| Can’t believe I’m saying it but 08:33 - Dec 27 with 2462 views | ringwoodblue |
I’d happily swap Hirst, Azon and Akpom for Moore, Windass and Bamford right now. They are all proven goalscorers at this level and pose a real threat which our options clearly don’t. |  |
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| Can’t believe I’m saying it but on 08:14 - Dec 28 with 392 views | JackNorthStand |
| Can’t believe I’m saying it but on 15:14 - Dec 27 by Herbivore |
Moore was a downgrade on Hirst when both were here in 2023/24. We looked a better side with Hirst in than with Moore as Moore doesn't have the mobility or workrate we need. Neither does Bamford. It's easy to list a couple of strikers who are scoring a few goals and fawn over them but it's a bit of a simplistic way of looking at things. |
Interesting how football divides opinion… Respectfully completely disagree on this. Moores signing and leading of the line was a huge boost in January, after we had a poor spell. If he wasn’t signed I don’t believe we would have gotten promoted. |  | | |
| Can’t believe I’m saying it but on 08:39 - Dec 28 with 371 views | OldFart71 |
In light of Hirst being out injured I think it brings into the fact that he's possibly better than we give him credit for. Maybe will never be a top striker but better than both Azon and Akpom.
We seriously need someone through the doors of PR a.s.a.p.
I would also look at getting shot of Azon and Akpom to make way for a couple of loans as well. Don't know what the situation is with regards to that. | | | |
| Can’t believe I’m saying it but on 08:41 - Dec 28 with 362 views | Herbivore |
| Can’t believe I’m saying it but on 08:14 - Dec 28 by JackNorthStand |
Interesting how football divides opinion… Respectfully completely disagree on this. Moores signing and leading of the line was a huge boost in January, after we had a poor spell. If he wasn’t signed I don’t believe we would have gotten promoted. |
He was a boost because we were relying on Jackson to lead the line at the time with Hirst out injured and Moore was an upgrade on Jackson. But as a side we were much better with Hirst up top, which is why Hirst came straight back into the side as soon as he was fit. |  |
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| Can’t believe I’m saying it but on 08:47 - Dec 28 with 350 views | Blue_Heath |
| Can’t believe I’m saying it but on 08:39 - Dec 28 by OldFart71 |
In light of Hirst being out injured I think it brings into the fact that he's possibly better than we give him credit for. Maybe will never be a top striker but better than both Azon and Akpom.
We seriously need someone through the doors of PR a.s.a.p.
I would also look at getting shot of Azon and Akpom to make way for a couple of loans as well. Don't know what the situation is with regards to that. |
I agree Hirst's touch seems to have deserted him this season and we do look a better 'team' when he plays plus he bullies defences and wears the down for the finishers.
Azor is not a goalscorer, why are we not playing Akpom? | |
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| Can’t believe I’m saying it but on 08:58 - Dec 28 with 335 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Can’t believe I’m saying it but on 08:41 - Dec 28 by Herbivore |
He was a boost because we were relying on Jackson to lead the line at the time with Hirst out injured and Moore was an upgrade on Jackson. But as a side we were much better with Hirst up top, which is why Hirst came straight back into the side as soon as he was fit. |
Both Hirst and Moore greatly contributed to our promotion. But no Moore and there would be no promotion. We were on an awful run of form when he joined. One win in 9. We weren’t just starting Jackson up front. We tried Broadhead as a striker and Ladapo. Moore hit the ground running and turned our form around.
Moore was also a better goal scorer than Hirst. 7 goals in 18 compared to Hirst 7 in 26.
Yes Hirst scored in the Hull game as soon as he came back in. Then in the next game Moore started and scored.
Moore wasn’t a downgrade on Hirst. They were on the same level. |  |
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| Can’t believe I’m saying it but on 09:10 - Dec 28 with 306 views | Herbivore |
| Can’t believe I’m saying it but on 08:58 - Dec 28 by GlasgowBlue |
Both Hirst and Moore greatly contributed to our promotion. But no Moore and there would be no promotion. We were on an awful run of form when he joined. One win in 9. We weren’t just starting Jackson up front. We tried Broadhead as a striker and Ladapo. Moore hit the ground running and turned our form around.
Moore was also a better goal scorer than Hirst. 7 goals in 18 compared to Hirst 7 in 26.
Yes Hirst scored in the Hull game as soon as he came back in. Then in the next game Moore started and scored.
Moore wasn’t a downgrade on Hirst. They were on the same level. |
Respectfully disagree and see that as a rewriting of history. Even when Moore was playing most fans were keen for Hirst to be back asap as Moore's limitations were very clearly limiting how we could play. He couldn't offer what Hirst offered. His goals were useful for sure and we were sided by Omari really hitting form at the right time too, but it felt like we were scrapping through games and making do with Moore up top and were much more fluent as a side with Hirst in. That Hirst came straight back in to start 2 of the 3 games he was fit for after such a long lay off shows how important he was to how we played. | |
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| Can’t believe I’m saying it but on 09:27 - Dec 28 with 278 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Can’t believe I’m saying it but on 09:10 - Dec 28 by Herbivore |
Respectfully disagree and see that as a rewriting of history. Even when Moore was playing most fans were keen for Hirst to be back asap as Moore's limitations were very clearly limiting how we could play. He couldn't offer what Hirst offered. His goals were useful for sure and we were sided by Omari really hitting form at the right time too, but it felt like we were scrapping through games and making do with Moore up top and were much more fluent as a side with Hirst in. That Hirst came straight back in to start 2 of the 3 games he was fit for after such a long lay off shows how important he was to how we played. |
Scraping through games? We lost only 2 games on our run in after Moore joined (not including a Preston away as we were 3-0 down at half time when he came in as a sub to score two goals) which was away at Norwich when Moore was injured and we started Ali up front (now that really is a downgrade) and Cardiff away where Moore scored and our defence capitulated in injury time (had Moore not been taken off he would have added extra arial defence). We thrashed teams like Sheffield Wednesday 6-0 and Millwall 4-0. Would you say we scraped through games like Southampton and Bristol City. Because if that’s scraping through then give me more of it.
You are really downplaying Moore’s contribution to our promotion. | |
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| Can’t believe I’m saying it but on 09:41 - Dec 28 with 269 views | Plums |
| Can’t believe I’m saying it but on 16:38 - Dec 27 by Herbivore |
There's a lot of bang average players in there, certainly as bang average as Azon and Akpom have been. Langstaff, for example, only has one goal to his name and that's playing in a side that's performing to or above expectations. It's evident neither of our two back ups are performing as well as we'd hoped but that goes for the whole team. Things haven't fully clicked yet. I doubt many of the players you've listed would instantly come in and improve things for us. |
Langstaff is a perfect example of the issue with signing 'top' strikers. He was incredible for Notts County - when the team played to his strengths. Pop him in a Championship side playing a different way and he looks a shadow of himself.
For those wondering what on earth has gone on with Akpom and Sammy, for a parallel take a look at Daryl Murphy, great servant and scorer in a pretty average and probably over-performing Town but didn't really recreate it anywhere else.
Very few strikers below the very top of the game seem able to sustain it - which makes it nigh on impossible to just sign one. [Post edited 28 Dec 11:09]
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| Can’t believe I’m saying it but on 10:07 - Dec 28 with 247 views | Herbivore |
| Can’t believe I’m saying it but on 09:27 - Dec 28 by GlasgowBlue |
Scraping through games? We lost only 2 games on our run in after Moore joined (not including a Preston away as we were 3-0 down at half time when he came in as a sub to score two goals) which was away at Norwich when Moore was injured and we started Ali up front (now that really is a downgrade) and Cardiff away where Moore scored and our defence capitulated in injury time (had Moore not been taken off he would have added extra arial defence). We thrashed teams like Sheffield Wednesday 6-0 and Millwall 4-0. Would you say we scraped through games like Southampton and Bristol City. Because if that’s scraping through then give me more of it.
You are really downplaying Moore’s contribution to our promotion. |
He was important of course, he came in when we had nobody capable of leading the line and he scored some important goals. But as a team we were much more effective with Hirst leading the line. It's only now people are trying to claim otherwise, go back and look at the board from back then and everyone acknowledged that Moore had limitations and we were less effective as a side with him in compared to Hirst. Certainly the likes of Chappers and Broadhead found things harder during that run than they had done when playing with Hirst. It can both be true that Moore made a vital contribution to us going up and that he was a downgrade on Hirst. | |
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| Can’t believe I’m saying it but on 13:05 - Dec 28 with 209 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Can’t believe I’m saying it but on 10:07 - Dec 28 by Herbivore |
He was important of course, he came in when we had nobody capable of leading the line and he scored some important goals. But as a team we were much more effective with Hirst leading the line. It's only now people are trying to claim otherwise, go back and look at the board from back then and everyone acknowledged that Moore had limitations and we were less effective as a side with him in compared to Hirst. Certainly the likes of Chappers and Broadhead found things harder during that run than they had done when playing with Hirst. It can both be true that Moore made a vital contribution to us going up and that he was a downgrade on Hirst. |
Chaplin's from definitely dipped without Hirst. But Omari took his place as the ten and we were better for it. I don't recall Broadhead being less effective. But we had Sarmiento challenging him.
We can agree to disagree but I think they were different players with different attributes but neither were a downgrade on the other. | |
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| Can’t believe I’m saying it but on 13:11 - Dec 28 with 203 views | MK1 |
I have said since it happened, that we should have kept Kieffer Moore. He has the experience at this level. I said at the time, that his knowhow in the PL would have been a massive help not just to the dressing room, but to KM as well.
I was told on here that we needed to move on and get better. Not sure we have had better. |  |
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| Can’t believe I’m saying it but on 13:37 - Dec 28 with 194 views | Herbivore |
| Can’t believe I’m saying it but on 13:11 - Dec 28 by MK1 |
I have said since it happened, that we should have kept Kieffer Moore. He has the experience at this level. I said at the time, that his knowhow in the PL would have been a massive help not just to the dressing room, but to KM as well.
I was told on here that we needed to move on and get better. Not sure we have had better. |
We signed Delap, who was definitely better. | |
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| Can’t believe I’m saying it but on 13:51 - Dec 28 with 180 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Can’t believe I’m saying it but on 13:37 - Dec 28 by Herbivore |
We signed Delap, who was definitely better. |
We did and we clearly went after Broja and Ioannidis in preference to Moore. Had we settled for Moore it would have given us a lot better options in the Premier League than playing Al Hamadi as our third choice. Of course, had Broja been fit we wouldn't have been relying on Al Hamadi anyway. It's that balance between going for a better player and settling for one we know we can get. |  |
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| Can’t believe I’m saying it but on 13:53 - Dec 28 with 179 views | Herbivore |
| Can’t believe I’m saying it but on 13:51 - Dec 28 by Nthsuffolkblue |
We did and we clearly went after Broja and Ioannidis in preference to Moore. Had we settled for Moore it would have given us a lot better options in the Premier League than playing Al Hamadi as our third choice. Of course, had Broja been fit we wouldn't have been relying on Al Hamadi anyway. It's that balance between going for a better player and settling for one we know we can get. |
Signing Moore as a Pram side would have been a bad move, imo. He's decent at this level but wouldn't have offered us enough in the Prem and he'd have been on a decent wage. | |
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| Can’t believe I’m saying it but on 14:01 - Dec 28 with 172 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Can’t believe I’m saying it but on 13:53 - Dec 28 by Herbivore |
Signing Moore as a Pram side would have been a bad move, imo. He's decent at this level but wouldn't have offered us enough in the Prem and he'd have been on a decent wage. |
He would have been a far better third choice than Al Hamadi. Whether he would have been happy to sign as third choice is another question (although I think Delap was initially meant to be that third choice behind Broja and Hirst but rapidly played himself into being first choice). | |
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| Can’t believe I’m saying it but on 14:26 - Dec 28 with 147 views | Herbivore |
| Can’t believe I’m saying it but on 14:01 - Dec 28 by Nthsuffolkblue |
He would have been a far better third choice than Al Hamadi. Whether he would have been happy to sign as third choice is another question (although I think Delap was initially meant to be that third choice behind Broja and Hirst but rapidly played himself into being first choice). |
Possibly but that's with the benefit of hindsight and hindsight is always 20/20. I can't see a good argument that we should have gone for Moore early (he signed for Sheffield United mid-July) over trying to secure better targets. Those targets ultimately didn't come off but I wouldn't want to see us panic signing someone who isn't good enough in July purely as an insurance policy in case we don't get the players we actually want. | |
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| Can’t believe I’m saying it but on 14:51 - Dec 28 with 127 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Can’t believe I’m saying it but on 14:26 - Dec 28 by Herbivore |
Possibly but that's with the benefit of hindsight and hindsight is always 20/20. I can't see a good argument that we should have gone for Moore early (he signed for Sheffield United mid-July) over trying to secure better targets. Those targets ultimately didn't come off but I wouldn't want to see us panic signing someone who isn't good enough in July purely as an insurance policy in case we don't get the players we actually want. |
Indeed and hence my comment "It's that balance between going for a better player and settling for one we know we can get." | |
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| Can’t believe I’m saying it but on 16:17 - Dec 28 with 100 views | JackNorthStand |
| Can’t believe I’m saying it but on 13:37 - Dec 28 by Herbivore |
We signed Delap, who was definitely better. |
Did Moore kept Hirst out of the side when Hirst recovered from
Injury ?
I haven’t researched this but that is how I remember it - accept if I am off on this.
Either way I personally felt Moore was an upgrade on Hirst he brought physicality and premier league experience. Probably lacked pace to play the way McKenna would have liked him to in an ideal world but he performed well for us every time he turned out in a blue shirt. | | | |
| Can’t believe I’m saying it but on 16:37 - Dec 28 with 73 views | Herbivore |
| Can’t believe I’m saying it but on 16:17 - Dec 28 by JackNorthStand |
Did Moore kept Hirst out of the side when Hirst recovered from
Injury ?
I haven’t researched this but that is how I remember it - accept if I am off on this.
Either way I personally felt Moore was an upgrade on Hirst he brought physicality and premier league experience. Probably lacked pace to play the way McKenna would have liked him to in an ideal world but he performed well for us every time he turned out in a blue shirt. |
No, Hirst came straight back in for the crunch game against Hull as soon as he was fit. He then started against Huddersfield. Moore came in for the Coventry game in between as Hirst had been out for months so wouldn't have been up to starting three games in a week. | |
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