| Sammy S interview 20:51 - Feb 4 with 2326 views | FrimleyBlue |
Talking about free role, being best for him etc etc
You'd have thought that discussion would have taken place last summer and he'd realise he wasn't going to get that here..
Obviously big pay rise etc for coming, that was a given
but it makes it even more daft that we even bothered with it. |  |
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| Sammy S interview on 21:13 - Feb 4 with 2195 views | BlueOura |
I doubt SS would have expected to get a free role here when he signed, with it being in the EPL at the time. I rather suspect he would have been sold the idea of developing his gsme, playing different roles for the team and learning more on the defensive side etc.
I am sure that the chance of playing EPL football alone ( plus the pay rise ) would have been more than enough to convince him to join. He did ok in the prem but overall it hasn.t quite worked out for him here for a number of reasons. It happens and we move on, as does he. |  | | |
| Sammy S interview on 21:21 - Feb 4 with 2122 views | Smoresy |
Once in a lifetime Frimmers young chap on the part of Sam. And both will have believed it could work, last summer and this. |  | | |
| Sammy S interview on 21:37 - Feb 4 with 2024 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Sammy S interview on 21:13 - Feb 4 by BlueOura |
I doubt SS would have expected to get a free role here when he signed, with it being in the EPL at the time. I rather suspect he would have been sold the idea of developing his gsme, playing different roles for the team and learning more on the defensive side etc.
I am sure that the chance of playing EPL football alone ( plus the pay rise ) would have been more than enough to convince him to join. He did ok in the prem but overall it hasn.t quite worked out for him here for a number of reasons. It happens and we move on, as does he. |
I don't really think a 29 year old would have been fussed about developing his game..
defo a move of a prem dream though of course, which you can't begrudge
but what i don't get it surely during those dicusssions it would have been mentioned that the reason for his previous season was because of the way he played.. just seems to bloody silly to get someone who can't do what made them have that successful year.
Bit different if he was early 20S and you're developing him for future seasons of course. | |
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| Sammy S interview on 23:13 - Feb 4 with 1689 views | davblue |
He’s an instinctive footballer. I quite like him but he might be a bit too off the cuff for Mckenna. |  | | |
| Sammy S interview on 07:44 - Feb 5 with 1335 views | BlueOura |
| Sammy S interview on 21:37 - Feb 4 by FrimleyBlue |
I don't really think a 29 year old would have been fussed about developing his game..
defo a move of a prem dream though of course, which you can't begrudge
but what i don't get it surely during those dicusssions it would have been mentioned that the reason for his previous season was because of the way he played.. just seems to bloody silly to get someone who can't do what made them have that successful year.
Bit different if he was early 20S and you're developing him for future seasons of course. |
Why would a footballer not want to further develop his game just because he hits 29?
I have heard 35 year old footballers talking about their enthusiam to keep deveolping and learning, so i'm not buying that one.
I get what you are saying in regards to his role but it was just never realistic that he could play his Blackburn role for us in the EPL and I am pretty sure both club and player would have been fully aware of that. The expectation may have been ( from SS at least ) that he would have seen something closer to that this season in the Championship but for a variey of reasons it just hasn't happened. | | | |
| Sammy S interview on 08:18 - Feb 5 with 1203 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| Sammy S interview on 23:13 - Feb 4 by davblue |
He’s an instinctive footballer. I quite like him but he might be a bit too off the cuff for Mckenna. |
I don't think he is too off the cuff for Mckenna by any means. I think he is just a very limited footballer. His skillset is running in behind, playing on the last shoulder, 1v1. Teams don't give us as much space in behind as they gave us in the prem, or they gave Blackburn a couple seasons back. So he has to do take the ball more in tough areas and he doesnt have the ability to do that. |  |
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| Sammy S interview on 08:27 - Feb 5 with 1169 views | pointofblue |
| Sammy S interview on 21:37 - Feb 4 by FrimleyBlue |
I don't really think a 29 year old would have been fussed about developing his game..
defo a move of a prem dream though of course, which you can't begrudge
but what i don't get it surely during those dicusssions it would have been mentioned that the reason for his previous season was because of the way he played.. just seems to bloody silly to get someone who can't do what made them have that successful year.
Bit different if he was early 20S and you're developing him for future seasons of course. |
"Bit different if he was early 20S and you're developing him for future seasons of course."
Though you get ripped to shreds on here if you're a late teens/early 20s player in that position. | |
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| Sammy S interview on 08:48 - Feb 5 with 1110 views | tractorboy1978 |
He was actually very effective for us away from home before he got injured in the PL though. Ultimately he will go down as a 'bad buy' but it wasn't always that way. | | | |
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| Sammy S interview on 09:02 - Feb 5 with 1051 views | Dubtractor |
| Sammy S interview on 08:18 - Feb 5 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
I don't think he is too off the cuff for Mckenna by any means. I think he is just a very limited footballer. His skillset is running in behind, playing on the last shoulder, 1v1. Teams don't give us as much space in behind as they gave us in the prem, or they gave Blackburn a couple seasons back. So he has to do take the ball more in tough areas and he doesnt have the ability to do that. |
Exactly this.
He isn't a particularly technical or skilful player, and with us increasingly facing teams that crowd out space in the middle, that massively limits his ability to be effective for us. |  |
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| Sammy S interview on 09:39 - Feb 5 with 949 views | davblue |
| Sammy S interview on 08:18 - Feb 5 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
I don't think he is too off the cuff for Mckenna by any means. I think he is just a very limited footballer. His skillset is running in behind, playing on the last shoulder, 1v1. Teams don't give us as much space in behind as they gave us in the prem, or they gave Blackburn a couple seasons back. So he has to do take the ball more in tough areas and he doesnt have the ability to do that. |
that's a fair challenge tbh. | | | |
| Sammy S interview on 10:06 - Feb 5 with 824 views | darkhorse28 |
We sign a lot of players and then try to change them.
Jens, Nunez. Taylor have never played CDM, all played as 8’s or 10’s
Jack Clarke we spent 12 months (in the prem) ‘learning a new role’ .., odd to sign the best winger in the championship and change his role at a time you can’t sting any results together.
It’s a theme. McKenna clearly prioritises making his coaching life more interesting, varied and challenging.
Can’t blame the players. They joined a successful club and coach and maybe just maybe KM wasn’t at the level they expected, less than the sum of their parts has become normal, McKenna getting in his own way, normal.
A GK in Muric to play out, who can’t pass straight - CDMs who can’t play facing their goal or do the defensive side, wide players asked to invert for the first time in their careers, the best attacking left back in history (in this league) asked to invert instead of over lap, and Akpom, Greaves, McAteer, Jens, Johnson .., Phillips, and a very long list of players who produce far less than their best over now a very long period.
The theme isn’t an individual player, we have inherent structural issues in talent ID and coaching.
And it’s getting worse too.
Get a feeling KM needs to be in a structure where he’s more detached form talent if like Brentford, Brighton, Bournemouth etc
And we need a structure where he’s AND Ashton are well away from it - Ashton is like Del Boy, his need to trade and McKennas to get interesting coaching projects, became more important than outcomes.
We paid £200 million to go on that journey. | | | |
| Sammy S interview on 10:25 - Feb 5 with 765 views | jayessess |
| Sammy S interview on 09:02 - Feb 5 by Dubtractor |
Exactly this.
He isn't a particularly technical or skilful player, and with us increasingly facing teams that crowd out space in the middle, that massively limits his ability to be effective for us. |
For all the stuff about role fit, the bottom line is that we'd be fine with Szmodics' contribution if his finishing had been better.
Last season he scored 4 times from 21 shots across 990 minutes.
This season he's scored 1 time from 21 shots across 677 minutes.
If he'd scored 4 times in under 8 full games worth of match time, winning us a few more points in the process, he probably wouldn't be going on loan to Derby.
That's not the system's fault and there's no hiding place when it's your main attribute (movement, finishing) that lets you down. [Post edited 5 Feb 10:31]
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| Sammy S interview on 10:37 - Feb 5 with 711 views | JammyDodgerrr |
| Sammy S interview on 08:48 - Feb 5 by tractorboy1978 |
He was actually very effective for us away from home before he got injured in the PL though. Ultimately he will go down as a 'bad buy' but it wasn't always that way. |
Yes, absolutely. This is a great post. |  |
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| Sammy S interview on 10:40 - Feb 5 with 700 views | Steve_M |
| Sammy S interview on 10:25 - Feb 5 by jayessess |
For all the stuff about role fit, the bottom line is that we'd be fine with Szmodics' contribution if his finishing had been better.
Last season he scored 4 times from 21 shots across 990 minutes.
This season he's scored 1 time from 21 shots across 677 minutes.
If he'd scored 4 times in under 8 full games worth of match time, winning us a few more points in the process, he probably wouldn't be going on loan to Derby.
That's not the system's fault and there's no hiding place when it's your main attribute (movement, finishing) that lets you down. [Post edited 5 Feb 10:31]
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Also, that sort of return in the Premier League might be acceptable but it isn't really in the Championship when Szmodics' link up play is so limited. |  |
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