| If we achieve our pre season objective of promotion 20:34 - Feb 12 with 2454 views | ashtonscoffeecup |
I don’t believe this is out of turn to discuss, but we’d see a huge influx of new players, resulting in bonding/settling time, learning what KM wants etc.
in my mind currently we would need to bring in, as a minimum;
GK
RB
CB
DCM
ACM X 2
ST x 2
is that a fair assessment? i can’t see many of this current squad making the step up (however hugely appreciated them for getting us there - if they do)
that’s a £150/200m of new player to come in. could be another busy summer |  | | |  |
| If we achieve our pre season objective of promotion on 09:06 - Feb 13 with 487 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| If we achieve our pre season objective of promotion on 09:02 - Feb 13 by lurcher |
We wont need more than about 6 players if we sign all of the loans we have now.
GK, ST, RW, AM, RCB and a RB
Most of this squad will be better at a higher level. |
Who is playing in centre midfield...... |  |
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| If we achieve our pre season objective of promotion on 09:29 - Feb 13 with 461 views | Wright1 |
Yeah I think this is about right. I think the difference this time is that there are more players in the squad who you feel can contribute - whether that be filling the gaps around the new signings or coming off the bench/adding depth.
I think O'Shea, Kipre, Davis, Matusiwa, Burns, J.Clarke, Philogene... early days but maybe Mehmeti... can all play a role in a PL squad for us. Walton is a capable back up keeper. If Cajuste and Greaves are 4th/5th choice in their roles then you'd have to take that as a sign of progress and say they are worthy of a space too.
The interesting thing will be what happens to those deemed surplus but one to worry about in the summer. | | | |
| If we achieve our pre season objective of promotion on 09:45 - Feb 13 with 451 views | MattinLondon |
| If we achieve our pre season objective of promotion on 07:31 - Feb 13 by ashtonscoffeecup |
they didn’t help us stay up last time round, what makes you think the outcome would be different next time?
genuine question, as i don’t see the point in trying what failed before, personally. |
If it wasn’t for Delap’s goals and Omari’s creativity, our relegation would’ve happened a lot sooner. They were the two which gave the club some hope of staying up.
It was silly defensive errors and a weak midfield which were the clubs downfall.
I would welcome both of those players back. |  | | |
| If we achieve our pre season objective of promotion on 10:23 - Feb 13 with 439 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| If we achieve our pre season objective of promotion on 09:45 - Feb 13 by MattinLondon |
If it wasn’t for Delap’s goals and Omari’s creativity, our relegation would’ve happened a lot sooner. They were the two which gave the club some hope of staying up.
It was silly defensive errors and a weak midfield which were the clubs downfall.
I would welcome both of those players back. |
The fact that as a newly promoted Prem team we had a guy who bagged 12 goals was very impressive. As you say, it was what was around him that was the issue. | |
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| If we achieve our pre season objective of promotion on 11:01 - Feb 13 with 405 views | lurcher |
| If we achieve our pre season objective of promotion on 09:06 - Feb 13 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
Who is playing in centre midfield...... |
Neil, Matusiwa, Cajuste, Taylor or Nunez |  | | |
| If we achieve our pre season objective of promotion on 11:09 - Feb 13 with 382 views | Axeldalai_lama |
| If we achieve our pre season objective of promotion on 09:29 - Feb 13 by Wright1 |
Yeah I think this is about right. I think the difference this time is that there are more players in the squad who you feel can contribute - whether that be filling the gaps around the new signings or coming off the bench/adding depth.
I think O'Shea, Kipre, Davis, Matusiwa, Burns, J.Clarke, Philogene... early days but maybe Mehmeti... can all play a role in a PL squad for us. Walton is a capable back up keeper. If Cajuste and Greaves are 4th/5th choice in their roles then you'd have to take that as a sign of progress and say they are worthy of a space too.
The interesting thing will be what happens to those deemed surplus but one to worry about in the summer. |
Exactly this. When you look at last time our regular subs included Taylor, Luongo, Burgess, AAH, H Clarke, Johnson, Chappers, and our regular starters included Cajuste, Morsy Szmodics, Phillips, and weirdly Burgess and Johnson more than I remembered. We would have subs of Nunez Clarke philogene greaves maybe Mehmeti, and starters only Davis and Matusiwa, O Shea at a push. The likes of Cajuste egeli kipre furlong Taylor Hirst not getting much of a look in at all potentially. |  | | |
| If we achieve our pre season objective of promotion on 11:16 - Feb 13 with 373 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| If we achieve our pre season objective of promotion on 09:02 - Feb 13 by lurcher |
We wont need more than about 6 players if we sign all of the loans we have now.
GK, ST, RW, AM, RCB and a RB
Most of this squad will be better at a higher level. |
Nah way more than that, some of our key starters this year couldn’t step up and start every week in that league. Jack Clarke one of the better players in the champ, still get brushed off the ball at this level, Kipre gets run in behind pretty consistently in the EFL. Our captain has never played in a team that stayed up but might have a chance if we get the right players around him.
One CL appearance aside even Philogene has had little impact when he’s started games or come for a better side. Obviously we know his talents and he’d be one you’d hope can do it but the size is a worry if starting every week.
We’d need so much physicality, pace and athleticism brought into the team to have any chance at all. A proper keeper and striker as well. It’s not about Premier League experience it’s about top European experience that want a chance tk play in the best league in the world.
We were a million miles away last time and if it wasn’t for Delap’s first half of the season, we’d have been right there with a Southampton type points total I suspect. [Post edited 13 Feb 11:19]
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| If we achieve our pre season objective of promotion on 11:24 - Feb 13 with 352 views | Axeldalai_lama |
| If we achieve our pre season objective of promotion on 11:16 - Feb 13 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Nah way more than that, some of our key starters this year couldn’t step up and start every week in that league. Jack Clarke one of the better players in the champ, still get brushed off the ball at this level, Kipre gets run in behind pretty consistently in the EFL. Our captain has never played in a team that stayed up but might have a chance if we get the right players around him.
One CL appearance aside even Philogene has had little impact when he’s started games or come for a better side. Obviously we know his talents and he’d be one you’d hope can do it but the size is a worry if starting every week.
We’d need so much physicality, pace and athleticism brought into the team to have any chance at all. A proper keeper and striker as well. It’s not about Premier League experience it’s about top European experience that want a chance tk play in the best league in the world.
We were a million miles away last time and if it wasn’t for Delap’s first half of the season, we’d have been right there with a Southampton type points total I suspect. [Post edited 13 Feb 11:19]
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Yep, and I don't see it as a bad thing that we'd need nearly a whole new team. The best of our players at the moment become subs and we develop and evolve with a higher base line. | | | |
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| If we achieve our pre season objective of promotion on 11:25 - Feb 13 with 352 views | lowhouseblue |
i don't think we're any more prepared for the premier league than we were in 2024. so i don't really see how we have built on that first promotion. will we have more money to throw at the premier league ready additions this summer? or will we just hope to get the selection better this time? |  |
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| If we achieve our pre season objective of promotion on 11:26 - Feb 13 with 349 views | Wright1 |
| If we achieve our pre season objective of promotion on 09:02 - Feb 13 by lurcher |
We wont need more than about 6 players if we sign all of the loans we have now.
GK, ST, RW, AM, RCB and a RB
Most of this squad will be better at a higher level. |
Absolutely can't see us being successful without a couple more. It only takes a couple of injuries and you're almost back to your Championship team.
Look at what Forest did when they were promoted or Sunderland this year - unfortunately that is the route to success. | | | |
| If we achieve our pre season objective of promotion on 11:31 - Feb 13 with 338 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| If we achieve our pre season objective of promotion on 11:24 - Feb 13 by Axeldalai_lama |
Yep, and I don't see it as a bad thing that we'd need nearly a whole new team. The best of our players at the moment become subs and we develop and evolve with a higher base line. |
They’ll never say it but I suspect the likes of Furlong were purchased to be streetwise and get out of this league not start a level up. Not a bad back up to have in your squad though.
I like what I’ve seen of Nunez and Mehmeti in his short sample size but there’s a reason PL teams haven’t come in for them for a few million quid any of the last few summers.
They could play a part you’d hope but I don’t see them as consistent starters. Maybe I’m wrong, we’d have to see. | |
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| If we achieve our pre season objective of promotion on 11:39 - Feb 13 with 314 views | monty_radio |
| If we achieve our pre season objective of promotion on 11:25 - Feb 13 by lowhouseblue |
i don't think we're any more prepared for the premier league than we were in 2024. so i don't really see how we have built on that first promotion. will we have more money to throw at the premier league ready additions this summer? or will we just hope to get the selection better this time? |
It doesn't seem controversial to suggest that some of our players - Clarke, Philogene, Matusiwa are technically better than the previous crop but (and I'm aware that some board stalwarts won't hear this) our style would be easily countered in the Prem unless we mix it up a lot more. And that's where European purchases a la Sunderland would be required. At least 6 regular starters, maybe more. | |
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| If we achieve our pre season objective of promotion on 11:42 - Feb 13 with 308 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| If we achieve our pre season objective of promotion on 11:01 - Feb 13 by lurcher |
Neil, Matusiwa, Cajuste, Taylor or Nunez |
We would get absolutely battered in midfield on a weekly basis. | |
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| If we achieve our pre season objective of promotion on 11:48 - Feb 13 with 294 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| If we achieve our pre season objective of promotion on 11:42 - Feb 13 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
We would get absolutely battered in midfield on a weekly basis. |
Yep! Sunderland were ruthless and their hometown long standing captain only got only a few PL minutes this season (he didn’t even touch the ball apparently). And he’s miles above Taylor as I suspect we are about to find out in the next few months. You need upgrades on upgrades in the middle of the park if JT is your answer for premier league football. [Post edited 13 Feb 11:49]
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| If we achieve our pre season objective of promotion on 11:55 - Feb 13 with 285 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
Of the 34 senior players (8 out on loan) we have on the books right now, I see 21 remaining, with the need to add 6-7 'starters' to the squad and a handful of new younger/ fringe/development players to fill out the senior squad (a few out on loan) | | | |
| If we achieve our pre season objective of promotion on 11:58 - Feb 13 with 276 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| If we achieve our pre season objective of promotion on 11:55 - Feb 13 by SuffolkPunchFC |
Of the 34 senior players (8 out on loan) we have on the books right now, I see 21 remaining, with the need to add 6-7 'starters' to the squad and a handful of new younger/ fringe/development players to fill out the senior squad (a few out on loan) |
We’d need bigger turnover than that to have a chance of a squad that could compete. | |
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| If we achieve our pre season objective of promotion on 12:02 - Feb 13 with 255 views | coote |
| If we achieve our pre season objective of promotion on 11:39 - Feb 13 by monty_radio |
It doesn't seem controversial to suggest that some of our players - Clarke, Philogene, Matusiwa are technically better than the previous crop but (and I'm aware that some board stalwarts won't hear this) our style would be easily countered in the Prem unless we mix it up a lot more. And that's where European purchases a la Sunderland would be required. At least 6 regular starters, maybe more. |
I feel we’d need a new “inside left 10”
I know they’re decent in the championship but no chance Clarke/Philogene are premiership players. |  | | |
| If we achieve our pre season objective of promotion on 12:21 - Feb 13 with 231 views | BiGDonnie |
Walton, Davis, O'Shea, Greaves, Kipre, Furlong, Matusiwa, Cajuste, Philogene, Clarke, Mehmeti, Egeli and Burns can all do a job.
We'd need 5/6 prem qualty/experiences players. |  |
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| If we achieve our pre season objective of promotion on 12:23 - Feb 13 with 226 views | MattinLondon |
| If we achieve our pre season objective of promotion on 10:23 - Feb 13 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
The fact that as a newly promoted Prem team we had a guy who bagged 12 goals was very impressive. As you say, it was what was around him that was the issue. |
And that is why the club needs to cast its net further afield in order to identify suitable players without having to spend the extra premium for them either being English. Or playing in the PL and, to a lesser extent the Championship.
Due to the rapid rise of the club that could strangely excuse the lack of adequate recruitment as off-the-pitch, the club couldn’t keep up with on-field success.
But now, if the club hasn’t the ability to do so, the club could end up being a very very expensive version of Trigger’s Broom - replacing players with similar standard and ending up with essentially the same team.
The trouble being, a lot of other clubs all over Europe are doing the same. [Post edited 13 Feb 12:52]
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| If we achieve our pre season objective of promotion on 12:43 - Feb 13 with 184 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| If we achieve our pre season objective of promotion on 12:21 - Feb 13 by BiGDonnie |
Walton, Davis, O'Shea, Greaves, Kipre, Furlong, Matusiwa, Cajuste, Philogene, Clarke, Mehmeti, Egeli and Burns can all do a job.
We'd need 5/6 prem qualty/experiences players. |
You’re so far off the mark. | |
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| If we achieve our pre season objective of promotion on 12:47 - Feb 13 with 166 views | Axeldalai_lama |
| If we achieve our pre season objective of promotion on 11:25 - Feb 13 by lowhouseblue |
i don't think we're any more prepared for the premier league than we were in 2024. so i don't really see how we have built on that first promotion. will we have more money to throw at the premier league ready additions this summer? or will we just hope to get the selection better this time? |
That's just not true logically speaking. We had o Shea and greaves as starters in the prem and wouldn't next time, they'd be on the bench instead of Burgess and woolf. Johnson was a regular starter and sub I the prem, he's not getting champ games now. Cajuste was starting, Taylor played a part in every game almost, we've only really lost hutch and Delap and would be looking at that level to get it upon promotion. We had early benches of harness AAH H Clarke Luongo Taylor and Edmundson, in the premier League, not the championship. Now we'd have at *worst* Nunez egeli Cajuste greaves Mehmeti.
No comparison. But we're not even there yet. | | | |
| If we achieve our pre season objective of promotion on 12:53 - Feb 13 with 152 views | PrideOfTheEast |
Presumably roles for O’Shea, Davis, Greaves, Egeli, Matisuwa, Clarke, Philogene, Mehmeti. But that’ll be about it and would imagine we’d have 8 new starters. | | | |
| If we achieve our pre season objective of promotion on 12:59 - Feb 13 with 129 views | ipswichtillidie |
| If we achieve our pre season objective of promotion on 12:47 - Feb 13 by Axeldalai_lama |
That's just not true logically speaking. We had o Shea and greaves as starters in the prem and wouldn't next time, they'd be on the bench instead of Burgess and woolf. Johnson was a regular starter and sub I the prem, he's not getting champ games now. Cajuste was starting, Taylor played a part in every game almost, we've only really lost hutch and Delap and would be looking at that level to get it upon promotion. We had early benches of harness AAH H Clarke Luongo Taylor and Edmundson, in the premier League, not the championship. Now we'd have at *worst* Nunez egeli Cajuste greaves Mehmeti.
No comparison. But we're not even there yet. |
Exactly this. We are starting from a higher ceiling in regards squad. Players like O’Shea/Geaves/Kipre/Davis may end up being squad players on the edges. If promoted we would again need a substantial overhaul but this time we would be upgrading from a stronger base. We have top end championship players through out the squad. Some will step up, some won’t. I wouldn’t write anyone off. I’m sure our transfer strategy will be very different this time around. As mentioned we need physically strong quick players to cope with the demands. Imran Louzer my only wish from th championship being the exception. |  |
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| If we achieve our pre season objective of promotion on 12:59 - Feb 13 with 125 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| If we achieve our pre season objective of promotion on 11:58 - Feb 13 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
We’d need bigger turnover than that to have a chance of a squad that could compete. |
We'll have to agree to disagree then.
Bringing in 12-13 players this summer is going to be pretty disruptive in itself, and we need to get the balance right between continuity and adding quality to the starters.
For reference Sunderland (who people often put forward as the promoted poster child for understandable reasons) signed 11 plus a couple of loans and frees, of which 6 are starting for them in most games. | | | |
| If we achieve our pre season objective of promotion on 13:07 - Feb 13 with 99 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| If we achieve our pre season objective of promotion on 12:59 - Feb 13 by SuffolkPunchFC |
We'll have to agree to disagree then.
Bringing in 12-13 players this summer is going to be pretty disruptive in itself, and we need to get the balance right between continuity and adding quality to the starters.
For reference Sunderland (who people often put forward as the promoted poster child for understandable reasons) signed 11 plus a couple of loans and frees, of which 6 are starting for them in most games. |
It’s only Hume and Ballard from last year that play for them isn’t it?
I guess Le Fee who was an excellent loan signing from Roma counts as well, think he was got in last January with an obligation. | |
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