figures, rather than a specific factual query about fascism itself.
The forum hosts a variety of opinions on the matter, with no single consensus. Key viewpoints expressed in discussions include:
Some posters argue that certain government actions, such as "authoritarian rules to protect private capitalists against green protests" or attacking national institutions, have "a bit of a fascisty feel".
The use of rhetoric regarding "protecting our culture, values, and identity from migrants" has been described as coming "straight out of the 1920s and 30s fascist playbook".
Other users caution against the casual use of the term "fascist," arguing that it trivializes the historical term and that not everyone you disagree with can be called a Nazi or fascist.
Discussions often involve debates on whether specific political figures or movements, such as those associated with Charlie Kirk or Nigel Farage, can be accurately described as fascist or "far right".
Ultimately, the question of whether "it's fascism yet" is an open and subjective debate within the community. You can view the discussions yourself on the TWTD Forum. [Post edited 23 Dec 22:32]
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| Are we allowed to call it antisemitism yet? on 22:30 - Dec 23 with 1203 views | bournemouthblue |
| Are we allowed to call it antisemitism yet? on 22:19 - Dec 23 by GlasgowBlue |
You must have missed the "Are we allowed to call it fascism yet"?* posts from people who have been warning about the rise of the far right across the globe. Are they baiting? Or are they saying "are you finally convinced now?" But if I was baiting, what would be he relevance of Israel?
I've been warning about the worldwide rise of antisemitism for sometime. As a 'new' poster, maybe you missed this thread?
It's getting fcuking scary for Jews around the world by GlasgowBlue 29 Oct 2023 19:04As per Dan's idea, this is the one thread for posting anti semitism awareness in the aftermath of the 7/11 pogrom.
It's getting fcuking scary for Jews around the world
https://x.com/AvivaKlompas/status/1718694433242145172?s=20
https://x.com/just_whatever/status/1718689335988375897?s=20
https://x.com/sentdefender/status/1718691772715417642?s=20
https://x.com/Daniel_Sugarman/status/1718704281669206175?s=20
If you read some of the replies those warnings went either unheeded or dismissed. Two years later this is where we now are. I honestly can't think of any other form of racism where somebody would post "yeah it's bad but......"
Islamophobia is bad but what about IS, Saudi etc.
*AI overview:
The question "ARE WE ALLOWED TO SAY IT'S FASCISM YET" appears to be a direct quote or reference to ongoing, often passionate, debates on the TWTD.co.uk forum regarding contemporary political events and figures, rather than a specific factual query about fascism itself.
The forum hosts a variety of opinions on the matter, with no single consensus. Key viewpoints expressed in discussions include:
Some posters argue that certain government actions, such as "authoritarian rules to protect private capitalists against green protests" or attacking national institutions, have "a bit of a fascisty feel".
The use of rhetoric regarding "protecting our culture, values, and identity from migrants" has been described as coming "straight out of the 1920s and 30s fascist playbook".
Other users caution against the casual use of the term "fascist," arguing that it trivializes the historical term and that not everyone you disagree with can be called a Nazi or fascist.
Discussions often involve debates on whether specific political figures or movements, such as those associated with Charlie Kirk or Nigel Farage, can be accurately described as fascist or "far right".
Ultimately, the question of whether "it's fascism yet" is an open and subjective debate within the community. You can view the discussions yourself on the TWTD Forum. [Post edited 23 Dec 22:32]
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That's where I find it abhorrent that we see the likes of Tommy Robinson grifting in Israel and seemingly getting away with it
The far right should never be treated as allies, people have short memories |  |
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| Are we allowed to call it antisemitism yet? on 23:04 - Dec 23 with 1139 views | positivity |
| Are we allowed to call it antisemitism yet? on 22:08 - Dec 23 by GlasgowBlue |
Suprise suprise, somebody had to make it about Israel again, even though Israel wasn't mentioned in the op.
Most people wouldn't need to muddy the waters by typing anything after "Targeting Jews is clearly antisemitic".
That's all your post required. |
that's not what he said though.
he said antisemitism is bad, full stop.
however, criticising some of netanyahu's policies isn't antisemitic, just because he was born a jew
same as islamophobia is bad, full stop
however, saying osama bin laden did some evil things isn't islamophobic, just because he was born a muslim | |
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| Are we allowed to call it antisemitism yet? on 23:15 - Dec 23 with 1103 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Are we allowed to call it antisemitism yet? on 23:04 - Dec 23 by positivity |
that's not what he said though.
he said antisemitism is bad, full stop.
however, criticising some of netanyahu's policies isn't antisemitic, just because he was born a jew
same as islamophobia is bad, full stop
however, saying osama bin laden did some evil things isn't islamophobic, just because he was born a muslim |
Nobody is saying that there shouldn’t be legitimate criticism of the Israeli government. I do it all the time. Why did he or she need to say it on this thread? He or she brought Israel into this thread for no particular reason.
When right wing thugs were committing Islamophobic acts in the wake of the tragic Southport stabbing there was a lot of discussion on this board condemning the racists. Did one a single person
post that Islamophobia is bad but saying osama bin laden did some evil things isn't islamophobic? It would have been both inappropriate and completely irrelevant to the discussion.
Is the sate of an Israel committing war crimes? Yes. Should Netanyahu' be sitting in a cell in The Hague? Damn right he should. But there are plenty of threads to express that. Why jump on this one if not to muddy the waters? Why can’t antisemitism be condemned without a but at the end?
It happens too many times, usually from the same posters. If you’d have asked me to name five posters who would bring Israel into this thread E-G would have been one of them. It’s a pattern. Maybe only somebody with skin in the game would notice.
Edit. BTW this is a very good article which seems relevant to the debate.
https://everydayhate.substack.com/p/hating-zionists-killing-jews [Post edited 24 Dec 5:57]
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| Are we allowed to call it antisemitism yet? on 23:17 - Dec 23 with 1097 views | Bigalhunter |
| Are we allowed to call it antisemitism yet? on 22:08 - Dec 23 by GlasgowBlue |
Suprise suprise, somebody had to make it about Israel again, even though Israel wasn't mentioned in the op.
Most people wouldn't need to muddy the waters by typing anything after "Targeting Jews is clearly antisemitic".
That's all your post required. |
Are all those who agreed with eirannach_gorm guilty of something, or is someone just slipping back into familiar behavioural patterns despite an assurance that it wouldn’t happen this time round?…. |  |
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| Are we allowed to call it antisemitism yet? on 23:26 - Dec 23 with 1064 views | vapour_trail |
| Are we allowed to call it antisemitism yet? on 23:17 - Dec 23 by Bigalhunter |
Are all those who agreed with eirannach_gorm guilty of something, or is someone just slipping back into familiar behavioural patterns despite an assurance that it wouldn’t happen this time round?…. |
Happy Christmas, Big Al x |  |
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| Are we allowed to call it antisemitism yet? on 23:33 - Dec 23 with 1015 views | Bigalhunter |
| Are we allowed to call it antisemitism yet? on 23:26 - Dec 23 by vapour_trail |
Happy Christmas, Big Al x |
Happy Christmas Vapes.
(That sounds like a festive tobacco replacement  ) | |
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| Are we allowed to call it antisemitism yet? on 23:36 - Dec 23 with 996 views | vapour_trail |
| Are we allowed to call it antisemitism yet? on 23:33 - Dec 23 by Bigalhunter |
Happy Christmas Vapes.
(That sounds like a festive tobacco replacement ) |
Notes of sprouts! | |
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| Are we allowed to call it antisemitism yet? on 23:37 - Dec 23 with 993 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Are we allowed to call it antisemitism yet? on 23:26 - Dec 23 by vapour_trail |
Happy Christmas, Big Al x |
Happy Hanukkah VT | |
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| Are we allowed to call it antisemitism yet? on 23:46 - Dec 23 with 961 views | vapour_trail |
| Are we allowed to call it antisemitism yet? on 23:37 - Dec 23 by GlasgowBlue |
Happy Hanukkah VT |
Likewise, GB. | |
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| Are we allowed to call it antisemitism yet? on 00:08 - Dec 24 with 919 views | Churchman |
I’m not interested in labels GB. I’m strongly against any ‘ism’ or discrimination of any form.
These bits of dirt are terrorists and potential murderers. They should be jailed at their own cost, any right to be here revoked then if freed deported to Tunisia or wherever they hail from. |  | | |
| Are we allowed to call it antisemitism yet? on 00:21 - Dec 24 with 893 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Are we allowed to call it antisemitism yet? on 22:08 - Dec 23 by GlasgowBlue |
Suprise suprise, somebody had to make it about Israel again, even though Israel wasn't mentioned in the op.
Most people wouldn't need to muddy the waters by typing anything after "Targeting Jews is clearly antisemitic".
That's all your post required. |
Why do you bother with this lot on the subject matter? Like what’s the point? How many times do they have to show you, let them be you’ll feel much better about things.
The second sentence of that original reply about 4 down tells you straight away the mindset. [Post edited 24 Dec 0:23]
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| Are we allowed to call it antisemitism yet? on 04:50 - Dec 24 with 706 views | Benters |
Yes. |  |
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| Are we allowed to call it antisemitism yet? on 04:51 - Dec 24 with 705 views | Benters |
| Are we allowed to call it antisemitism yet? on 00:08 - Dec 24 by Churchman |
I’m not interested in labels GB. I’m strongly against any ‘ism’ or discrimination of any form.
These bits of dirt are terrorists and potential murderers. They should be jailed at their own cost, any right to be here revoked then if freed deported to Tunisia or wherever they hail from. |
This. | |
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| Are we allowed to call it antisemitism yet? on 04:51 - Dec 24 with 703 views | Benters |
| Are we allowed to call it antisemitism yet? on 00:21 - Dec 24 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Why do you bother with this lot on the subject matter? Like what’s the point? How many times do they have to show you, let them be you’ll feel much better about things.
The second sentence of that original reply about 4 down tells you straight away the mindset. [Post edited 24 Dec 0:23]
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| Are we allowed to call it antisemitism yet? on 09:17 - Dec 24 with 555 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
When were you not allowed to call actual acts of antisemitism what they are? |  |
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| Are we allowed to call it antisemitism yet? on 09:35 - Dec 24 with 518 views | baxterbasics |
| Are we allowed to call it antisemitism yet? on 18:35 - Dec 23 by eirannach_gorm |
Targeting Jews is clearly antisemitic. Targeting Israel for appalling behaviour is clearly not. The Israeli government have deliberately and consistantly attempted to blur this distinction. This disrespects actual antisemetic acts such as indicated by the report ( and the mass shooting in Bondi ). Antisemetism ( like all forms of targeting race or religion ) should be stamped on very strongly. |
Thing is, as much as it is right to say "Jews and Israel are not the same thing" the connection is still relevant because in the minds of those that do these atrocities they are linked. Israel is not just despised because of it's own actions, there's a bonus level of attention in some quarters because it is a Jewish state. If the regional beef was just between say, two different Islamic factions, would it be getting anywhere near the same level of attention? Of course not. The old enemy, Jews are bottom of the food chain and when 'their' state is causing grief they will get the blow-back in most corners of the world even when they have no other connection to Israel.
So no, being anti-Israel and anti-semitism are not the same thing but in the minds of many at the sharp end this distinction is ignored: our domestic terrorists, encouraged by useful-idiot apologists, think Jews are fair game "because Israel" |  |
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