| Starmer gives Farage a late Christmas present 08:21 - Dec 29 with 3667 views | GlasgowBlue |
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| Starmer gives Farage a late Christmas present on 16:06 - Dec 29 with 484 views | Kievthegreat |
| Starmer gives Farage a late Christmas present on 12:54 - Dec 29 by Churchman |
It doesn’t matter what he says now. People will say literally anything to gain something. He’s expressed his views and he presents a threat. For me it’s really simple. He should be thrown out, deported, exiled, citizenship revoked, I really don’t care how.
As for Starmer’s comments, how thick can you get? However much he supports and is happy for the bloke to return, wouldn’t it have been more sensible to keep his gob shut on this?
For me, citizenship should be a privilege, not a right. Anyone coming out with disgusting stuff like this: out you go. I know that’s hideously simplistic, but it’s how I see it; just a view. |
At present we strip citizenship for a small number of people, normally those who have gone overseas to join Terrorist organisations or regimes. It is probably the most extreme legal action a government can take against a citizen and should be rightly only for the most extreme cases.
If we move that bar from 'joining terrorists' to 'writing awful tweets', it is no longer an extreme punishment for extreme cases, it is an extreme punishment for subjective cases which are of a far less extreme nature. Shall we run through Nigel's social media history or Ten-name Tommy's and revoke their citizenship for unsavoury posts?
It's also dangerous to say citizenship is a privilege and not a right. It's the argument being made on the far-right now to revoke ILR and carry out their fascistic fetish of mass deportation (or remigration as they like to try and brand it). Normalising a state being able to deprive it's citizens of citizenship for words should never happen, even if it means sh1t bags like the person in question get to take advantage of such protection. |  | | |
| Starmer gives Farage a late Christmas present on 09:19 - Dec 30 with 344 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Starmer gives Farage a late Christmas present on 12:17 - Dec 29 by NthQldITFC |
Thatcher wrecked this country fella, she sold our futures off and now we're reaping the consequences of her actions. |
This is certainly not a defence of Thatcher (and was certainly before my time), but to keep blaming that government of 40+ years ago is a bit silly in my opinion. We’ve had many governments since including years of Labour that could have undone many of those changes. Blair had incredible fiscal/ sovereign debt position compared to now for example, he could easily have gone down the route of renationalisation or binned off right to buy. In my opinion subsequent governments are just as complicit as Thatcher, probably worse as they precided over much better performing economy (both UK and globally), and instead of investing in the country frittered it away including our gold reserves.
Likewise Blair and all the incompetents that followed did nothing to address regional inequality, they continued the de-industrialisation of the North and offered very little investment to attract quality jobs. Sorry bit of a rant, but just wanted to make the point that every government since is just as culpable. |  | | |
| Starmer gives Farage a late Christmas present on 12:13 - Dec 30 with 282 views | Clapham_Junction |
| Starmer gives Farage a late Christmas present on 09:19 - Dec 30 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
This is certainly not a defence of Thatcher (and was certainly before my time), but to keep blaming that government of 40+ years ago is a bit silly in my opinion. We’ve had many governments since including years of Labour that could have undone many of those changes. Blair had incredible fiscal/ sovereign debt position compared to now for example, he could easily have gone down the route of renationalisation or binned off right to buy. In my opinion subsequent governments are just as complicit as Thatcher, probably worse as they precided over much better performing economy (both UK and globally), and instead of investing in the country frittered it away including our gold reserves.
Likewise Blair and all the incompetents that followed did nothing to address regional inequality, they continued the de-industrialisation of the North and offered very little investment to attract quality jobs. Sorry bit of a rant, but just wanted to make the point that every government since is just as culpable. |
Some of the things done in the Thatcher era are practically irreversible – right to buy should have been scrapped, but a huge amount of damage had already been done. Not only the huge numbers of social housing lost, but also things like the creation of private leasehold flats in council-owned blocks that will continue pretty much forever.
Some is reversible but at significant cost, with none of the money made from privatisations or the oil and gas boom saved. |  | | |
| Starmer gives Farage a late Christmas present on 12:25 - Dec 30 with 253 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Starmer gives Farage a late Christmas present on 12:13 - Dec 30 by Clapham_Junction |
Some of the things done in the Thatcher era are practically irreversible – right to buy should have been scrapped, but a huge amount of damage had already been done. Not only the huge numbers of social housing lost, but also things like the creation of private leasehold flats in council-owned blocks that will continue pretty much forever.
Some is reversible but at significant cost, with none of the money made from privatisations or the oil and gas boom saved. |
Yes appreciate the cost but at the time Blair came in for example UK debt to GDP was only about 36pc, we could easily have funded renationalisation at that point without heaping debt for future generations as we are now (with failing public services). Point being that whatever the impact of Thatcher we’ve had another 40+ years of poor governance. It’s not as simple as saying blue team bad, red team good (not aimed at you). Both parties have brought us to where we are now. Labour’s faulure to tackle regional equality whilst in power is what brought us Boris and Brexit (with the huge support of the Red Wall who’ve been ignored for decades). [Post edited 30 Dec 12:27]
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| Starmer gives Farage a late Christmas present on 12:40 - Dec 30 with 229 views | Clapham_Junction |
| Starmer gives Farage a late Christmas present on 12:25 - Dec 30 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
Yes appreciate the cost but at the time Blair came in for example UK debt to GDP was only about 36pc, we could easily have funded renationalisation at that point without heaping debt for future generations as we are now (with failing public services). Point being that whatever the impact of Thatcher we’ve had another 40+ years of poor governance. It’s not as simple as saying blue team bad, red team good (not aimed at you). Both parties have brought us to where we are now. Labour’s faulure to tackle regional equality whilst in power is what brought us Boris and Brexit (with the huge support of the Red Wall who’ve been ignored for decades). [Post edited 30 Dec 12:27]
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Agree with most of that. Just a shame so many people shat the bed when it looked like there was a real alternative in 2017 and 2019.*
Now Labour have effectively rigged their next couple of leadership contests (by largely restricting the pool of MPs who will select the candidates), I don't see any hope from them anytime soon.
* I disagreed with most of the foreign policy views on offer, but the domestic stuff would have been a huge step in the right direction | | | |
| Starmer gives Farage a late Christmas present on 12:55 - Dec 30 with 206 views | EdwardStone |
| Starmer gives Farage a late Christmas present on 11:02 - Dec 29 by carlisleaway |
How this country is in desperate need of a strong leader, not forthcoming from anyone in the Labour camp……mind you that Green leader is a threat to the country..
Where is the next Churchill or Thatcher when you need them.
Farage is saying all the right things but not sure if he would be any better than Starmer |
Deary me.... it is sad to read your Nigel fanboy outpourings of man-love
Farage is a bone-idle, know-nothing grifter
He has literally no coherent plan for anything that will improve your life and mine
He agitated for many years for Brexit, which has cost our country billions of pounds, ramped up inflation and made a lot of life harder for many people whilst acheiving absolutely zero tangible benefit
He has harboured a Russian asset in his party; a guy stuffing his bank account with Kremlin gold for doing work on behalf of a hostile nation. I have grave suspicions that Farage himself is also a Russian asset, perfectly happy to take the rouble to work against the best interests of our nation
He is an opportunistic charlatan, who has been proven to be absolutely wrong about absolutely everything on absolutely every occasion
He is a squalid racist, a thin-skinned narcissist and he is only in the game for himself
Please could you provide some examples of him " Saying all the right things"
TIA [Post edited 30 Dec 12:57]
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| Starmer gives Farage a late Christmas present on 13:27 - Dec 30 with 163 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
What an embarrassment. |  |
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| Starmer gives Farage a late Christmas present on 13:39 - Dec 30 with 121 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Starmer gives Farage a late Christmas present on 10:05 - Dec 29 by Benters |
Fingers crossed on both counts.🤞 |
They will deservedly get wiped out. On the one and you have Graham Linehan being arrested at LHR for a tweet, on the other you have Alaa Abd El-Fattah being a top priority to get back to the country with his views. Not really a great surprise people have lost faith in these clowns. | |
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| Starmer gives Farage a late Christmas present on 13:43 - Dec 30 with 106 views | Churchman |
| Starmer gives Farage a late Christmas present on 16:06 - Dec 29 by Kievthegreat |
At present we strip citizenship for a small number of people, normally those who have gone overseas to join Terrorist organisations or regimes. It is probably the most extreme legal action a government can take against a citizen and should be rightly only for the most extreme cases.
If we move that bar from 'joining terrorists' to 'writing awful tweets', it is no longer an extreme punishment for extreme cases, it is an extreme punishment for subjective cases which are of a far less extreme nature. Shall we run through Nigel's social media history or Ten-name Tommy's and revoke their citizenship for unsavoury posts?
It's also dangerous to say citizenship is a privilege and not a right. It's the argument being made on the far-right now to revoke ILR and carry out their fascistic fetish of mass deportation (or remigration as they like to try and brand it). Normalising a state being able to deprive it's citizens of citizenship for words should never happen, even if it means sh1t bags like the person in question get to take advantage of such protection. |
Don’t really disagree with that.
Devils advocate: If somebody seeks to harm a fellow citizen, what gives that person the right to remain a citizen? An individual that seeks to kill forfeits any rights as far as I’m concerned - and nor do I want to pay for his bed and board. My taxes can go to a far better use than that.
Secondly, if words are translated to actions as has happened in the past, who is accountable? The perpetrator of course but what about the people who allowed that person to escalate to actions? Simplistic and unrealistic, but I think there is discussion room to pull it back to basic principles of right and wrong.
If that sounds right wing, it’s not meant to be because my historical posts will tell anyone I am most certainly not. I guess I hold the view that it’s a government’s first duty to protect its citizens from external and internal threat. It doesn’t feel like any government for decades agrees with that.
As an alternative, how about re-introducing banishment? Slightly medieval but just an idea. The problem is where? Can’t see Australia wanting a load more people on Devils Island.
As for Tommy and Farage, they’d be first out in my world. Along with a few others. Boris for crimes against the state and Chris Sutton for being annoying. |  | | |
| Starmer gives Farage a late Christmas present on 13:45 - Dec 30 with 97 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Starmer gives Farage a late Christmas present on 13:27 - Dec 30 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
What an embarrassment. |
What's the oddS that he is either brought on stage by Bob Vylan at Glastonbury or a guest at the next "Your Party" conference? | |
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| Starmer gives Farage a late Christmas present on 13:54 - Dec 30 with 66 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Starmer gives Farage a late Christmas present on 13:45 - Dec 30 by GlasgowBlue |
What's the oddS that he is either brought on stage by Bob Vylan at Glastonbury or a guest at the next "Your Party" conference? |
My mate was telling me this story in the pub Sunday night but I didn’t want to waste time reading about it or any political nonsense during the last couple of days of my enjoyable Christmas break. I thought he might have been exaggerating. Now I am caught up with it in full, it’s basically parody isn’t it!
How on earth did the tories award people with those publicly posted views and values citizenship in the first place?!
Then Starmer tweeting that! I’m not sure what’s worse, the lack of basic research or if he truly does believe what he posted knowing the back story and the guys history.
They really don’t do much to help their public perception do they? | |
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| Starmer gives Farage a late Christmas present on 14:05 - Dec 30 with 37 views | J2BLUE |
| Starmer gives Farage a late Christmas present on 13:45 - Dec 30 by GlasgowBlue |
What's the oddS that he is either brought on stage by Bob Vylan at Glastonbury or a guest at the next "Your Party" conference? |
Constant flashbacks to "we're on the same side mate" |  |
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| Starmer gives Farage a late Christmas present on 14:07 - Dec 30 with 24 views | Churchman |
| Starmer gives Farage a late Christmas present on 13:54 - Dec 30 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
My mate was telling me this story in the pub Sunday night but I didn’t want to waste time reading about it or any political nonsense during the last couple of days of my enjoyable Christmas break. I thought he might have been exaggerating. Now I am caught up with it in full, it’s basically parody isn’t it!
How on earth did the tories award people with those publicly posted views and values citizenship in the first place?!
Then Starmer tweeting that! I’m not sure what’s worse, the lack of basic research or if he truly does believe what he posted knowing the back story and the guys history.
They really don’t do much to help their public perception do they? |
I find it bewildering Joey. I’m guessing with say tories making Russians Lords and stuff it was all to do with money changing hands, but people who hold extreme views like this person being handed out citizenship?
As for Starmer, why get involved? | | | |
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