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I do think some of the criticising is getting out of hand. 16:53 - Dec 28 with 2262 views

I know it's not been perfect and there have been poor individual errors. However this criticism is only doing 2 things dividing the fan base and getting borderline abusive towards some of our players. We are third whilst not playing as we'd ideally want, however we did batter Cov 3 nil who are steam rollering the rest of the division. I still genuinely think we're doing OK with obvious room for improvement. Jan around the corner, so let's not let things get out of hand. The environment on here frankly has been toxic recently. We've gone from debate to abuse of individual players and I'd like to think we're better than that.

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I do think some of the criticising is getting out of hand. on 19:48 - Dec 28 with 517 views

gtsb1966

I do think some of the criticising is getting out of hand. on 18:04 - Dec 28 by Libero

Just embarrassingly reactionary- sometimes I’ll take a peak on match day and there will be threads made because a player has misplaced a couple of passes lol.
People want simple answers to complex questions (much like a lot of modern discourse away from football) and they’ll create nonsense, single out players and create narratives in vain attempts to find those non-existent simplistic answers, irrespective of reality.

There’s a real expectancy from some so called ‘supporters’ that money equals instant and unrivalled success, but that’s not how it works- more to that, do these people not remember what the championship is like? Everyone can beat everyone and teams really struggle for consistency- that’s why it’s such an exciting league.

Many also seem to forget that in both our previous promotion seasons under McKenna we were often fair to middling, until we locked in.

A £14m player in the championship should equal quality.
Chasing a player on a big wage from Ajax should be quality.
Paying a manager £5m a year should mean we have a plan if things go wrong during a game or we have a different style of play....

Can you not see the problem?

Can you give some examples.... on 19:53 - Dec 28 with 501 views

Churchman

Can you give some examples.... on 18:47 - Dec 28 by Vaughan8

I'm sorry, have you not read all the previous threads

You can't criticise anything. Everything is great. We were in league 1 5 years ago you know. Because we were there recently, you need to be grateful for where we are now.

Don't take any context into account. The fact we've spent money and expectations are higher shouldn't come into play.

Come.on. you need to keep up........! Oh and stop making valid points if it's criticising anyone or any thing.

I’m sorry, have you not read all the previous threads

You can moan and criticise everything. Everything is doomed. We haven’t been in League One for three seasons, are entitled to be on 69 points and you need to fill your trolleys after a draw at 6th in the table Millwall, hurl your toys from the pram because we are not winning 5-0 every week.

You need to take context into account. The last four away games are more than enough to define the team as sht, the players worse, McKenna clueless and Ashton a fraud. We are entitled to more. Have we spent money? I never knew. How much? I assumed we got them on frees like we did proper bloke Cokey when everyone was happy.

Come on, you need to keep up. Abuse the players, give em hell, never offer anything balanced or positive, get the boot in and vent your bile and hatred of all things ITFC as long as you then say afterwards that you care. Oh, and get yourself down to Primark for the jumbo pack of trolleys

Can you give some examples.... on 20:20 - Dec 28 with 467 views

Swansea_Blue

Can you give some examples.... on 17:54 - Dec 28 by DJR

It's not just TWTD.

McAteer got it both barrels on Friday when attacking the away end on Friday.

He played much better in the second half but that was probably because he was not attacking the away end.

The other thing that seems to have changed is that we've generally stopped singing at the end of games, home or away.

I do feel McKenna and presumably the players have sensed a change of mood amongst the fans.

This seems to me a shame.

We'd have settled for a point against a team in Millwall's position two seasons ago but on Saturday the vast majority had left before the players came over.

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How can that be helpful?

It must be a hard thing for the team to navigate. They obviously want good support, so need us. But then it can flip and we’re more trouble than we’re worth. They can’t say anything unless it gets really toxic though or it’ll make things worse. KM consistently reiterating how helpful they find noisy support and making vague comments that a nervous crowd isn’t helpful is probably the only/best thing he can say.

Poll:

Do you think Pert is key to all of this?

I do think some of the criticising is getting out of hand. on 20:21 - Dec 28 with 464 views

Libero

I do think some of the criticising is getting out of hand. on 19:48 - Dec 28 by gtsb1966
A £14m player in the championship should equal quality. Chasing a player on a big wage from Ajax should be quality. Paying a manager £5m a year should mean we have a plan if things go wrong during a game or we have a different style of play.... Can you not see the problem?

Yeah, I see the issue clearly- your expectations aren’t being met and you’re not open to the idea that maybe your expectations are just as much an issue as the current inconsistency being showcased by our beloved team.

I do think some of the criticising is getting out of hand. on 20:29 - Dec 28 with 447 views

gtsb1966

I do think some of the criticising is getting out of hand. on 20:21 - Dec 28 by Libero
Yeah, I see the issue clearly- your expectations aren’t being met and you’re not open to the idea that maybe your expectations are just as much an issue as the current inconsistency being showcased by our beloved team.

The managers expectations are not being met. He tells us that yet he doesn't seem to be able to change it. And after the squad we have built at an incredible expense your expectations were/are?

I do think some of the criticising is getting out of hand. on 20:50 - Dec 28 with 422 views

Swansea_Blue

I do think some of the criticising is getting out of hand. on 20:29 - Dec 28 by gtsb1966
The managers expectations are not being met. He tells us that yet he doesn't seem to be able to change it. And after the squad we have built at an incredible expense your expectations were/are?

The manger is continuing to stay positive and working with the squad to improve things, so that’s not the best analogy for how some people are responding to not getting what they want.

It does feel like high expectations are a bit of an issue in fairness to Liberia. It’s understandable that they are high and money is always given as a reason, but we know from our last time in this league that money isn’t a magic bullet. The issue is how people are responding when their expectations are not met. As positively as possible despite any disappointment, or having a tantrum and stinking the place out (for the worst offenders, not aimed at you)?

Poll:

Do you think Pert is key to all of this?

Can you give some examples.... on 21:21 - Dec 28 with 395 views

DJR

Can you give some examples.... on 18:35 - Dec 28 by ITFCSG

Perhaps it is due to the lack of entertainment in general as well. Fans want to watch fast, attacking, flowing football like what we played in 23/24. Or even 1st half of the PL season against superior opposition. Support was massive.

The current brand of football this season has been frankly pedestrian, a lot of sideways and backwards passing to nowhere, players taking 30 seconds for a throw in, no sense of urgency even in the dying minutes of the game when we needed another goal etc. all these factors play into the mood as well.

Some supporters may think like you - "We'd have settled for a point against a team in Millwall's position two seasons ago" - but conversely many others will think "we beat them 0-4 the last time, before spending £150 million!" and of course walk out of the Den in disappointment? anger? or apathy without bothering to applaud.

In my 58th season of watching Ipswich, I like to put things in perspective.

Being third in the second division with the money to make adjustments in January is better than the majority of seasons in the last forty years.

As it is, I left Millwall feeling fairly optimistic, not least because of the return of Wes Burns.

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Can you give some examples.... on 22:07 - Dec 28 with 355 views

Swansea_Blue

Can you give some examples.... on 18:35 - Dec 28 by ITFCSG

“fast, attacking, flowing football” is a bit of a rarity in this league. I don’t know how long you’ve been watching, but 23/24 was not normal and even then it wasn’t all highlights. If that’s the benchmark, you’ll only ever be disappointed and not enjoy your football.

I don’t see the point of fans getting arsey. Support the team and if we don’t get the result then so be it, but at least we know we’ve done our bit rather than working against the team.

Poll:

Do you think Pert is key to all of this?

I do think some of the criticising is getting out of hand. on 22:25 - Dec 28 with 332 views

bobbyramsey

I do think some of the criticising is getting out of hand. on 19:34 - Dec 28 by braveblue
Is 3rd underperforming?

KM says he never looks at the table and that it's all about performance.....

Ahem!

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I do think some of the criticising is getting out of hand. on 22:48 - Dec 28 with 310 views

PioneerBlue

I like to think as myself being relentlessly realistic. If there is something to call out about a manager or players or fans being fans thats cool. If we are third and a few fan boys are setting their expectations a little to high that needs to be held up for being the utter nonsense that it is. That said, there are some players, irrespective of value that have been brought to the club that are not performing at the level we can expect of a team chasing PL football. Its ok to say this, we know who the players are, we dont need to chase them out the club, we need to support the manager to make the right decisions now and each week and hope form changes for these players.

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I do think some of the criticising is getting out of hand. on 23:05 - Dec 28 with 293 views

Vic

I do think some of the criticising is getting out of hand. on 22:48 - Dec 28 by PioneerBlue

Absolutely. Criticising and moaning at our about the players from the stands will never, ever help lift a performance. It is always counter productive
And grumbling and arguing on here and other social media doesnt help because it help us as fans to be united, etc either.
Sometimes we all just need to think about how we phrase things, think of how we come across about the players and to each other.

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Right now, who would you rather have as Prime Minister?

I do think some of the criticising is getting out of hand. on 23:30 - Dec 28 with 259 views

Nutkins_Return

I do think some of the criticising is getting out of hand. on 20:29 - Dec 28 by gtsb1966
The managers expectations are not being met. He tells us that yet he doesn't seem to be able to change it. And after the squad we have built at an incredible expense your expectations were/are?

McKenna is pragmatic, intelligent and actually very honest on his assessments and interviews.

He understand this is almost a new project and every season we have had big change.

As much as we all want it to, it is pretty rare for things just to click and the team to work. It may take a year. But the improvements will be continuous even if a few ups and downs. Of course we still hope and strive for promotion.

For anyone going "oh but look at Sunderland" I'll raise you a Liverpool. That Liverpool squad is class. But they haven't played together long.

Poll:

Who do we think McKenna (not you) will partner Greaves with ?

I do think some of the criticising is getting out of hand. on 23:31 - Dec 28 with 253 views

Libero

I do think some of the criticising is getting out of hand. on 20:29 - Dec 28 by gtsb1966
The managers expectations are not being met. He tells us that yet he doesn't seem to be able to change it. And after the squad we have built at an incredible expense your expectations were/are?

We're third in the league, five points off 2nd and from a sample size of the last 12 games we're 2nd in the form table. Coventry ahead of us by four points...

There's no doubt that the inconsistency will be irking McKenna and there has been a few sub-par performances that McKenna has remarked upon- Charlton is the one that I personally found particularly disappointing.

My personal expectations for the season was to be fighting for automatic promotion, which we are.
Beyond that, I was hoping we'd firm up the centre of midfield and inject some legs and athleticism, which in my opinion was where we were the most sub-par from Premier League standard previously.
I think with Azor we've done that, Cajuste has shown moments, but I'd like to see another central midfielder and an out and out number nine brought in, other than that I think we're very well set and expect us to continue to be one of the best teams in the league, despite having not really pulled it together yet.

I do think some of the criticising is getting out of hand. on 00:11 - Dec 29 with 232 views

TRUE_BLUE123

I thought the posts around McKenna with him being on thin ice were nonsense and very disrespectful. There were genuinely people wanting him out which is absolute lunacy.

But I’m also pretty disappointed with our performance level this season. I can think of maybe a handful of games this year I think we have played well in other than that I think we have been pretty below par and I don’t think there is anything wrong in pointing that out, that’s what forums are for right ?

I think we are in a good league position I just wish we were here because of our brilliance as opposed to the leagues poor standard. Hopefully we can start to turn in some consistent performances in the 2nd half of the season now the players have had some time to bed in, starting on Monday.

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Will Paul Lambert be Ipswich Town manager on the final day of this season ?

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