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About his time here and how much if it was the players not having it.
He was being asked to do a virtually impossible job after Evans flogged all the family silver, including the drawn out Waggy to Derby transfer debacle. I liked how Hurst spoke and a young coach at the end of Mick's time felt right.
I always remember us getting dumped out of the league cup at Exeter and Hurst (rightly imo) being pretty outspoken about it not being an acceptable performance. Chambo didn't seem too pleased n his own interview and seemed to indicate he was unhappy with the comments without directly calling it out.
You just got the feeling the senior players had got used to running things in a certain way under Mick and didn't feel that Hurst was qualified to take control.
Then there was the treatment of Knudsen and Bart. 'just because you've played at a world cup don't think it means you're first choice' etc. I kind of understood that from both angles but dropping Bart was bizarre.
Then there was all the stuff about Deputy Doig weighing the players in their underpants etc...
It seemed an unhappy ship from start.
A very short and dreadful period for the club but one where there seems like there's a fair few more stories to it.
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Seeing the Hurst news made me wonder on 18:43 - Jan 14 with 1775 views
Seeing the Hurst news made me wonder on 18:44 - Jan 14 by Swansea_Blue
Maybe the senior players realised he was well out of his depth?
Felt like that didn't it. But I also think Mick had run the club in a certain way. I think he leant on the big characters (Chambo, Didzy, Skuse etc) and used them to run things. It worked but I expect it then made it pretty hard for a young coach to come in and change things and players may have been resistant to new ideas.
Didzy himself mentioned how it was too comfortable at the club.
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Seeing the Hurst news made me wonder on 18:51 - Jan 14 with 1666 views
Seeing the Hurst news made me wonder on 18:43 - Jan 14 by MK1
Or, just be grateful that those days are well and truly behind us.
One of my journalist friends interviewed him while he was Grimsby boss after us - he said Hurst spent the whole interview denigrating Evans and Ipswich. He even brazenly said that Nolan and Toto were "top-class at Shrewsbury and deserved the step-up". I think he had an bad attitude problem at PR, and that put the backs up of a lot of the seniors.
He still felt, with a bit more money, he'd have taken us up into the Prem.
It was a car crash but oddly, it might have been very different.
That match vs Blackburn - if anyone cares to remember, we went a goal up inside 5 mins and for that 15 to 20 min spell before Blackburn scored we played some very decent stuff. A lot of movement and if I remember rightly, could easily have got another goal. Ended up drawing 2 all.
In fact, at times, we did play some good stuff. However, my biggest memory is that we just could not defend and, on top of that, zero resilience. If we conceded, that was pretty much it.
However, for a brief 15 to 20 minutes, I did genuinely think we might just have made an astute appointment.
Ade Akinbiyi couldn't hit a cows arse with a banjo...
Seeing the Hurst news made me wonder on 19:06 - Jan 14 by homer_123
It was a car crash but oddly, it might have been very different.
That match vs Blackburn - if anyone cares to remember, we went a goal up inside 5 mins and for that 15 to 20 min spell before Blackburn scored we played some very decent stuff. A lot of movement and if I remember rightly, could easily have got another goal. Ended up drawing 2 all.
In fact, at times, we did play some good stuff. However, my biggest memory is that we just could not defend and, on top of that, zero resilience. If we conceded, that was pretty much it.
However, for a brief 15 to 20 minutes, I did genuinely think we might just have made an astute appointment.
FWIW
Ade Akinbiyi couldn't hit a cows arse with a banjo...
Seeing the Hurst news made me wonder on 19:06 - Jan 14 by homer_123
It was a car crash but oddly, it might have been very different.
That match vs Blackburn - if anyone cares to remember, we went a goal up inside 5 mins and for that 15 to 20 min spell before Blackburn scored we played some very decent stuff. A lot of movement and if I remember rightly, could easily have got another goal. Ended up drawing 2 all.
In fact, at times, we did play some good stuff. However, my biggest memory is that we just could not defend and, on top of that, zero resilience. If we conceded, that was pretty much it.
However, for a brief 15 to 20 minutes, I did genuinely think we might just have made an astute appointment.
Just looking on a stats website and I think you're misremembering on the not being able to defend - we conceded 22 goals in his 14 games, which isn't a disastrous record for the bottom of the league team.
We'd only scored 11 though.
I recall us being organised and pragmatic but clearly without players remotely of the level to compete at Championship level, especially in attack. Jackson, Harrison and Sears were ouo striker options. And that was Sears post his decent spell for us under Mick.
And re the OP, Hurst came in billy bog bollox and thought he could make his mark without needing to bring the senior players along with him. It was outstandingly naïve/arrogant of him to think that would work. I think he was entirely responsible for his own failings.
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Seeing the Hurst news made me wonder on 19:14 - Jan 14 by Dubtractor
Just looking on a stats website and I think you're misremembering on the not being able to defend - we conceded 22 goals in his 14 games, which isn't a disastrous record for the bottom of the league team.
We'd only scored 11 though.
I recall us being organised and pragmatic but clearly without players remotely of the level to compete at Championship level, especially in attack. Jackson, Harrison and Sears were ouo striker options. And that was Sears post his decent spell for us under Mick.
And re the OP, Hurst came in billy bog bollox and thought he could make his mark without needing to bring the senior players along with him. It was outstandingly naïve/arrogant of him to think that would work. I think he was entirely responsible for his own failings.
I seem to recall that a lot of those goals were poor to concede. We got to the point where you could see our heads would go if we shipped a goal under him.
Have a little look at the highlights of the Blackburn game, Edwards looked on fire!!!
That aside, I'm not disagreeing that it was a disaster of an appointment and it was largely on him.
However, I'll say this - I would not change it, I wouldn't change Lambert or Keane either...all of it led us to where we are now, which is in a significantly better space and place than we would 'ever' have been under with Evans at the helm.
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Ade Akinbiyi couldn't hit a cows arse with a banjo...
Seeing the Hurst news made me wonder on 19:14 - Jan 14 by Dubtractor
Just looking on a stats website and I think you're misremembering on the not being able to defend - we conceded 22 goals in his 14 games, which isn't a disastrous record for the bottom of the league team.
We'd only scored 11 though.
I recall us being organised and pragmatic but clearly without players remotely of the level to compete at Championship level, especially in attack. Jackson, Harrison and Sears were ouo striker options. And that was Sears post his decent spell for us under Mick.
And re the OP, Hurst came in billy bog bollox and thought he could make his mark without needing to bring the senior players along with him. It was outstandingly naïve/arrogant of him to think that would work. I think he was entirely responsible for his own failings.
Yeah, there were many issues in his disastrous reign but the biggest one on the pitch was clearly that he took all the goals out of the team and didn't replace them properly.
Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand.
Seeing the Hurst news made me wonder on 19:22 - Jan 14 by LankHenners
Yeah, there were many issues in his disastrous reign but the biggest one on the pitch was clearly that he took all the goals out of the team and didn't replace them properly.
It was a really weird situation as you could, kind of, see what he was trying to do with how we played.
There was more 'football' than under Mick, for certain but, by heck, it ended up being an disaster that lead to Lambert....
Ade Akinbiyi couldn't hit a cows arse with a banjo...
Seeing the Hurst news made me wonder on 19:26 - Jan 14 by BlueBadger
I think we were definitely locked into a cycle of diminishing returns under Mick, but the collapse once he went was astonishingly quick.
Yeah. It was so quick. Mick was the sticking plaster just about holding everything together. As soon as he was removed the state of the club under Evans was revealed.
Mick had to go. The football had become unwatchable and Evans let things drift terribly. But what came next was pretty sobering.
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Seeing the Hurst news made me wonder on 20:05 - Jan 14 with 1078 views
I lost a lot of respect for our 'captain' chambers at that point.
arranging meetings with skuse and other players behind the managers back imo isn't on
It wasn't hurst's fault he got the job, he was a young manager who probably shouldn't have been hired but he tried to do it his way and it wasn't a good way, but that doesn't mean the skipper should go behind a managers back imo
Seeing the Hurst news made me wonder on 19:06 - Jan 14 by homer_123
It was a car crash but oddly, it might have been very different.
That match vs Blackburn - if anyone cares to remember, we went a goal up inside 5 mins and for that 15 to 20 min spell before Blackburn scored we played some very decent stuff. A lot of movement and if I remember rightly, could easily have got another goal. Ended up drawing 2 all.
In fact, at times, we did play some good stuff. However, my biggest memory is that we just could not defend and, on top of that, zero resilience. If we conceded, that was pretty much it.
However, for a brief 15 to 20 minutes, I did genuinely think we might just have made an astute appointment.
Should have beat Norwich too
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Seeing the Hurst news made me wonder on 20:16 - Jan 14 with 988 views
From memory it was fees or wages. That doesn’t go hand in hand and sadly showed the incompetence of Evans. Hurst spent on fees, but had to shop League two to attract players in the wage bracket. The other option was high wages on frees. Ridiculous all round.
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Seeing the Hurst news made me wonder on 20:51 - Jan 14 with 776 views
I heard that Doig told Chambers he was a better player than he'd ever Fe and offered him out for a fight during training. Hurst was late arriving after he left Shrewsbury as he went in holiday, turned up and spent his first day with his feet up on the desk. Watched us lose or draw to QPR, think it was his last game? The players were clearly ignoring his shouting from the touchline and at the end he shrugged his shoulders and walked off. The.n Lambert arrived and it got even worse!
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