| Another U-turn incoming on 13:13 - Feb 18 with 1291 views | DJR |
It's not clear to me that there is anyone competent waiting in the wings.
It's basically the Labour Together lot running the show, with Rayner the only other person with a prospect of becoming leader who is distanced from them.
At the end of the day, the McSweeney/Labour Together strategy won them the election but without much popular support and without any real consideration given as to how they would govern. [Post edited 18 Feb 13:17]
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| Another U-turn incoming on 13:17 - Feb 18 with 1268 views | MattinLondon |
They have no helped themselves at all.
I do think that the minimum wage should be the same for everyone regardless of age. With employers increasing their employees wages according to experience and responsibility. |  | | |
| Another U-turn incoming on 13:21 - Feb 18 with 1242 views | Vaughan8 |
The problem is they wanted the headlines of "we're putting up the minimum wage" but in reality it means they'll be less jobs, hence the 5 year high unemployment, Along with the NI threshold dropping for employers etc, its not going to get better.
A lot of youngsters work in retail/hospitality sectors which have also had their business rates jump up a lot this year.
What do we expect? |  | | |
| Another U-turn incoming on 13:22 - Feb 18 with 1237 views | ElderGrizzly |
I am surprised they announced it, especially when just yesterday Reform said they'd actually go and cut the current minimum wage for under 21s.
Unsurprisingly today, Jenrick also said they'd keep the Triple Lock on pensions because they know who votes for them... |  | | |
| Another U-turn incoming on 13:22 - Feb 18 with 1228 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Another U-turn incoming on 13:17 - Feb 18 by MattinLondon |
They have no helped themselves at all.
I do think that the minimum wage should be the same for everyone regardless of age. With employers increasing their employees wages according to experience and responsibility. |
If a business can't afford £12 an hour rather than £10 then it probably shouldn't be in business! |  |
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| Another U-turn incoming on 13:28 - Feb 18 with 1197 views | MattinLondon |
| Another U-turn incoming on 13:22 - Feb 18 by BanksterDebtSlave |
If a business can't afford £12 an hour rather than £10 then it probably shouldn't be in business! |
Businesses will always complain about added workers rights. From not being allowed to employ kids, having to pay women the same, the minimum wage and now this.
I’m sure that businesses do have legitimate concerns regarding escalating costs such as electricity etc etc etc. But as you say, if employers can’t afford to pay a decent wage then they shouldn’t be in business. | | | |
| Another U-turn incoming on 13:49 - Feb 18 with 1133 views | jasondozzell |
This is the end result of the centrists fight to win back power. The most dishonest and inept government there's ever been.
Johnson's government literally had more political direction and nous! |  | | |
| Another U-turn incoming on 13:53 - Feb 18 with 1110 views | itfcjoe |
| Another U-turn incoming on 13:22 - Feb 18 by BanksterDebtSlave |
If a business can't afford £12 an hour rather than £10 then it probably shouldn't be in business! |
Easy to say that if you aren't running one |  |
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| Another U-turn incoming on 13:55 - Feb 18 with 1089 views | MattinLondon |
| Another U-turn incoming on 13:49 - Feb 18 by jasondozzell |
This is the end result of the centrists fight to win back power. The most dishonest and inept government there's ever been.
Johnson's government literally had more political direction and nous! |
Bollox. | | | |
| Another U-turn incoming on 14:00 - Feb 18 with 1061 views | jasondozzell |
| Another U-turn incoming on 13:55 - Feb 18 by MattinLondon |
Bollox. |
These are your guys. Own it! They will deliver a Reform government. | | | |
| Another U-turn incoming on 14:21 - Feb 18 with 1017 views | MattinLondon |
| Another U-turn incoming on 14:00 - Feb 18 by jasondozzell |
These are your guys. Own it! They will deliver a Reform government. |
Utter bollox. That’s like saying Corbyn delivered a May government and sealed the deal for the right of the Tory party to consolidate its power. Bringing in Boris and the country sliding further and further down.
Hope you’re proud of yourself…..something about owning it. | | | |
| Another U-turn incoming on 14:23 - Feb 18 with 1003 views | DarkBrandon |
| Another U-turn incoming on 13:22 - Feb 18 by BanksterDebtSlave |
If a business can't afford £12 an hour rather than £10 then it probably shouldn't be in business! |
We've increased the minimum wage a *LOT* in recent years.
Eventually if we do that the number of jobs available will fall, and it could well be we are reaching that point. As others have said the NI increases on business further increase the cost of employing people.
I'm not convinced Labour are close enough to (or listen enough to) business, hence they get into this mess.
But their constant U-turns are infuriating. They can't go on like this. |  | | |
| Another U-turn incoming on 14:24 - Feb 18 with 1002 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
It's a delay, not a reversal. |  |
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| Another U-turn incoming on 14:31 - Feb 18 with 947 views | jasondozzell |
| Another U-turn incoming on 14:21 - Feb 18 by MattinLondon |
Utter bollox. That’s like saying Corbyn delivered a May government and sealed the deal for the right of the Tory party to consolidate its power. Bringing in Boris and the country sliding further and further down.
Hope you’re proud of yourself…..something about owning it. |
Corbyn derangement syndrome. He's not been leader for 6 years. | | | |
| Another U-turn incoming on 14:33 - Feb 18 with 936 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Another U-turn incoming on 13:28 - Feb 18 by MattinLondon |
Businesses will always complain about added workers rights. From not being allowed to employ kids, having to pay women the same, the minimum wage and now this.
I’m sure that businesses do have legitimate concerns regarding escalating costs such as electricity etc etc etc. But as you say, if employers can’t afford to pay a decent wage then they shouldn’t be in business. |
It feels like we’re in a race to the bottom. The minimum wage is not much at all, and yes if companies can’t afford it they’ve got bigger problems than a rise in the minimum wage.
Minimum wage is about £25k, which is about £21.5k take home
Average mortgage/rent £15k
Average energy bill £1,750
Average household goods bill £5k+
Already the sums have stopped adding up. |  |
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| Another U-turn incoming on 14:39 - Feb 18 with 916 views | MattinLondon |
| Another U-turn incoming on 14:31 - Feb 18 by jasondozzell |
Corbyn derangement syndrome. He's not been leader for 6 years. |
Bollox. | | | |
| Another U-turn incoming on 14:40 - Feb 18 with 915 views | DarkBrandon |
| Another U-turn incoming on 14:33 - Feb 18 by Swansea_Blue |
It feels like we’re in a race to the bottom. The minimum wage is not much at all, and yes if companies can’t afford it they’ve got bigger problems than a rise in the minimum wage.
Minimum wage is about £25k, which is about £21.5k take home
Average mortgage/rent £15k
Average energy bill £1,750
Average household goods bill £5k+
Already the sums have stopped adding up. |
Yup. There is no good solution.
Apart from building a time machine, and then going back and building more electricity generation capacity and housing.
I do have sympathy for companies struggling with labour costs though. They could easily have been operating comfortably 5-10 years ago, but really struggling now. And at the margins that could be what is causing the rise in youth unemployment.
Do you want higher wages for those young people in work? Or more work (perhaps even more important in the age of AI)? | | | |
| Another U-turn incoming on 14:42 - Feb 18 with 910 views | DarkBrandon |
| Another U-turn incoming on 14:39 - Feb 18 by MattinLondon |
Bollox. |
It is true. He stopped being leader in 2020. | | | |
| Another U-turn incoming on 14:49 - Feb 18 with 875 views | MattinLondon |
| Another U-turn incoming on 14:33 - Feb 18 by Swansea_Blue |
It feels like we’re in a race to the bottom. The minimum wage is not much at all, and yes if companies can’t afford it they’ve got bigger problems than a rise in the minimum wage.
Minimum wage is about £25k, which is about £21.5k take home
Average mortgage/rent £15k
Average energy bill £1,750
Average household goods bill £5k+
Already the sums have stopped adding up. |
The average single person cannot afford a house - that aspiration has been taken away from them by successive governments. It’s a real struggle even for a couple to afford to get on the housing ladder.
Young people in particular have little hope - once upon a time it was a case of working hard, save up and buying a house was a real possibility. Now it’s work hard, pay the rent to some landlord and maybe they’ll keep that house to a good condition and then pay the bills and then go further into your overdraft. It’s utter bollox.
And then, they’ll be the ones paying for an ageing population, the NHS and for Brexit and all for much lower wages than then previous generations (in proportion to outgoings).
If young people just simply said ‘screw this country, I’m off’ I wouldn’t blame them in the least. | | | |
| Another U-turn incoming on 15:05 - Feb 18 with 810 views | MattinLondon |
| Another U-turn incoming on 14:42 - Feb 18 by DarkBrandon |
It is true. He stopped being leader in 2020. |
But his failed legacy continued with his loser fanboys enabling to keep the Tories in power. He was an utter loser. | | | |
| Another U-turn incoming on 15:15 - Feb 18 with 789 views | DJR |
| Another U-turn incoming on 14:49 - Feb 18 by MattinLondon |
The average single person cannot afford a house - that aspiration has been taken away from them by successive governments. It’s a real struggle even for a couple to afford to get on the housing ladder.
Young people in particular have little hope - once upon a time it was a case of working hard, save up and buying a house was a real possibility. Now it’s work hard, pay the rent to some landlord and maybe they’ll keep that house to a good condition and then pay the bills and then go further into your overdraft. It’s utter bollox.
And then, they’ll be the ones paying for an ageing population, the NHS and for Brexit and all for much lower wages than then previous generations (in proportion to outgoings).
If young people just simply said ‘screw this country, I’m off’ I wouldn’t blame them in the least. |
I know you don't like Corbyn but I campaigned on the streets during the 2017 election and, with Corbyn during an election campaign given a fair platform in the broadcast media, there was a very noticeable shift to him over the campaign from people under, say, 45 whom I spoke to and who felt the system wasn't working for them.
And in the case of such people, it was nothing to do with Brexit or how badly May performed.
With the move away from social democracy (which both the Tories and Labour once supported), the system hasn't really worked for an increasingly large number of people these last 45 years and long gone is the sort of corporate paternalism that used to exist where the bottom line wasn't the shareholders.
Corbyn was flawed but there was something there that could have been built on. Indeed, it looked like Starmer could be that man given the platform he stood on to be leader.
But sadly it was a con and the baby was thrown out with the bathwater.
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| Another U-turn incoming on 15:20 - Feb 18 with 755 views | jasondozzell |
| Another U-turn incoming on 15:05 - Feb 18 by MattinLondon |
But his failed legacy continued with his loser fanboys enabling to keep the Tories in power. He was an utter loser. |
Astonishing stuff. It feels as if the libs and centrists are having a collective breakdown as their worldview collapses in front of their eyes. Maitlis and Sopel on the News Agents frowning as they can't understand why the left has abandoned Starmer, shrugging their shoulders and opening and closing their mouths like goldfish. | | | |
| Another U-turn incoming on 15:27 - Feb 18 with 717 views | MattinLondon |
| Another U-turn incoming on 15:15 - Feb 18 by DJR |
I know you don't like Corbyn but I campaigned on the streets during the 2017 election and, with Corbyn during an election campaign given a fair platform in the broadcast media, there was a very noticeable shift to him over the campaign from people under, say, 45 whom I spoke to and who felt the system wasn't working for them.
And in the case of such people, it was nothing to do with Brexit or how badly May performed.
With the move away from social democracy (which both the Tories and Labour once supported), the system hasn't really worked for an increasingly large number of people these last 45 years and long gone is the sort of corporate paternalism that used to exist where the bottom line wasn't the shareholders.
Corbyn was flawed but there was something there that could have been built on. Indeed, it looked like Starmer could be that man given the platform he stood on to be leader.
But sadly it was a con and the baby was thrown out with the bathwater.
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Thanks for your post.
I didn’t particularly warm to Corbyn - I tried to, but just couldn’t.
Being fair to Corbyn he was up against it from the start but the people who elected him as leader should’ve known that he wasn’t someone to lead the country. Yes he did much better than expected but I could never understand some being happy that he did better than expected. He lost, full stop. | | | |
| Another U-turn incoming on 15:33 - Feb 18 with 703 views | DJR |
| Another U-turn incoming on 15:27 - Feb 18 by MattinLondon |
Thanks for your post.
I didn’t particularly warm to Corbyn - I tried to, but just couldn’t.
Being fair to Corbyn he was up against it from the start but the people who elected him as leader should’ve known that he wasn’t someone to lead the country. Yes he did much better than expected but I could never understand some being happy that he did better than expected. He lost, full stop. |
And of course there were many, especially in the Parliamentary party, who were upset Corbyn did as well as did, despite the fact they managed to divert resources away from winnable seats.
And following the election, there was an awfully lot of underhand things that were done by people in the Labour party to make sure Corbyn's reputation was sullied and that he didn't win in 2019.
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse
And of course a leader with a large number of its own MPs not prepared to play ball was never likely to win an election anyway. [Post edited 18 Feb 15:44]
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| Another U-turn incoming on 15:51 - Feb 18 with 649 views | DarkBrandon |
| Another U-turn incoming on 15:33 - Feb 18 by DJR |
And of course there were many, especially in the Parliamentary party, who were upset Corbyn did as well as did, despite the fact they managed to divert resources away from winnable seats.
And following the election, there was an awfully lot of underhand things that were done by people in the Labour party to make sure Corbyn's reputation was sullied and that he didn't win in 2019.
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse
And of course a leader with a large number of its own MPs not prepared to play ball was never likely to win an election anyway. [Post edited 18 Feb 15:44]
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Didn't encourage him to stand down when he had clearly lost the support of the PLP, did it? | | | |
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